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October 5, 2011 11:12:14 AM

Decided to build my own pc, after waiting for all components, Ive now, well from 6am this morning, decided to bench test & it aint bloody working

Asus Cross Hair IV Formula Mobo
Phenom II X6 1090T CPU
HD6950 GPU
2x2GB G Skillz F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL DDR3 1600 CL 9-9-9-24 1.5v RAM (all info due to problem)
Corsair TX850 V2 850W PSU
Coolermaster 212 Plus HSF

Upon wiring up outside case this morning, I turned on the power for the 1st time, lights lit up, oooh, excitement I thought until I pushed the start key

1 quick red LED lit on the CPU LED on mobo, then the red LED on the DRAM lit up & stayed on permanent, the HSF did 1 rotation & stopped, fan on gpu spinning no probs

If I put hsf connection onto any other fan header, it works just fine

Ive searched for hours trying to find a problem, they all seem to be a bit different & none of the remedies seem to fix mine

ie

Ive removed HSF & CPU blown it, inspected it, whispered & prayed to it put it back, same problem

Ive CMOS'ed it with & without cell battery in, same problem

Ive tried 1 stick or RAM in every slot, Ive tried 2 sticks in every slot, nothing, nada zilch, same problem

Short of crying my eyes out, can any1 please help

I am tired & stressed, gonna walk the dog for 30 mins, hopefully I'll calm down & return to someone trying to help me, please

Lee

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October 5, 2011 11:42:53 AM

Tried reseating the cpu, check for bent pins etc?

Sounds like CPU form the info. (Memory controller is on chip, so Ram won't go anywhere also)

No easy way to check a cpu (and I'm not familiar with AMD kit), got any friends with a am3/+ m/b to test?
a b } Memory
October 5, 2011 11:47:50 AM

You have ALL the power plugs in? You did use standoffs?
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October 5, 2011 1:46:00 PM

Hi, back from my walk, longer coz I went to the pub, man Im still stressed

Answers to above

Yes, all power cables in correctly, 2 x 6pin PCI-E to gpu, 1 x 8 pin & 1 x 24 pin to mobo

No standoffs as not in case yet, this is a bench test

Yes, read that instruction link b4 originally posted, all present & correct

AMD, yes, I know boo hoo

Helppppppppppppppppppp
October 5, 2011 1:59:06 PM

just cry let it out then smash the thing up, BOOM, no more sad feeling
October 5, 2011 2:00:32 PM

thats a help, thanks, maybe u should drop the "h" ;) 
October 5, 2011 2:00:39 PM

jtr1888 said:
Decided to build my own pc, after waiting for all components, Ive now, well from 6am this morning, decided to bench test & it aint bloody working

Asus Cross Hair IV Formula Mobo
Phenom II X6 1090T CPU
HD6950 GPU
2x2GB G Skillz F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL DDR3 1600 CL 9-9-9-24 1.5v RAM (all info due to problem)
Corsair TX850 V2 850W PSU
Coolermaster 212 Plus HSF

Upon wiring up outside case this morning, I turned on the power for the 1st time, lights lit up, oooh, excitement I thought until I pushed the start key

1 quick red LED lit on the CPU LED on mobo, then the red LED on the DRAM lit up & stayed on permanent, the HSF did 1 rotation & stopped, fan on gpu spinning no probs

If I put hsf connection onto any other fan header, it works just fine

Ive searched for hours trying to find a problem, they all seem to be a bit different & none of the remedies seem to fix mine

ie

Ive removed HSF & CPU blown it, inspected it, whispered & prayed to it put it back, same problem

Ive CMOS'ed it with & without cell battery in, same problem

Ive tried 1 stick or RAM in every slot, Ive tried 2 sticks in every slot, nothing, nada zilch, same problem

Short of crying my eyes out, can any1 please help

I am tired & stressed, gonna walk the dog for 30 mins, hopefully I'll calm down & return to someone trying to help me, please

Lee


This isnt one of those probs where you need to update the bios before using that cpu is it
October 5, 2011 2:01:22 PM

jtr1888 said:
thats a help, thanks, maybe u should drop the "h" ;) 


yes dicks, quite.....
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 2:02:47 PM

Try the stock HSF, and the F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL aren't meant for the AMD. Pull, if connected, all of the headers (USB, Audio, Front Panel).

Often a problem with the CM 212+ is Metal <=> MOBO contact and the MOBO's is shorted; I always use thin plastic washers to insulated. Example:

Screw -> | Backplate | Plastic Washer | [MOBO] | Plastic Washer | Standoff...
October 5, 2011 2:03:08 PM

lol, dont know re bios bud, will ROG work on a bench test hmmm
October 5, 2011 2:05:09 PM

jaquith said:
Try the stock HSF, and the F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL aren't meant for the AMD. Pull, if connected, all of the headers (USB, Audio, Front Panel).

Often a problem with the CM 212+ is Metal <=> MOBO contact and the MOBO's is shorted; I always use thin plastic washers to insulated. Example:

Screw -> | Backplate | Plastic Washer | [MOBO] | Plastic Washer | Standoff...


ok, thats a thought, I'll try stock CPU although Ive not connected ay headers other than the hsf as its not in case

thanks, its worth a go
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 2:08:30 PM

If the Stock HSF works then you'll know - Good Luck! :) 
October 5, 2011 2:28:30 PM

jaquith said:
If the Stock HSF works then you'll know - Good Luck! :) 


well I got a little further, the stock hsf rotates but still no beep from speaker & still no video & still solid red LED on DRAM

could this be memory then, ie wrong type?
October 5, 2011 2:35:59 PM

Quote:
Just got an idea. Some motherboards will refuse to run if the fan at the rear of the case is not plugged in to the pins specifically allocated for it. Bust open your motherboard manual and take a look to see if this is the case.


wow you learn something everyday
October 5, 2011 2:36:37 PM

have u tried the ram in different stock and with just one stick, some mobos refuse to run with sum makes of ram. i had one that hated OCZ then i put corsair in n it worked
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 3:00:38 PM

/You can indeed run the MOBO outside its case/

Try the 2nd PCIe slot for the GPU. The (2) red LED's concern me CPU/DRAM. Try the MemOK with (1) stick of RAM in various DIMM slots; any should work according the manual. Upon powering up press the 'Go Button' as shown on page 2-42.

Switches, make certain they're all off and XXO - Clear CMOS is in its Default position.

Often people assume they Cleared CMOS but didn't do it correctly; see -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHH9KrceR0


October 5, 2011 3:28:48 PM

Firstly I only have 2 stick ddr2 both new & the same

With regards to cmos, yes, I did do i right, well I didnt turn the battery but I have now & still nothing

When pressimg go button, I still get single DRAM LED then it stops, cpu led flashes twice as if rebooting & then solid DRAM again, does this about 4 times then just solid DRAM

Tried this with 1 stick at a time in all 4 slots, still nothing
October 5, 2011 3:31:28 PM

Obviously mean DDR3, sorry ;) 
October 5, 2011 3:34:06 PM

oh, tried card in all 4 slots too, no difference.

With regards to the switches xxo, presume when they are up & white theyre off & when down & red theyre on, if so, theyre off, if not, theyre on lol
a b } Memory
October 5, 2011 3:35:59 PM

Have another PSU you can test with? I'm still thinking its a bad board or bad power. (Or Bios doesn't support that CPU, but it should.)
October 5, 2011 3:43:21 PM

Only other PSU I have wouldnt be enought to power the card as its only a 300w one.

Is it worth linking the power unit to the pc Im on now, Q6600 Quad Core 2.4GHz 3GB DDR2 Win Vista 32 with HD2600XT GPU ??

October 5, 2011 3:44:12 PM

or shall I take out 2600XT put in IV Formula & use 300w psu ? my god, Im in for some fun 2nite lol
Anonymous
October 5, 2011 3:45:40 PM

I had the same problem...........my mobo was'nt grounded properly. :/ 
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 3:47:29 PM

I'd try the simplest first, the 2600XT.

I tend to agree with @4745454b regarding the MOBO, but the only way to know 100% is to replace the 'parts' with know good ones. The 300W should be plenty for testing.
October 5, 2011 3:48:22 PM

My experience with this situation is that if it fires once and turns itself off, the mobo is spent. could be a dead short on the board itself or something else. If you have another box try testing some of the obvious pieces on that. Otherwise I recommend you RMA the board. I would like to be wrong here. I have been down this road. It happends. Best of luck
October 5, 2011 3:49:32 PM

ok, I really appreciate you help, going offline now so I can dismantle this beast & try some more tests

Thanks again, be back asap
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 3:50:18 PM

Anonymous said:
I had the same problem...........my mobo was'nt grounded properly. :/ 

I have a bench, bench build everything 1st, and the PSU IF grounded is enough. Remember the power to the MOBO/components is DC.
October 5, 2011 4:20:52 PM

ok, a few test and grazed knuckles, managed to wire my 300w psu to IV with 2600XT, same red led on DRAM. Managed to wire my TX850 to this mobo etc.., booted just fine

so, I think we can say the PSU is ok, back to either the mobo or is the RAM still a possible fault or should my type still be ok & unlikely that both sticks are faulty eh?
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 4:37:33 PM

Statistically, have (2) bad sticks is <1% (very rare). Then it comes down to CPU vs MOBO, and statistically it's 80% MOBO and 20% CPU. The only way to know 100% is to replace the CPU or get a really cheap or borrow a supported CPU. The AMD Sempron 145 is $40 USD.

IMO - pull the CPU and look carefully for bent/damaged CPU/Socket pins. Otherwise RMA the MOBO.

BTW - Disconnect the HDD/SSD/ODD(DVD) and everything attached including the Keyboard/mouse...I've seen a bad mouse cause a Post Failure.
October 5, 2011 4:41:15 PM

ok, thanks for all your help, gonna inspect & kick back with a beer, tomorrow brings new ram lol if it fails, its going back

Thanks again, excellent people here
October 5, 2011 5:07:27 PM

At this point, I am willing to bet the MOBO is bad. I have never had a bad ground on a mother board if it is anchored correctly with the stands and screws given to you in the case, you are set. In fact back before they build PSUs with more safety features, the guy used to work for used make me black tape the holes on the board. Theoretically the board should only being making contact with the case at the IO shield, but I stopped doing that a couple of years back and haven't lost a board yet, not doing it so, no loss their. Order another board, and move on to the nights of fragging. Good luck man.
October 5, 2011 5:11:25 PM

only things connected to mobo are bare boot items, cpu, ksf, ram & gpu, no mouse etc..
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 5:22:39 PM

Then MOBO or CPU and review what I said above.

Regarding the Building and 'grounding' concerns. If your PSU is indeed plugged-in to a 3-wire with a grounded receptacle then in fact the grounding is fine.

See this 'How to Build' series from Newegg, scrub through to ~14 minutes:

October 5, 2011 5:54:15 PM

Thanks, I actually saw that vid b4, pretty good. Yes, my cable does have earth in it as Im in the UK, grounding not a prob but I did discharge myself just n case, Im really hoping its the ram, dont want to be sending it all back, really gutted about it in truth, almost devestaed, still, these things happen eh
October 5, 2011 6:05:06 PM

I have a Crosshair IV (wife's rig) and V (mine). I made the mistake of not connecting the 8-pin power after the 24-pin on the V. Booted up just fine. You say you did that however. Can you take pics of the mobo with all the pretty naughty lights so we can troubleshoot it easier?
a b } Memory
October 5, 2011 6:05:32 PM

I have not seen where you listed the beep codes you are getting, if you have sorry I missed it somewhere, but trouble shooting a no-start board starts out with the beep codes first thing. If you are getting no beep codes, the board is very likely bad. It happens. In 17+ years of building my own and for friends on occasion, I have seen a dozen boards bad right out of the box.
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 6:07:53 PM

This will make you feel much better, one of my first posts here. Imagine building (10) rigs, install them in the office (Apps + Data), then rebuilding (reformatting/replacing MOBO/assembly line) them ALL overnight! Testing revealed nothing and the problems started days later...after the work was done. :( 

See -> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/276715-30-x58a-ud3r-r...
October 5, 2011 6:12:32 PM

yup, thats bad

No, no beeps at all, not a single sound

Pics, erm, just dismantled, I will re-assemble & video it ;) 
a b } Memory
October 5, 2011 6:14:22 PM

You had the little tiny speaker attached? Sorry, just checking.......
October 5, 2011 6:16:30 PM

yes, speaker in too
October 5, 2011 8:03:12 PM

tried that bud thanks, still no post :( 
October 5, 2011 8:29:24 PM

hi not sure will help but just came across ur board on another forum and the guy tightened cpu heatsink to tight he didnt think so but all he had to to to get it to work was lossen up the heatsink on cpu so might wanna check that he put together new system and no beeps either but might be memory just in case it isnt try it
October 5, 2011 8:30:51 PM

funny enough, just thinking of tht myself, however, since now stock fan, its a clamp & I have no tension adjustment
a c 347 } Memory
October 5, 2011 9:59:02 PM

I assume the HSF (stock) is installed properly, I assume 'everything' is installed properly. Sure If something isn't seated then sure -- you name it -- 'it' will fail.
October 5, 2011 10:13:22 PM

Honestly believe that 100% everything is fitted correctly, HSF sits & clmps nice & tight, all other stuff, ram, gpu cpu power etc all click or slot in just nice. Ive given up for tonight, hopefully tester Ram 2morro & that will either mean me returning my ram or the board
October 6, 2011 9:28:17 AM

Good mornign (evening or afternoon depending on where u are lol) vid I did last night was a bit sketchy, so Ive done another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLdhN_h_5e0 not sure how u embed it :( 

Pllease tell me if Ive done something wrong so as I can remedy, thanks

!