NVIDIA reveals Fermi's successor: Kepler at 28nm in 2011, Maxwell in 2

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Looks promising,but too bad there is word for specs(yet ).
I sure hope so that they have a good power consumption,its the main feature Nvidia has missed in almost all GTX 4xx family.

Its to be expected.
nVidias current solution is very leaky, hot and somewhat underperforming because of the first 2 problems
Give Fermi a full shrink, HKMG, and itll be what they were hopimg for Fermi, but also a next gen one as well.
Sounds like a good product if all goes well

Well its finally looking good for competition and hopefully prices .
As far as Nvidia responding to the 6 series, there still have yet to release a full fat GF104 cored card yet, the 460 has 7 of 8 SM's enabled.
Don't know if thats a yield issue or not or even if a 8 SM chip is viable/possible. Then there is the possability of dual chip cards so there are still a few possabilities for newer higher performing cards before they get to Kepler in 2011.

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Does Vaporware means its packing too much heat and it disingrated during the bechmarks A0-A1 Silicon so they need so new artic silver thermal putty on the market! Thats why you don't touch or mess with experimental gear! nvidia has a reputation for putting the heater on it cards aka 5800ultra and up! Ati has the Vortex Imploder Edition Cards, but Nvidia has Tesla and Turbine Heaters on it Cards! When's the Plasma Electro card being released or is that the Lucid HydraLogic's Card with the AMD Orochi Series Gear! Too much excitment in IT wheres the best place to hang out CA or TW?

^ur right but for now we can wait the typical Hawk from MSI

Great just what we all need no competition for ATI so that prices will sky rocket and little from Nvidia that can keep up for to long performance wise. Honestly all they can do is to continue to improve yields that is a pipe dream in it's self and improve efficiency which is another pipe dream.

That is more likely an admission that Fermi was slated for release in 2009 but it just didn't go according to plan, if it did start development in 2009 then Nvidia is way ahead of ATi in being able to go from development to working silicon and on to final product as it normally takes about eighteen months to two years.

Well once again, if its marked as 2009, comes out mid to late 2010, isnt even done yet, im not so confident we will be seeing this anytime soon...

Seems the market liked the news.
NVIDIA Jumped the Most in the SP500
http://www.tradershuddle.com/20100 [...] sp500.html

"The move to the upside came with high volume; 40.98 million shares traded, 2 times NVIDIA’s average 90day volume of 20.5 million shares."

Kinda Odd?

Everyones waiting for 28nm, so it matters little really, its whats between then and now that has the immediate impact

They made announcements about inventory as well. You can read many things in to that. Sometimes its reporting manipulation other times it means they are selling well.

Well they haven't sold anything to me recently and won't do until they release a fully enabled GPU of 460 class or higher.

For the ones that don't support it natively, forcing AFR or SFR via the Nv control panel is always an option.

Yeah, i was kinda wondering why they were doing it on a per watt basis, fermi isnt exactly the greenest video card

Right, but CUDA is likely the thing NV can twist the most. Not saying it isnt useful, not saying it doesnt contribute to performance, but its like AMD bragging they have 4x the shaders than NV. Then making a chart showing that. Also, if you think about it, if they cut the power to 5870 levels, they already have a 30% decrease in wattage, so id rather see raw performance, not performance per watt, and what might be idle watt or something misleading. I never trust AMD or NV slides when it comes to performance. They can skew the results, and market it however they want.

Honestly? I feel like this guy

Nvidia's position might get better with the release of the AMD 6 series, it may FAIL.
The only things we know for sure, ARE, its still on 40nm, and every gpu should be a bigger die. Which will probably use more power, and could run hotter
Time will tell.

I hope the 6xxx series does good. One should never hope someone does bad to bring more competition in. Best case scenario is 6xxx does good, which it really does look like it will, if they keep temps in a good range, and then they price to kill

I think the Tessellation performance is going to be one of the main areas that they may concentrate on as the performance so far has been a bit lacklustre considering the noise made about being able to do Tess since the 2xxx series and how it was held back because of Nvidia's refusal to bow down to DX10.1.

But it's the tess chip that either needs a redesign or dropping and incorporating the process into the GPU that could be the make or break I reckon, not that I'm claiming to know the full ins and and out of it all but that seems to be one of the areas that they are getting hurt in and it just so happens to be a selling point of DX11.

6xxx has an entirely new tess system. Upside is on the high end models, it gets fantastic tes performance. Downside is, the more shader banks you take away, tess gets hurt a lot more than it should be.

He didn't say tess, he said tes, which refers to The Elder Scrolls, aka Oblivion, which it likely (as do all modern cards) does quite well in.

So who has 28nm coming out in the time frame that Nvidia will need to do this in 2011? As I recall thats one reason why AMD had the "isle" problem and changed what the 6series will be. 6 series is more of a refresh then a new card, and I'm not sure Nvidia needs to do much about it. The GTX4xx cards are faster then the AMD 5xxx cards, so let them refresh it. Even if AMD can get the lead back, when the "real" new cards come out we'll be back to seeing who is fastest again. (7 series and GTX5 series.)

The performance per watt graph isn't very encouraging because it doesn't necessarily mean that Kepler will be massively faster than Fermi, just a lot more efficient!

We can only wait and see in any case, the whole rumour/speculation/armchair engineer thing is always fun!