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November 10, 2010 7:05:39 PM

I am putting together a build for my parents. I've finally talked them into letting me build a pc as apposed to buying from the Sunday ads. I will use their existing mouse, keyboard & monitor. This will not be a gaming pc, but I do want to build for longevity. I'm hoping they can get a good 6-8 years out of it, barring any part failure. I would like to stay in the $400-$500 budget range. I really don't want a mobo with an integrated video card, but if somebody can talk me into it, I will listen. I've attached the list I've put together and am looking forward to the opinions of others on this board. Are there components I can swap out to save money and keep the performance I'm looking for? Are there components I can change even for additional cost that would significantly increase performance? I have a new case in the basement I will use for this build. I also have a brand new Thermaltake W0093 power supply that I purchased a few years back. Can I use this for this build? Here is a link to the power supply:


I appreciate any and all comments, and actually look forward to reading the comments. Thanks in advance to everybody who responds. Much appreciated.



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ASRock H55M-LE LGA 1156 Intel H55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813157190
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $61.99
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XFX HD-567X-YNF3 Radeon HD 5670 512MB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card with Eyefinity
Item #: N82E16814150504
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy $10.00 Mail-in Rebate
$89.99
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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-2GBRH
Item #: N82E16820231343
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy $64.99
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Intel Core i5-650 Clarkdale 3.2GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80616I5650
Item #: N82E16819115220
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy $179.99
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Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148433
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$15.00 Instant $69.99
$54.99
November 10, 2010 8:29:15 PM

Looks like a pretty good build if you ask me...
Prices about about right and it should last them many years.

Simple low cost MB - Good choice
Reasonable graphics card can handle plenty (minus gaming) - Good choice
4GB 1600MHz G SKILL - Good choice
Basic 7200 RPM 1TB drive - Good choice

I guess my only thoughts about your build is that you are hoping that it lasts a long time. Which means you might be better off with:
8 GB of GSKILL RAM - That much ram will allow for added longevity
I would go with a quad core CPU - WHY? Longevity
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=I5-760BOX&src=...

If you go with 8GB of ram and a Quad Core i5 CPU you are more likely to get that computer to last in a sense that in 6 years it won't be completely obsolete. It would be just old but still usable. At some point within those 6 years or so SSD drives will become cheap and by compairision all other computers that DO have them will seem VERY fast. I would say in 3 or 4 years look at adding an SSD drive to that PC to add more life to an aging machine.

Obviously my suggestions only come into play if you can fit them into your budget. If not you can just start them out with the Quad core CPU (it's only $15 more) and add in more RAM in the future (make sure it's the exact same brand, type, speed).
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November 10, 2010 11:00:00 PM

Thanks for the input dark_lord. What do you think about the power supply. I'm going to be footing the bill for the build so I want to stay around $400. I parted this build on newegg. Are there any other sites I should consider when purchasing. Again, thanks for the knowledge. Its immensily appreciated.
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November 10, 2010 11:03:31 PM

That power supply should do the trick
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November 11, 2010 11:24:50 AM

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This will not be a gaming pc, but I do want to build for longevity. I'm hoping they can get a good 6-8 years out of it, barring any part failure.


Not only overkill - outdated double quick time @@


LGA 1156 shall be usurped by LGA 1155 as soon as end of this year/possible Q1 next year if u intending to sink a wee bit on chip + board FYI.. with no backwards/forwards compatibility
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/04/21/intel-...

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November 11, 2010 11:37:43 AM

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I also have a brand new Thermaltake W0093 power supply that I purchased a few years back. Can I use this for this build?


Upon reflection i would be careful with your PSU (Thermaltake TR2 series/platform): i would suggest upgrading PSU immediately if u plan on running a discrete GPU
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermaltake-Pure...
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Conclusions

The main problem with this power supply is that it can’t deliver its labeled power.
You could buy it as if it were a 350 W unit, but when we pulled 355 W from this power supply noise level was touching the maximum admissible limit and efficiency was at 69.6%. With other load patterns the maximum efficiency we saw was 76.9%.

Our conclusion is pretty simple: don’t buy this power supply.

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November 11, 2010 7:31:56 PM

Thanks for the response batuchka...I hate to not use the power supply, and it is a 500W, ATX 2.0, brand new in the box. I think a little different than the review you posted. For the most part, this system is going to be used to surf the net, email, MS office, facebook, etc... The only reason I choose an onboard GPU is for performance reasons down the road. I realize each component adds to the overall effeciency, but I figured having a decent GPU will help efficiency in the long run, even if it's just surfing the net 4-6 years from now. I'm really trying to balance the components to stay in the $400 range while making the computer the most efficient. Will I actually see an increase in speed by going to a quad core over a dual core for what they are using it for? The quad core mentioned above has a slower clock cycle for $15 more. Will I lose speed with a slower quad core, versus a faster dual core for what they will be using it for? Thanks again for everybody's insight.
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November 12, 2010 2:02:45 AM

The fact is if u read Toms monthly "Best Gaming CPU for the Money" articles no where since it was launched was a close to the $200 mark Clarkdale 6xx chips mentioned as an option and outside gaming as well it is not a very bang for buck choice by any means...
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November 12, 2010 4:11:20 AM

Modern onboard graphics can handle HD/Bluray playback easily, and as I don't see any other, more demanding formats becoming mainstream within 6-8 years, I think you'd be wasting money buying the 5670. If you're going for longevity, you definitely want to get a mobo that supports USB 3.0 and SATA 3; however, as it stands, there are many more AMD mobos that meet that criteria while allowing you to stay within budget than there are Intel. In addition, your parents probably would benefit more from a CPU with more cores than from higher clocks. For these reasons, I highly suggest you consider getting an AMD X6 processor with an AM3 board.

This combo is great for the money. Six core CPU, the same HDD you listed, a mobo that supports USB 3.0 and SATA 3, and a 4GB set of DDR3 RAM. The combo only sets you back $404.01, before a $10 MIR rebate.

Edit: If you do drop the discrete graphics card, that PSU will be fine (assuming it isn't DOA off the bat). Are you reusing a case?
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November 12, 2010 7:39:33 PM

I have a brand new thermaltake case I will be using. ATX form factor. After reading all the comments, I have decided to go with this build. Thanks black for the info! I little more than the 404, but I should see a little better performance. Thoughts?

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ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131631
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$10.00 Instant $149.99
$139.99
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PLEXTOR 24X DVD/CD Writer Black SATA Model PX-880SA LightScribe Support
Item #: N82E16827249054
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $29.99
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AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX
Item #: N82E16819103851
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy $179.00
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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBRM
Item #: N82E16820231275
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy $74.99
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Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136218
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $69.99
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November 12, 2010 8:00:54 PM

Looks pretty good. Why that Plextor, though? The non-OEM version of it costs the same (incl. shipping), and there are cheaper burners that support Lightscribe, like this one @ $16.99 + free shipping. Also wondering about the change in HDD; the Seagate you listed initially is larger, faster, and cheaper.
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November 12, 2010 11:25:32 PM

I figured the WD would be faster since it only had two platters. 640GB is plenty enough space for what they will use it for.
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November 13, 2010 1:52:48 AM

Ouch $150 is painful for any 890GX so either

1. 880G/SB710 if USB/SATA 3.0 is of no consequence to ya
2. 880G/SB850 if it is ^^
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November 13, 2010 2:39:53 PM

wahoo53 said:
I figured the WD would be faster since it only had two platters. 640GB is plenty enough space for what they will use it for.
Seagate's 7200.12 drives and Samsung's Spinpoint F3 drives are often recommended because they use a 500GB/platter design. That means their 1TB drives only have two platters. Now some drives even use 667GB/platter, like Samsung's F4 series. The WD will not be faster, and it will be much more expensive per GB.
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November 14, 2010 9:54:43 AM

Cpu:AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory:Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model 996829
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gpu:XFX HD-687A-ZNBC Radeon HD 6870 Black Edition 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Psu:XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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