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November 12, 2010 7:00:06 PM

Any advice on improving this build? Is everything compatible? Planing to get one 6870 at first and add a second in the future..

Approximate Purchase Date: Within 2 weeks

Budget Range: 800-850$ after rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Mostly for gaming

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, Speaker, OS, DVD DRIVE

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg - NCIX - Tigerdirect

Country of Origin: Qu├ębec, Canada

Parts Preferences: AMD

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: In the future

Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050 on a Samsung T220 monitor

Additional Comments: I will be playing mostly MMORPG and FPS

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Motherboard: ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

PCU: XFX P1-650X-CAH9 650W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

HD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

This come out at around 610$ shipped to my house. I'll have to find a good deal on 6870

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November 12, 2010 7:10:01 PM

Get a 6850 an OC. and you could drop to DDR3 1333 with tighter timing RAM. AMD performs better with tighter timings not higher frequencies.
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November 12, 2010 7:10:49 PM

Switch the board for an Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 or ASRock 870 Exteme 3. The reason for this is to get USB 3/SATA III support.

I'd also look at some 650W units from Corsair, Antec, Silverstone or SeaSonic. Any of these would be high quality, so pick whatever saves you the most money.

I'd also recommend finding some CAS Latency 7 sticks. They'll be faster, especially when you overclock.

I'm not a huge fan of the 6xxx series cards to be honest. I don't see the extra cost over the GPUs they replace (in this case the 5850) as a fair price to pay. You don't get significant performance gains, and the additional features aren't that useful. It's even possible to find deals on the 5870 that will make it cheaper than the 6870.
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November 12, 2010 7:12:58 PM

Is the XFX psu a bad choice? It has a 30$ mail in rebate
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November 12, 2010 7:17:38 PM

no XFX is a good brand.
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November 12, 2010 7:19:05 PM

XFX, Corsair, Silverstone, SeaSonic and Antec are generally considered the highest quality brands. I don't tend to stray out of their products when I'm looking for quality. I was just suggesting that you make sure XFX is the cheapest of that group, as they're all about equal.

EDIT: That RAM is much better. I'd consider stepping up to 1600 mhz CL 7 sticks if you want to overclock a lot.
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November 12, 2010 7:22:00 PM

^That's Newegg.COM, the US side, not Newegg.CA the Canadian side. Of course the prices will be "lower", as the US dollar is worth a bit more than the Candian dollar (plus import fees).
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November 12, 2010 7:32:00 PM

As for the 6xxx gpu, I though they were less expensive for the exact same performance. Well that's what I've seen on some benchmark.
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November 12, 2010 7:33:04 PM

Neither. These G.Skill Eco 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CL 7 sticks are better and cheaper than both of those options.

The 6xxx are more expensive for roughly the same performance, unless you're finding an amazing deal on them.
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November 12, 2010 8:00:52 PM

^Except that the 5850 is $200 at it's cheapest, the 6850 is $190 at it's cheapest and the GTX 460 1 GB is $190 at it's cheapest. That's around 25% decrease in price for the 5850, or $7.41 per FPS for the 5850, $7.31 for the 6850, and $8.26 per FPS for the 460. The 5850 is actually close to being playable at that resolution, while the others are a bit further off.

Of course, that's using US dollars...
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November 12, 2010 8:08:29 PM
November 12, 2010 8:39:52 PM

The cheapest 6870 i can get is currently at 272$ while the cheapest 5850 is at 247$ + 30$ MIR.

From what I understands, for the performace they give, the extra $ isn't worth it?

XFX HD-585X-ZABC Radeon HD 5850 Black Edition 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

How are XFX cards? Out of 8 reviewers, 4 had to RMA^^

Found this one also. Less expensive and it has alot of good reviews :

SAPPHIRE 100282-3SR Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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November 12, 2010 9:21:04 PM

The 6870 and 5850 are equals in performance. The 6870 has a few more features, mainly 3D support (useless for the next several years) and improved AA performance (not really necessary). Other than that, the cards are essentially equal.

XFX is considered one of the best brands due to their "double lifetime" warranty. Basically, the cards are under warranty for both the original purchaser and whoever they sell it to.

@vindictive: That 5850 you linked to is actually $187 after promo code and MIR, so that's really $6.93 per FPS. I went with the more stable price of $200 to be conservative. I also didn't count any cards that weren't in stock, as they often don't come back in stock at the same price.
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November 13, 2010 1:36:46 AM

MadAdmiral said:
The 6870 and 5850 are equals in performance. The 6870 has a few more features, mainly 3D support (useless for the next several years) and improved AA performance (not really necessary). Other than that, the cards are essentially equal.

XFX is considered one of the best brands due to their "double lifetime" warranty. Basically, the cards are under warranty for both the original purchaser and whoever they sell it to.

@vindictive: That 5850 you linked to is actually $187 after promo code and MIR, so that's really $6.93 per FPS. I went with the more stable price of $200 to be conservative. I also didn't count any cards that weren't in stock, as they often don't come back in stock at the same price.


Alright I have 2 questions since you know about the 5 series. I don't know much about them because I didn't start looking around t
ill right before the 6 series came out.
1. are 5850's dual slot? like take up to slots.
2. What size PSU is needed to CF 5850's?
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November 13, 2010 1:09:44 PM

1.) Depends on the motherboard, but so are are the 5750s. The fans will block another slot, but it's often an older slot that doesn't really matter.

2.) 650W. You do need 4 6 pin PCIe connectors, so for most PSUs that means you'll need to find some molex-to-6-pin adapters, but most 5850s will come with a couple. You only need a larger PSU once you hit the 5870. Even then, it only need a 750W.
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November 13, 2010 2:56:03 PM

THe G.SKILLS eco are designed for intel i5 i7, will they work well on a Phenom II X4 955?
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November 13, 2010 4:57:01 PM

G.Skill Ripjaws = BEAUTIFUL RAM

For the RAM, you might wanna find the CL7 version instead of CL9 if you're gonna game, less CAS Latency = better, especially for games
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November 13, 2010 5:15:55 PM

The "Made for Intel Core" statements are just marketing. The majority of people don't thin "AMD" when they think of CPUs, so the "designed for Intel" statement would draw more attention. They work perfectly fine.
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November 13, 2010 5:23:27 PM

Alright.. Thanks for all the answers :) 

I'll most likely go for the 6870 because I cannot find any 5850 for cheaper.
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November 14, 2010 9:39:06 AM

Cpu:AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory:Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model 996829
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gpu:XFX HD-687A-ZNBC Radeon HD 6870 Black Edition 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Psu:XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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