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November 8, 2010 7:23:52 PM

not a $4,000 beast mind you anyone could do that my buget is around the $1,500 Flavor and i

needs some input from you pros :) 

i am building a new computer, ive never done this before (newb) but so far i have figured out most

of what i would like to see in it based on my own research. Please let me know what you think as im

not even sure how compatible all these things are with eachother. help me build the monster guys :) 



i need some input from all you experienced builders out there how this would look?



1. Case (antec 900 two)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. Mother board (MSI Big Bang Fuzion LGA 1156 Intel

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3. Graphics Card (Nvidia GTX 460 SS 1GB evga)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. Memory RAM ( Corsair XMS3 6GB ddr3 1600) 7 cas

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5. Power supply Corsair AX850 850W

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. HDD Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black 7200 RPM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7. drives dont matter to me yet but i may get a blu ray.

8. Processor/CPU Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...







Approximate Purchase Date:
(This Month or Next)

Budget Range:
around 1,500 Before / After Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important:

GAMING!! , watching movies, surfing the internet

Parts Not Required: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS) **Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using**

um this is seperate in my buget however i am in need of a good monitor looking for LED with high resolution.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
newegg.com, Amazon.com and Frys basically anywhere with best deals)

Country of Origin:
i am in the US

Parts Preferences: by brand or type
i would like to use Intel Corsair and Nvidia based products i am open to Radeon though
And i want to fit everything in a great mid tower case.

Overclocking: Yes / No / Maybe

i dont want to overclock it myself really as i am not experienced but i would buy a pre overclocked graphic card

SLI or Crossfire: Yes / No / Maybe

YES i am particularly interested in SLI of the geforce GTX460

Monitor Resolution:

the more the better, but at least 1080


Additional Comments:

i would like a quite PC and if possible a elegant or cool looking case. this computer has to run crisis on ultra :D 

and i believe that is all maybe i forgot somthing but please let me tell me your opinions and i will consider them. Build me a Monster Guys! :D 

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November 8, 2010 7:31:51 PM

1. Read my Sig.

2. 850W is overkill get a 750W and save some $

3.ew an unOCed i5 :p 

I'm going to post my build.. use it if you want. Its AMD tho, but I believe you would get much better gameplay out of it (just look at the GPU's I fit into this build.)




AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE 3.2Ghz - $153 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=phenom_II_x4_955-_-19-103-808-_-Product

GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H - $135 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435&Tpk=Gigabyte%u2019s%20GA-890GPA-UD3H

Haf 922 Blue Edition - $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119224&cm_re=haf_922-_-11-119-224-_-Product

Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 - $240 x 2 = $480 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102909&cm_re=radeon_6870-_-14-102-909-_-Product

Corsair Professional Series AX750 - $170 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139016

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

OCZ Agility 2 3.5" SSD 90GB - $180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227604


G.Skill Ripjaw DDR3 1333 C8 - $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231275&cm_re=g.skill_ddr3_1333-_-20-231-275-_-Product


Lite on dvd burner/reader - $17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=3463938&SID=

Spire TherMax Eclipse II Cooler - $55 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11423/cpu-spi-28/Spire_TherMax_Eclipse_II_Five_DT_Heatpipe_Universal_CPU_Cooler_SP984B1-V2_-_Sockets_775_1156_1366_939_AM2_AM2_AM3.html?tl=g40

Shin-Etsu - $5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080&cm_re=shin-etsu-_-35-150-080-_-Product

Windows 7 64 bit Home Edition - $99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7-_-32-116-754-_-Product
=$1539 (prices are give and take a few $ because I composed this 2 weeks ago)
has a SSD, 2 GPU's, CPU Cooler, OS (not sure if you need OS or not?)

Monitor Option 23" 1080p http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059
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November 8, 2010 7:38:57 PM

Your build looks pretty nice, BUT, it won't work. You'll need to change your motherboard or CPU. Either switch for an i7 875k / i5 760, or else switch your motherboard to a socket 1366 (X58) motherboard.

Also, 850w is overkill even for SLI 460s. 650-700w is plenty if you'd like to save some cash...
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November 8, 2010 8:24:13 PM

thanks for the info on the Power supply guys. i originally decided on 850 after wanting 1000 and now i realize even thats to much power haha.

Also that motherboard is probably the only thing i cant change as i have already purchased it due to the price being a steal on ebay ($150 off!) :) 

so your saying the processor i chose is too powerful? or big? what would the difference between it and the i7 you listed?

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November 8, 2010 8:25:23 PM

@Vindictive

thanks for the build recommendation however since i already bought the motherboard i listed. im kinda stuck on intel : /
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November 8, 2010 8:39:45 PM

The processor that you listed will not fit into that motherboard.

Get an i5 760 instead and put the money into your graphics card.
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November 8, 2010 8:44:12 PM

The motherboard you already have has a 1156 socket. Just make sure your processor has that same socket, and is not a 1366.

The i5 760 is a good choice, and if in the future you do want to OC, it's also great for that.
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November 8, 2010 8:48:30 PM

after checking it out i see what you mean. and here i thought i bought an elite mother board haha.

i noticed that the i5 seems to have faster speeds than the i7 (1156) does that mean the i5 is better? what is the trade off here?
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November 8, 2010 9:51:02 PM

You have a super sweet motherboard really, don't worry about that haha! I'd either go for an i5 760, or an i7 875k. The 875k will actually benchmark higher than the i7 950 anyway. I used to have one - it was pretty awesome, but sold it not too long ago!

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

In gaming, the i5 is quite a nice processor, especially for the price. The i7s will have a few more options on them that you won't notice most of the time or on most games, but will make a big difference in working with video files... benchmarking... etc.
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November 8, 2010 10:07:51 PM

jasonw223 said:
You have a super sweet motherboard really, don't worry about that haha! I'd either go for an i5 760, or an i7 875k. The 875k will actually benchmark higher than the i7 950 anyway. I used to have one - it was pretty awesome, but sold it not too long ago!

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

In gaming, the i5 is quite a nice processor, especially for the price. The i7s will have a few more options on them that you won't notice most of the time or on most games, but will make a big difference in working with video files... benchmarking... etc.



Thannks! that really helps a lot. i think i will go for that i7 875k since the higher speed on those i5s dont seem to make a difference by much according the the chart.

another question that i have is should i go for 2x4GB ram or 4x2GB ram (using dominators)

it looks like the less memory per stick makes latency higher but im not sure what to do
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November 8, 2010 10:14:37 PM

Just so you know, that Big Bang Fusion Doesn't use SLI. It uses the Hydra chip to allow for Multi GPU functionality and while it should work with two GTX460s, the results generally won't be as good as using SLI. Hydra is for making the most out of what you have and allowing you to mix nVidia and Radeon cards. The Fusion doesn't have plain ol SLI but the more expensive Trinergy does.

Anyway I say go with an i5 - 750 (overclock it of course) and two 6870s in CF. If you find a game where CF doesn't work well you can just try using Hydra instead :D . That's some pretty cool flexibility.
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November 8, 2010 10:24:13 PM

so wait, it supports Crossfire but not SLI? thats strange.

and why go with i5? i thought bench marks are much higher for i7 plus i could oc the i7.

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November 8, 2010 10:44:14 PM

the i5 OCs better then the i7 (the 875 model that is) and your gaming so the i5 is fine

anything the i7 has wont be taken use of in games (hyperthreading etc) so the i5 is more then enough

also u dont need more then 4gb of ram

so get 2x2gb of RAM if you REALLY wanna go nuts get 2x4gb not 4x2gb but 2x2gb is AMPLE anything more is a waste of cash

as for a PSU i recommend the XFX Black Editions (750w or 850w...i got the 850w cuz it was a good deal)

As for graphics card get a 6850 the 6870 is GREAT but the 6850 overclocks even better then the 6870 and crossfire scales amazingle in your budget id grab 2 of them.

also grab yourself a Hyper 212+ and grab an additional fan for it to setup push+pull

also swap your case for the HAF922 that antec is overpriced and junk
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November 8, 2010 10:49:57 PM

Don't worry about what he's saying about SLI. That board will run Hydra, SLI, or Crossfire. You have SLI.

Check out the comparison if you are doubting:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2010/01/0...

I'll explain the processor difference as well...

The i7 875k is a faster processor, and has an unlocked multiplier - meaning that is is easier and more convenient to overclock. You'll also have hyperthreading which will benefit you in some applications and benchmarks especially. It's a beautiful chip - I had mine up past 4.4ghz.

The i5 760 is probably more 'bang for your buck.' It's great for gaming, and will overclock quite well also.

Honestly, I'd suggest the i7, mostly since you already spent a fair bit on your motherboard. Might as well have high end everything.
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November 8, 2010 11:19:46 PM

@jasonnp12

maybe i will consider the i5 actually now that you mention it. those are good reasons.

why do you recomment XFX over corsair psu?

good idea about the hyper 212. what is the push plus pull?

im not sure about the case suggestion i have heard many good things about the antec 900 two case.
but i will look into the HAF922, cases have been really annoying for me i cant seem to find a perfect one.
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November 8, 2010 11:22:45 PM

jasonw223 said:


The i7 875k is a faster processor, and has an unlocked multiplier - meaning that is is easier and more convenient to overclock. You'll also have hyperthreading which will benefit you in some applications and benchmarks especially. It's a beautiful chip - I had mine up past 4.4ghz.

The i5 760 is probably more 'bang for your buck.' It's great for gaming, and will overclock quite well also.

Honestly, I'd suggest the i7, mostly since you already spent a fair bit on your motherboard. Might as well have high end everything.


well now im leaning towards the i5. what type of applications does the hyperthreading help with? and what does that mean.?
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November 9, 2010 12:11:04 AM

Well basically, the i5 has 4 cores, and 4 threads, meaning it can do four things at once essentially. The i7 has 4 cores, but 8 threads. It shows up to Windows as being an 8-core processor. It helps a fair bit in some applications, especially video work, benchmarking, encoding, etc. It DOES help in a lot of games. Check out some Left for Dead, or Starcraft 2 benchmarks for example.

And as for not overclocking as well as an i5 760, that's not true at all. The i7 has a higher stock clock, and an unlocked multiplier. I've had both processors, and used plenty in builds as well. If you want a high-end system, and a processor to match your quality of motherboard, the i7 is the way to go. If you want a budget oriented system, or are simply looking at price for performance, the i5 is the way to go.
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November 9, 2010 12:31:32 AM

for his needs the i7 is a waste of cash tbh he has zero need for hyperthreading....hel SC2 i have a AMD 965 BE which is even inferior to a i5 760 and i never dip under 50FPS with everything on Ultra.....

u dont need hyperthreading for gaming...however if you do coding/video work then yah.

or if you care about benchmark scores.

the XFX Power supply uses Seasonic guts pretty much one of the best power supply manufacturers out there (for sub 1000w units) and its also cheaper

both the XFX BLack 750W and the Corsair 750HX are both modular both GREAT quality both 80+ Silver however the XFX is cheaper hence a better buy. (check out the power supply section of the forum ull see both are ranked #1)

HAF 922 case is better then the Antec 900

the Hyper 212+ cooler is a great heatsink cooler and it comes with 1 FAN which is PUSHING air through the cooler cooling your CPU. Push+Pull means you pickup a 2nd fan which mounts on the other side of the Hyper 212+ and pulls air out of your CPU cooling it.

Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Extra fan for it (you wanna get the EXACT same fan that it comes with not a diff one as it works best if u have 2 identical fans)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then id recommend this splitter here as it will allow you to connect both your Hyper 212+ fans to the mobos CPU header allowing the MOBO to control fan speeds on both fans keeping them 100% in sink (I use this exact setup) if you dont get the splitter you will need to have both fans running at 100% all the time or a fan controller to sync them up
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 9, 2010 2:41:01 AM

Here are some benchmarks for you... I hate when people's opinions do all the talking...

http://www.techspot.com/review/305-starcraft2-performan...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

There is a reason the 875k is more expensive...

Either PSU is fine, and 750w is more than you'll need as well.
Push/Pull is nice, but not necessary. Go for it if you'd like!

HAF 922 is not better than the Antec 902. It's different, pick which one you like better. I'd pick the Antec 902 every time for myself, but some people do like the HAF look.

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November 9, 2010 3:31:29 AM

Though im still not sure. i may in fact go for the i7 875k due to the fact i am an engineering student and everyone keeps speaking of these programs that are high demanding in resources.

im not really sure what encoding is so i have no idea if id use it in the future but maybe i should play it safe then and go for a future proof cpu.

as for the power supply the corsair one i mentioned was actually gold not silver efficiency so im not sure if the XFX one comes that way.

both cases are nice and i always want to make sure there is a filter in the intake fan as there is a lot of dust in california.

im also wondering if i should go for 4GB RAM or 8GB Ram (both 1600 low latency)


i will look into the push pull. it sounds like a cool idea but probably after i buy the actual heat sink as i may not even need that much more cooling.


Thanks for the input guys its helping a lot.
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November 9, 2010 4:10:39 AM

Engineering stuff like SolidWorks / CAD / etc will be helped a lot from the i7. Encoding is like if you're ripping / encoding DVDs into movie files for your PC, working with audio files, etc.

For your PSU, really just go with the best deal you can find. Gold and silver are nice, but don't make too much of a difference in North America. Smarter to get a good price on a PSU and pay 10 cents more per month for your power bill.

Antec 902 = drastically better filters. The HAF is really open, dust goes in and out quite a bit.

4GB RAM is more than enough for gaming and most stuff, I'd just add in the extra 4GB later if you are doing a lot of SolidEdge / etc.
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November 19, 2010 5:03:23 AM

sorry i didnt get the notify until now.

what do you think about the Raven case? from silverstone
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