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November 14, 2010 8:05:21 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: next week


Budget Range: $1000


System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming,converting ,movies with convertxto dvd


Parts Not Required:keyboard,mouse , monitor,speakers,


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: new egg amazon really don't matter much as long its a good deal


Country of Origin: united states


Parts Preferences: not really got a preference tend to hear good things about amd


Overclocking: yes if it would help me get more power for the cash


SLI or Crossfire: yes if needed


Monitor Resolution: going to buy this monitor so maybe this helps here's link http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
be free to suggest a different monitor if u feel i'm making a poor decision i just want one with TV capabilities like this one really if u know better then please let me know
November 14, 2010 8:08:55 AM

hey guys i was browsing seen this http://www.hardware-revolution.com/1000-gaming-computer...
would this be able to play crisis full detail and fall out call of duty black ops etc or would i need something little better i just seen this so i still want some good builds just curious what u guys thought about this build also if u think i can do better please let me know thanks
Anonymous
a b C Monitor
November 14, 2010 9:14:16 AM

Cpu:AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory:Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model 996829
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gpu:XFX HD-687A-ZNBC Radeon HD 6870 Black Edition 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Psu:XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W ATX12V 2.2 / ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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Anonymous
a b C Monitor
November 14, 2010 9:14:59 AM

this is a better build than the above listed
November 14, 2010 9:26:20 AM

will this build play call of duty black ops and fall out new vegas and crisis ? wioth some nice eye candy?






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this is a better build than the above listed

Anonymous
a b C Monitor
November 14, 2010 9:29:32 AM

yeah for sure
November 14, 2010 9:39:22 AM

all right and that card can out perform the geforce gtx 460's in sli?
and do i just need 1 of that card u suggested or 2?


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yeah for sure

Anonymous
a b C Monitor
November 14, 2010 9:48:12 AM

u can go for 2 for 1200$
this build is equipped with high performance gaming memory
a BE CPU
and an XFX 6870 that is capable of beating the gtx 470
instead of goin for 2 gtx 460's u should go for this bcoz it can also play the above listed games at max resolutions and it is behind by gtx 460 by just 5-10 fps
U can Crossfire it in the future and it will be a beast
Got It?

November 14, 2010 9:55:49 AM

k i hope im not bugging u m8 k im new to the whole crossfire thing but i like the term u used beast so if i chose to crossfire with 2 of these cards is it hard to crossfire do u just got to put the 2 cards inb the board and thats it ? also so basically this build knocks down the one i mentioned and stomps on it basically right ? also so the above mentioned gam,es max resolution and ful ldeati lsettings with the crossfire of those cards u mentioned is possible easily?




Quote:
u can go for 2 for 1200$
this build is equipped with high performance gaming memory
a BE CPU
and an XFX 6870 that is capable of beating the gtx 470
instead of goin for 2 gtx 460's u should go for this bcoz it can also play the above listed games at max resolutions and it is behind by gtx 460 by just 5-10 fps
U can Crossfire it in the future and it will be a beast
Got It?

November 14, 2010 10:32:26 AM

Siva's build is good for the most part.

However, you should probably grab a 750w PSU for 6870 Crossfire and beyond - like the Corsair HX-750.

A bit of excess power = a good thing. Power supply runs at lower load, meaning less heat, quieter, longer life and greater efficiency - basically means you'll still have it for your next build, and probably the one after that - worth the extra 30$.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also in regards to Motherboard, and RAM get the following and save some cash;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Also - grab a CPU cooler, as an x4 955 will go to 3.8ghz without any effort at all;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Notice how the parts i've recommended all have high newegg feedback? They're popular for a reason. :) 

Peace
November 14, 2010 10:39:35 AM

Oh also don't pay for a Black Edition 6870 - complete waste of money.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

All 6870s are just reference models at the moment, and will all overclock higher than what the black edition is clocked at without any effort.

Oh also - basic DVD burner, often forgotten.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Also in regards to the screen, usually can't go wrong with Samsung, however if you're very interested in the TV tuner business, you might be better off with a PCI-E tuner card and a regular screen, though hopefully others will be better able to advise. I assume you might be able to save a bit, or get a better screen / better tuner out of having them separate.
November 14, 2010 10:54:25 AM


so nerdbox they aint no performance difference in your suggested board and memory then what was previously suggested ?





Nerdbox87 said:
Oh also don't pay for a Black Edition 6870 - complete waste of money.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

All 6870s are just reference models at the moment, and will all overclock higher than what the black edition is clocked at without any effort.

Oh also - basic DVD burner, often forgotten.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Also in regards to the screen, usually can't go wrong with Samsung, however if you're very interested in the TV tuner business, you might be better off with a PCI-E tuner card and a regular screen, though hopefully others will be better able to advise. I assume you might be able to save a bit, or get a better screen / better tuner out of having them separate.

November 14, 2010 11:20:22 AM

2000mhz RAM vs 1600mhz is not noticeable, except possibly via benchmarking software, which means next to nothing for real performance and nothing for gaming.

The 1600mhz CL7 Ripjaws are basically the standard for a gaming rig at the moment - and what i've got. They've got 5/5 rating from 250+ reviews for a reason :) 

The motherboard is not quite as good - but is awesome, and better than mine. It will not effect anything you plan to do, unless you're a crazy overclocker (which you aren't) and even then the differences would be tiny.

If you'd like to save further cash I can recommend;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Only real difference is that it is 8x 8x crossfire, not 16x 16x. In regards to 6870 crossfire performance we're talking about 4% slower, which I think is fine given the decent savings (which can be put towards your second card)

Personally I decided on the above cheaper board and i'm running 6870s in crossfire.
November 14, 2010 11:22:24 AM

By the way, there are some crazy freaks on this site that watch newegg constantly for combos and other crazy savings.

Hopefully one of these guys posts one of their builds soon - as thats where it's at!

I'm Australian, so not as on the ball with US deals - too busy paying our ridiculous inflated costs ;) 
November 14, 2010 3:41:52 PM

are they anyone else maybe with some opinions before i start ordering parts ?
November 15, 2010 9:12:55 AM

anyone got and good combos that might help me out ?
November 17, 2010 9:14:01 AM

Here is what I have So far.
Also I've been Told the motherboard is overkill so I'm hoping for some suggestions on a replacement.I would like to crossfire the 6870's so if i could find a cheaper motherboard that would still give me good performance I would like to buy another 6870.So any suggestions are welcome and very much appreciated.Well here is the build.



Cpu:AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Motherboard:ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Gpu:HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
going to crossfire soon not right away

HDD:HDD:SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Psu:CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Case:COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also this motherboard has been recommended to me as well

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 17, 2010 12:41:48 PM

are they any way i can get 2 6870s crossfire with $1000 cause with my set up now im $200 over budget anyone got some suggestions thank you g kay for the help also
November 17, 2010 12:43:34 PM

If you feel comfortable doing a simple overclock, and don't plan to use the stock cooler anyway, I'd suggest:

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644]

most people are getting immediate speeds to 3.8ghz right off the bat.

Or, get a PII X2, and unlock it to a Quad. Very easy to do:

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846]

As for mobo, depends how set you are on having USB 3.0 / SATA 6.0 now, or are willing to add a card for it later. If you will add a card later for it, I'd use:

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131636]

Great board, great overclocker, full of features. $139. Plus work great for unlocking PII X2 chips.

If you want the updated USB/SATA now:

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131655]

Full featured, also easy unlocks PII X2 chips, all the bells and whistles you need, $165.

For what it sounds like you want too do, either of those board would work great.

For graphics. The PSU you selected, should work fine, but for dual 6870's I would bump up to the HX850 for $20 more. As reference in a complete i7 system:

Dual 6850's in Xfire: Idle 186w Full Load 393w

Dual 6870's in Xfire: Idle 184w Full Load 421w

HX850 PSU ]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011&Tpk=HX850]

Personally I'd go with the dual 6850's.

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908&cm_re=Radeon_HD_6850-_-14-102-908-_-Product]

or

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121399&cm_re=Radeon_HD_6850-_-14-121-399-_-Product]

But if you are dead set on 6870's in Xfire(the HIS you wanted just sold out which means NewEgg won't be getting more):

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150506&cm_re=Radeon_HD_6870-_-14-150-506-_-Product]

Double Lifetime Warranty on cards.

If you can wait a few days or week to order parts, I would go for the Asus cards over any of the other brands:

]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121401&cm_re=Radeon_HD_6870-_-14-121-401-_-Product]

Asus makes probably the best rock solid ATI cards. I am a bit partial to Sapphire cards myself which are also solid.

But as I said, I would take the 6850's in Xfire before I take the 6870's. First, the 6850's will take less power, and run a bit cooler though not much. Between the 2 cards set up in Xfire, the 6870's for most games is only going to give you about an 8 - 12FPS gain. To me, not really worth spending the extra $40 - 60 to gain 8 - 12FPS.

Again, this is all just personal opinion, but it's what I would do.

Hope this helps ya some.





November 17, 2010 12:50:05 PM

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For graphics. The PSU you selected, should work fine, but for dual 6870's I would bump up to the HX850 for $20 more. As reference in a complete i7 system:

thats completely wrong.. AMD's own website suggest a minimum of a 600W psu for Crossfire 6870's. Get the XFX Black Edition 750W modular, Silver certified - $130. You will never max out 750W with CF 6870's.
November 17, 2010 1:15:07 PM

Forgot to mention a couple things about the RAM. The default speed on the RAM for whatever board/CPU setup you get will be DDR3 1333 anyway, so I would just run a high end 1333 kit. Running a DDR3 1600 kit, you will barely notice any difference, if you do even notice, versus running a DDR3 1333 kit. Recommendations I would use:

OCZ DDR3 1600 $91.99 ]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227572]

Those OCZ's are only $4 more, with much better timings (6-8-6-24), and OCZ has phenomenal support. What I would do, is maybe drop them too 1333, or maybe 1466, and tighten the timings more. But that's me.

Mushkin Enhanced DDR3 1333 $79.99 ]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226131]

Those Mushkin are 7-7-7-20 1T, and will overclock awesome if you want too bump them up. You might be able too keep those stock timings and overclock them too 1600. I use only Mushkin and Crucial RAM, because they use premium RAM IC's, and are kicka$$ overclocking RAM. I run my DDR3 1333 Crucial Ballistix at 6-6-6-18 1T @ 1566 since the day I got'm. Mushkin also has probably THE best customer service in the business. IF you ever have any kind of issue, they will go above and beyond too help resolve it. By far the best company I have ever dealt with.

If you want to use G.Skill as a personal preference, I'd go with:

DDR3 1333 CAS7 $79.99 ]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231276]

DDR3 1333 CAS8 $69.99 ]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231180]






November 17, 2010 1:25:10 PM

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Mushkin Enhanced DDR3 1333 $79.99 ]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226131]

Those Mushkin are 7-7-7-20 1T, and will overclock awesome if you want too bump them up. You might be able too keep those stock timings and overclock them too 1600.

Same Exact RAM same timings, DDR3 1600 for the same price... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226103&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=3463938&SID=
Edit: Sorry timings are a little slower. 7-9-7-24
November 17, 2010 1:26:57 PM

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thats completely wrong.. AMD's own website suggest a minimum of a 600W psu for Crossfire 6870's. Get the XFX Black Edition 750W modular, Silver certified - $130. You will never max out 750W with CF 6870's.



PSU wattage tested on an i7 965 system using both single and dual cards. It is correct.

AMD's recommendations is for a BARE minimum PSU, and an average user system.

And nothing personal, but I wouldn't recommend XFX to anyone. Both me and my old roommate have had nothing but problems with multiple XFX products. Only reason I suggested the XFX 6870 to the OP is because it is the cheapest one still available on NewEgg.

PSU usage: ]http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-crossfirex-review/4]

Corsair PSU's are some of the best on the market.
November 17, 2010 1:33:25 PM

you all are being very helpful i just want to let you all know im here just viewing and reading all this stuff
a b C Monitor
November 17, 2010 2:53:54 PM

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  • $1000 dollar gaming build advice
    November 17, 2010 3:39:57 PM

    Don't get the Powercolor 6870s that Batuchka suggested, they're a crappy brand and the only reason you'll be paying less is because it's crappy

    Don't believe everything you see, you get what you pay for
    !