Motherboard advise - intel

[mobohobo]

hi, i have been considering options for a new build, and have everything but one thing though of, the cpu and motherboard, i was wondering if a mobo such as this:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p7h55-m-intel-h55-express-1156-pci-e-20-(x16)-ddr3-2200(oc)-sata-3gb-s-matx-onboard-vga

paired with an i3 would be just as good as an amd phenom ii x4 and same price range mobo. i was also wondering if the intel would be overall a more future proof solution, as the i7 apparently outdoes the phenom ii x6 by a mile, meaning a more futureproof system!

by the way, my budget for cpu and motherboard combined is £200 however i am in the uk, so use ebuyer.com or scan.co.uk preferably!

thanks!

 

[xvetox123]

All i3's are dual cores but all Phenom IIx4's are quad cores,but hardly any applications these days use more than 2 cores.So a phenom IIx4 should be more future proof if thats what you want.

 

[mobohobo]

i was thinking that i could upgrade the intel setup better, by getting an i5 or i7 quad later when i need it, it would far outdo the phenom (apparantly) and be more futureproof by the way, if i got an i3 3ghz processor, would i see a mojor difference compared to the 3.2ghz model?

 

[kureme]

You get more bang for your buck with the Phenom. You get 4 real cores and an unlocked multiplier which not only futureproofs it but also allows it to match the performance of the i5-760.

AMD 955 £108.38
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/190673
Gigabyte GA-880GA-UD3H 880GA £79.92
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/218921

 

[mobohobo]

hmm, i was thinking of doing this, but what restrained me is that i looked around, and reccomendations of intel over amd were lots, with people saying an 15-760 could outdo a phenom x6 etc, and intel are "apparantly" more stable when overclocking, etc, could somebody put an end to what people have said i have NO clue :S

 

[kureme]

What's the point of wasting £90 on an i3 when you're going to end up upgrading to the i5/i7 for £150-£200. Might as well shell out the clams and get the i5 instead if throwing your money away.

If you're spending over twice the amount of the AMD x4 CPUs, any benefits the i5 had would be negated. Plus you would have a £90 paperweight to brag about after the upgrade.

 

[kureme]

Let me explain. No doubt Intel chips are far superior than the AMD chips. What AMD has going for them though is that they offer much better chips at the same price point of the Intel chips. In short, AMD is more affordable.

For the cost of the i3, you can get an Athlon II x4/Phenom II x3. For gaming the i5-760 is about as good as it gets. Not much improvements with i7 or hex core AMD. Where they shine is in productivity. The six core AMD just about matches the preformance of the i7 at a much lower price point.

Both sides are excellent overclockers and neither is "more stable" than the other. That is mainly dependent on the motherboard.

 

[mobohobo]

ok, so your baisically saying get the phenom x4 ok, anyone suggest a crossfire mobo prefeably asus for like up to 60-70?

 

[mobohobo]

like this:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-m4a88td-v-evo-usb3-amd-880g-s-am3-pci-e-20-(x16)-ddr3-2000(oc)-sata-6gb-s-sata-raid-atx

any good?

 

[kureme]

Just saying at your budget the AMD would be more bang for your buck.

Here's a CF mobo.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172846

 

[mobohobo]

thats the one i picked out now, this is the final list, if anything is wrong(not as good for price etc , correct me!

1x amd phenom II x4 3.2ghz cpu : 110
2x Kingston 2GB DDR3 1600MHz HyperX Memory ram : 48
1x 1GB XFX HD 5770, PCI-E 2.1, 4800MHz GDDR5 graphics : 109
1x Asus M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AMD 880G mobo : 77
1x antec three hundred case : 48
3x Coolermaster 120x120x25mm SickleFlow Green LED Case Fans : 15
1x Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro cpu cooler : 15
1x Storm Silent LPJ19-25 500W power supply : 16
1x Arctic Silver 5 Thermal paste thermal cpu paste : 5
1x @ amazon Grounding wristband : 5
hd : got
wireless thingy : got


Total Price : 410

 

[mobohobo]

yeah, gonna overclock to about 3.8-3.9, anybody reccomend a decent cooler?
(under £30

 

[mobohobo]

doesnt that come with the cpu though? will the temp be ok with the stock?

 

[mobohobo]

cool!, i think this is my build, should be built a little bit after christmas!

 

[mobohobo]

i bet your intel build rapes your amd one xD

 

[mobohobo]

:O nice, when does intel have its moments??

 

[mobohobo]

hehe, im getting my graphics card a month or 2 after i build pc, comes with a built in ati radeon rubbish thing, but can crossfire or hybrid crossfire when i get it

 

[mobohobo]

does a decent psu increse performance, is it worth the extra outlay?

 

[kureme]

The PSU does not increase performance but the quality models provide more safety and preventative features that limit the damage to only the PSU in the case of a failure. 80 plus certified models are more efficient than ones that aren't and in the long run will pay for itself with the amount of energy you save.

A cheapo PSU can destroy your PC when it fails. I'd say it's worth the extra bucks for a quality model and they're the only types I recommend. Stick with Corsair, Antec and Seasonic for sure things. Other types can be hit or miss so it's not realyl worth the gamble.

 

[mobohobo]

ok, thats a bummer, an extra 40 down the pan :s

 

[mobohobo]

i was wondering, do you think a cheap 600w psu for £18 would last 6-8 months withought destroying my computer, then i can afford a corsair

 

[kureme]

You don't really need the extra case fans, arctic silver, or the grounding wristband. That's 25 saved you could put towards the corsair plus whatever you would have paid for the cheapo PSU.

You can always add in case fans later and reapply thermal paste if you don't think your temps are as low as you would like. Static is overrated and not usualy an issue. Just make sure you touch the metal part of your case while its plugged in before anything else if you're that worried.

 

[reaper2794]

Way to recommend crappy parts to this guy everyone!

Get a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ for a cooler...

 

[mobohobo]

ok thanks guys, i was also considering whether to get crossfire 5770's or get a 6850 then crossfire later? what would be the best option..?

ps, i then would have about 52 for the corsair, i can afford it ! and i can get the thermal paste and 1 fan for front of antec 300

 

[mobohobo]

and for graphics card either crossfire these:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-asus-hd-5770-cucore-pci-e-21-(x16)-4800mhz-gddr5-gpu-850mhz-800cores-plus-battlefield-coupon

or one of these:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-sapphire-hd-6870-4200mhz-gddr5-gpu-900mhz-1120-stream-processors-dl-dvi-i-dvi-d-hdmi-mdp


dunno what to go for, i guess i have upgradable crossfire ability for 6870, but hey you tell me whats better