How much power is needed for this configuration?

[masky007]

Hi,

I am trying to make a configuration and so far i have this in my pocket

CPU Core i7 860 Quad Core (2.8GHz, 8MB, LGA1156) BOX
MB Asus P6T SE, X58, LGA1366, DDR3, 3xPCI-E(SLi/CF), SB7.1, Lan1000, SATA RAID 0,1,5,10, 2x1394, ATX
Graphic GF GTX 460, 768MB PCI-E, DDR5, 192bit, HDMI & DVI, 3D Vision Ready
HDD 500GB WD Caviar® Green™, SATA2, 7200rpm max, 32MB

So how much power (W) are needed for this machine.

Thanks for helping

edit: and what kind fan would be suffient for the i7?

 

[MadAdmiral]

Not much power is needed. A quality 650W PSU would be just fine. Check out units from Corsair, Antec, Silverstone, SeaSonic and XFX.

Some good HSF for all CPUs are the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus, Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B, and Noctua NH-D14. That's in order of cost (cheapest to most expensive) and performance.

I will point out that the board doesn't support that CPU. You need an i7-9xx CPU. Or you could get a P55 board. The Asus P7P55D-E Pro is a great one. I should also point out that generally, the i7-8xx CPUs aren't that great. The i5-7xx CPUs generally perform just as well, yet cost a lot less. If you NEED hyperthreading, the i7-930 isn't much more expensive, but considerably better performing and is the only Intel CPU with an upgrade path (the i7-980X).

Also, WD's HDDs aren't that good right now. You could easily get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 500 GB for about the same cost (or less). And those will be faster, quieter and cooler than the WD.

 

[masky007]

auuch.. than i will reconfigure everything and come back
thanks

 

[masky007]

ok what about this

CPU Core i7 950 Quad Core (3.06GHz, 8MB, LGA1366) BOX
MB Asus P6T SE, X58, LGA1366, DDR3, 3xPCI-E(SLi/CF), SB7.1, Lan1000, SATA RAID 0,1,5,10, 2x1394, ATX
Graphic GF GTX 460, 768MB PCI-E, DDR5, 192bit, HDMI & DVI, 3D Vision Ready
HDD 500GB Samsung, SATA2, 7200rpm, 16MB
Power 650W
Case unknown
dvd-rom Samsung SH-S223C SATA, черна +R 22x, -R 22x, +RW 8x, -RW 6x, DVD 16x, CDRWR 48x32x40x

 

[MadAdmiral]

Better. I'd probably switch the board for a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R though. It's cheaper and has USB 3/SATA III support.

 

[masky007]

actually its a bit more expensive ;/ bah i overdosed my budget

 

[masky007]

what about this Gigabyte X58A-UD3R, X58, LGA1366, DDR3, 3xPCI-E(SLi/CF), SB7.1 Dolby, Lan1000, SATA RAID 0,1,5,10, 2xSATA 6Gb/s, 2xUSB3.0, 3x1394, ATX

its not GA - i could not find it in the store

edit: and please can you point me some other alternatives for fan .. i could not find any of these.. (Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus is out of stock) :/.
If it's not hard for you here is a list of all fans available so would be great if you can pick one.
http://www.jarcomputers.com/l_en/?m=10&i=10014

THANKS!

 

[masky007]

i am thinking about this Spire CoolGate 09 (SP983S1), медна основа, LGA1366/1156/775 & AM3/AM2/939/754 its cheap (if you approve it)

 

[MadAdmiral]

The "GA" part is just the identifier for Gigabyte. That's the same board. It's odd that it's more expensive there, as it's cheaper pretty much everywhere in the US...

There just aren't any good options on that list. Is that the only place you can buy from? If so, I'd probably wait until the Hyper 212 comes back into stock. The heatsink isn't a critical part that you need immediately when you put everything together.

 

[Yargnit]

Just curious, what is your budget and what are you planning on using the system for?

The reason I ask is because currently you're looking at a CPU nearly 2x as expensive as your GPU, which is telling me you're looking more at productivity type work rather than gaming?

If you're looking at a gaming machine, -$100 from CPU budget and +$100 to GPU budget will net you huge gains, and if you aren't gaming then a GTX460 is likely overkill for your needs, and you could reel your budget down a bit by downgrading to an entry level GPU.

If you are combining work with light to moderate gaming then it's not a bad mix depending on your work, but knowing your intended usage would make it much easier to make recommendations.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

It wud be good to have a budget before we start:

Let me take a shot at a $1,350 system for you. My thought is an SLI capable system where PSU is sized for Overclocking and twin GFX cards. Figuring on you adding a 2nd GFX card and an SSD later.

Case - $90 - Coolermaster HAF-922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197

Case Fans - Later - CM Red 200 mm (purchase when you get 2nd GFX Card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103072

PSU - $120 - Corsair HX750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

MoBo - $150 - Asus Sabertooth 55i
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131601

CPU - $209 - Intel i5-760
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115067

Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185142

TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080

RAM - $80 - 2 x 2GB Mushkin CAS 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226103

GFX - $220 - EVGA GTX 460 SC Get a 2nd one later
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130575

HD - $55 - Seagate 7200.12 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433

SSD - Later - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227590

DVD Writer - $19 - ASUS 24X DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Monitor - $190 - ASUS VH242H1920x1080
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

Keyboard - $45 - Logitech G110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126087

Mouse - $30 - Logitech MX-518
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318

Cost $1,353 w/o any combo discounts

 

[MadAdmiral]

^The OP isn't in the US, so Newegg doesn't matter.

 

[masky007]

The "GA" part is just the identifier for Gigabyte. That's the same board. It's odd that it's more expensive there, as it's cheaper pretty much everywhere in the US...

There just aren't any good options on that list. Is that the only place you can buy from? If so, I'd probably wait until the Hyper 212 comes back into stock. The heatsink isn't a critical part that you need immediately when you put everything together.

How do you mean the heatsink isn't a critical part? When i buy the machine and put it all together there should be fan for the CPU for sure - so i am not following you - i must to buy fan when i buy the computer and i am not really about waiting to get the Hyper 212 - if Spire CoolGate 09 do the job (at least for start i will get it) - so is it enough for this processor ?

Hi, yargnit

I want this machine for both gaming and working - i work in photoshop and cs4/5 after effects.. so a good processor is recommended. Another thing is that why i want stronger processor together with good motherboard is because i am not planing to buy new computer after at least 5 years. So "i think" the GF GTX 460, will do just fine for the current games and in future i can easy replace it with stronger graphic card while still have a good processor. -thats my thinking.. btw i am a gamer as well - i do mostly play wow and starcraft but however i want to play other games as modern warfare 2 or the latest gta.. so a solid graphic card is recommended. My budget is 750eu (without monitor) and i have to buy almost everything from
http://www.jarcomputers.com (if you check the store there the valute is not in euro but in bulgarian (ЛВ) - and the ratio is 100лв=50еu

However i am currently thinking which manufacture to chose for the GF GTX 460 Asus or Inno- i could not found any becnhmarks according those two.

 

[brennon7]

Don't listen to anything MadAdmiral says...he currently is using a 5750 and an AMD processor... quite sub-par selections...

 

[Yargnit]

Fair enough, though depending on your monitor size, a 1gb GTX460 may be a better choice than the 768mb version. (If you use 1680x1050 or smaller the 768mb is fine, if you use 1920x1080 or larger you'll want the 1gb)

What he meant is that the CPU usually comes with a a heatsink already. (unless you buy it OEM or open box as opposed to retail) you are simply looking at a better heatsink to replace the stock one. (A very good idea if you plan to overclock, but something that you can wait a couple weeks on if the one you want is out of stock)

I also still think you could go with LGA1156 and an i5 760 as opposed to LGA1366 and the i7 950 if you wanted to save a few bucks without any real performance loss. all you lose is hyper threading, which is extremely hit or miss depending on the program. (And the money you save you can put toward a better heatsink to overclock further, which will increase performance far more than going to the i7 9 series would) Just be sure you switch motherboards and RAM kit as well. (Both of which are cheaper on the LGA1156 also)

 

[Yargnit]

Don't listen to anything MadAdmiral says...he currently is using a 5750 and an AMD processor... quite sub-par selections...

Sorry to double post, but just saw this after I'd answered and thought it deserved a response.

I'm not sure why Mad's personal computer choices make you think he shouldn't be listened to, but I constantly see him on here giving good advise. I prefer Intel/Nvidia myself, but that in no way means Mad's advise is bad because he chooses AMD for his personal system. Intel/AMD/Nvidia/(AMD-ATI) all have their pros and con's.

Not only are you knocking him based off a fact that has no bearing on his abilities to recommend parts, but you aren't even using a system he recommended as a reason. You have no idea what his intended use or budget was for his personal system. So bashing his abilities based off of his choice of parts in it is extremely ignorant.

 

[masky007]

i like MadAdmiral

However.. if i choose to switch to i5 to save some bucks, i should use the
MB Asus P6T SE, X58, LGA1366, DDR3, 3xPCI-E(SLi/CF), SB7.1, Lan1000, SATA RAID 0,1,5,10, 2x1394, ATX
And use kingmax 6gb ram at 1600mhz

is that a good thinking?

edit: 1333 rate not 1600 - sorry

 

[masky007]

sorry for double posting but i would like to point out this

we have made two possible configurations and my budget is going to decide what i will pick.

i7 configuration:

CPU Core i7 950 Quad Core (3.06GHz, 8MB, LGA1366) BOX
MB Gigabyte X58A-UD3R, X58, LGA1366, DDR3, 3xPCI-E(SLi/CF), SB7.1 Dolby, Lan1000, SATA RAID 0,1,5,10, 2xSATA 6Gb/s, 2xUSB3.0, 3x1394, ATX
Graphic GF GTX 460, 768MB INNO3D, PCI-E, DDR5, 192bit, 2xDVI & mini HDMI - inno
RAM 3x2GB DDR3 1333MHZ, Kingmax,
HDD 500GB Samsung, SATA2, 7200rpm, 16MB
Power 650W



i5 configuration

CPU Core i5 655K Dual Core (3.2GHz (Turbo Boost), 4MB L3, 733MHz GPU, LGA1156) BOX, unlocked
MB Asus P7P55D-E PRO, P55, LGA1156, DDR3 2200MHz, 2xPCI-E(SLi/CF), SB 7.1 DTS, Lan1000, SATA RAID 0,1,5,10, 2xSATA6Gb/s, 2x1394, 2xUSB 3.0, ATX
Graphic GF GTX 460, 768MB INNO3D, PCI-E, DDR5, 192bit, 2xDVI & mini HDMI - inno
RAM 3x2GB DDR3 1333MHZ, Kingmax,
HDD 500GB Samsung, SATA2, 7200rpm, 16MB
Power 650W

i hope this two are good

(i must to say - i did not expect this kind of help - thank you very much guys!) if it werent you i would probably by some stupid stuff

edit; i use 1280 resolution not a big fan of big screens so the 768 should be fine
and is this ram supported on both motherboards? 2GB DDR3 1600MHZ, Kingston HyperX (it has a good weekly price)

 

[MadAdmiral]

How do you mean the heatsink isn't a critical part? When i buy the machine and put it all together there should be fan for the CPU for sure - so i am not following you - i must to buy fan when i buy the computer and i am not really about waiting to get the Hyper 212 - if Spire CoolGate 09 do the job (at least for start i will get it) - so is it enough for this processor ?

When I say the HSF isn't critical, it's because almost all CPUs come with a stock HSF. The stock HSF isn't great, and you can't overclock using it. It will keep the CPU cool at stock speeds. Thus, an aftermarket HSF isn't critical to start with a brand new build.

And using the i5 and Asus P6T SE is a horrible idea. They don't work with each other. They're simply not compatible.

Also, the i5s use dual channel (two sticks) RAM, not triple channel (three sticks). If you use a triple channel kit, it won't run right with the i5. In combination with that, the i5-6xx CPUs are horrible choices, especially the unlocked versions. They're overly expensive, and are only dual cores. Basically, you should only touch the i5-750 (or i5-760) or the i7-930 (or i7-950). Any other Intel CPU isn't worth it for a gaming machine.

@brennon7: My build was built as soon as the 5xxx series cards were released. The price difference between the 5750 and 5770 was a good $50, which didn't make the 5770 worth. In addition, it's not a gaming build. It's more of an HTPC with the possibility of gaming in the future, basically after adding a second 5750. Regardless, it's been able to stand up to everything I've thrown at it so far.

AMD CPUs are easily the best bang-for-the-buck CPUs. Not to mention they're better for tweaking and overclocking, being unlocked and all (without paying a fortune that is). I built the machine with the idea that it's current use would be an HTPC with the potential to do more. Customizations such as expandability and overclocking were priorities, as was the price. Considering I built the machine for under $800 (including the OS), it was a great build at the time, and still is. If I were building it right now, I certainly wouldn't have done everything the same, but that was a year ago. Hell, there wasn't even USB 3/SATA III boards back then. There also wasn't the HD 5870, 5970, or any Fermi cards.

 

[masky007]

oh i got it all wrong
Well,, what motherboard you suggest for the i5?

 

[MadAdmiral]

The Asus P7P55D-E Pro. To be honest, with what your doing, the i7-930 (or 950) and a GTX 460 would be perfect. The 460 is powerful enough for the games you're currently playing and the i7 would help with the Photoshop and other tasks. You can always add a second 460 for a larger power boost in the future.

 

[masky007]

i am doing it with i7 950.. but that configuration is overdosing my budget.. so if i am not able to gather enogh money i would like to have an alternative with
Core i5 655K Dual Core (3.2GHz (Turbo Boost), 4MB L3, 733MHz GPU, LGA1156) BOX, unlocked
and as well what kind of ram i should stick in with this?
thanks man..

(edit: i am not following you, earlier i did write the configuration with the P7P55D-E Pro with the i5 CPU, and after that you said that motherboard is not compatible - i guess you said is not compatible with the i5) so thats my question MB for i5.

 

[MadAdmiral]

I didn't see that post. I saw the one with the i7-860/Asus P6T, which would not be compatible. The i5s (or i7-8xx) would definitely use the P7P55D-E Pro

Given your uses, the i5-655K is a horrible choice. It's expensive and underpowered. You'd get better performance out of just the i5-750, as it's a true quad core. The i5-6xx CPUs are dual cores with hyperthreading, which basically "fakes" being a quad core. Your non-gaming tasks would be drastically slowed down by a dual core.

 

[masky007]

well than i think i can affod the Core i5 760 Quad Core (2.8GHz (Turbo Boost), 8MB, LGA1156) BOX .. so what ram do you suggest to stick with this togtether with P7P55D-E Pro
is this a good choice 2x 2GB DDR3 1600MHZ, Kingston HyperX (it has a good weekly price)

 

[MadAdmiral]

Those sticks should be fine. What you're basically looking for is a set of two 2 GB sticks (2x2 GB) that run at 1333 mhz (no overclocking) or 1600 mhz (if you want to overclock) with CAS Latency 7. The only brand I'd avoid is OCZ, as their DDR3 sticks have been known to have issues, especially when paired with Intel CPUs and motherboards.