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November 15, 2010 4:39:28 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: This week
Budget Range: pretty high up to 5k

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, vid editing and some rendering

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, speakers, network stuff

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: new egg, tiger or other

Country of Origin: US

Parts Preferences: What is current. This is a one shot deal so we want this to last a good while

Overclocking: yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200 or as high as we can get for size of monitor, up to 25”?

Additional Comments: Function over art and it should be as quiet as possible. We don’t have space to split this thing into two or three (htpc ,gaming, and work) so it has to go in one box. Also need a good UPS, and cpu cooler, and as mentioned above a good monitor

Here is what we have:

EVGA 015-P3-1582-AR GeForce GTX 580 SuperClocked Video Card(s)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Motherboard
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Solid State Drive

Corsair CSSD-F80GBP2-BRKT F80 Force Series Solid State Drive - 80GB, 2.5", SATA II

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Hard Drive

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Soundcard: Creative labs X-Fi titanium

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

psu: COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RSA00-80GAD3-US 1000W

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

optical drives: LG WH10LS30K 10X Blu-ray Burner 100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I guess our big concern is compatibility of all the parts. We tried to make sure stuff will fit size wise and the right slots are available for all the parts. We are also not sure if there's bottle necks on speed anywhere.

Thanks for all the help!

November 15, 2010 5:32:13 PM

A good cpu cooler is the h70 watercooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or you can get the h50 cheaper and still very good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A good ups would be
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Its up to 810 watts for only $150 and its made from cyberpower which is a good brand to depend on.

A monitor you should focus on is the lcd which are cheaper and not much difference from the led counter parts
I found this one from asus which is also a very good brand for monitors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 15, 2010 5:34:58 PM

Only thing I would change is the PSU because 1000 watts is a lot and what you're focusing on won't come near that power. I would suggest 850 but if you're willing to spend money on a 1k watt then go for it.
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November 15, 2010 6:11:52 PM

gougeface said:
Only thing I would change is the PSU because 1000 watts is a lot and what you're focusing on won't come near that power. I would suggest 850 but if you're willing to spend money on a 1k watt then go for it.


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EVGA 015-P3-1582-AR GeForce GTX 580 SuperClocked Video Card(s)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=3669
That implys two 580's which use ~ the same amount of power as two 480's. While 1kW may be overkill it isnt by much, its good to have room to play with and not have your PSU fully loaded.

For a UPS check out the article posted today:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apc-smt1500-cyberpo...
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November 15, 2010 6:13:32 PM

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Only thing I would change is the PSU because 1000 watts is a lot and what you're focusing on won't come near that power. I would suggest 850 but if you're willing to spend money on a 1k watt then go for it.
I advise getting bigger, so you can "grow" into it....

Also DON'T GET LC IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT!!! especially on a build that is 5k..... I'd get Hyper 212, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Drop the sound card, you don't need it.... most mobos are as good as aftermarket stuff....


Drop your old SSD, and get this one, it is bigger, and better =D... they have great speeds and stuff... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ~ 235.99


Also, if you want to same some $$ then drop the 960, and get the 950, it is like half the price, PLUS almost the same clockrate... IMHO the entry level I7 is now 950, then 980X... none of the others are in the same area on price/speed ratio.... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ~ 294.99

Also, this is just nitpicking, you shouldn't really buy from different companies on the Mobos..... here is from Newegg, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ~ 209.99 You may also consider the next step up in the UD-R line... I think it is UD7R....


Anyway, pretty good build other then that.. PS. go with Gouge's UPC and monitor, I don't want to touch UPC, incase the one I choose is junk..... the monitor is pretty good... If you wanna spend some more dough on one, get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ~359.99 it is epic looking, and has 3d vision 0.o... (I don't advise doing that... but maybe in a few years ;D....)

Hope that helps~Noob
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November 15, 2010 6:39:53 PM

Liquid cooling is easy to use. All he needs to do is follow the direction plus corsair has videos on "how to install it".

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November 15, 2010 6:43:05 PM

uhhhh, so... are you willing to gamble 5k on this?
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November 15, 2010 6:50:48 PM

I won't spend 5k on a gaming system. I just got a new build for only $1,150
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November 15, 2010 6:59:30 PM

he should xfire 2 6870
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November 15, 2010 7:00:50 PM

For the case you are getting, you don't need to spend extra $$$ for water cooling - the 212+ will work just fine. If you are for "sure" going to OC - get a 2nd fan for it for a push/pull set up (~$12 more?)

The Scythe Mugen and Noctua are also good if you don't have to worry about clearance for your memory modules.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-heatsink,2...
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November 15, 2010 7:07:13 PM

+1 to Dave....


He should wait for the 69xxs.... then get a couple o' those...other then that, 580s....
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November 15, 2010 7:08:23 PM

if you're going for air CPU cooling then get zalaman.
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November 15, 2010 7:09:18 PM

nah 212 is the BEST! on air....
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November 15, 2010 7:10:10 PM

yea but the 6870 can outperform 580s and 5970 when xfire. The 6870 has very good benchmark at xfire then anyother GPU right now
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November 15, 2010 7:11:40 PM

the 212 is ok at best
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November 15, 2010 7:14:09 PM

Look for IPS monitors. There are some good Dell, HP and NEC models between 25" and 30".
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November 15, 2010 7:15:44 PM

Don't buy dell or hp monitors. you can easily buy the monitor i link above and it fits all your needs and its cheaper then most dell and hp
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November 15, 2010 7:26:24 PM

HP and Dell are going to hell. Their customer service sucks so if something happens good luck trying to get ahold of them.

Asus is a very good brand as we speak I'm watching this on a 25" asus monitor and I gotta say its beautiful.
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November 15, 2010 7:28:42 PM

junky acer here... lol their Customer support stinks... 'tis true
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November 15, 2010 7:30:20 PM

yea my friend has an acer and it went out within couple months.
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November 15, 2010 7:32:28 PM

DAmn people this is like a false information overload thread. Let's get some things straight.

h70 is as safe as any air cooler unless you start stabbing the hoses which is like as stupid as putting your pc in an aqaurium. SO there are no worries there. The h70 also takes little space and on high overclocks performs better than any other all in one system or air cooler.

Then a hyper 212+ is a good cooler. That's where it ends though. I've seen benchmarks where a fanless noctua d14 beats a hyper 212 with the one stock fan. Granted the case air flow was good like in most cases but nevertheless high end air coolers beat the 212+ by a significant margin.

THen Dell and HP screens are very high quality and worth their money for sure maybe not neccesary but in this budget why spend so little on a screen and so much on GPUs to power it??

ANd lastly sound cards blow onboard sound out of the water. Creative ussually isn't the best choice though, since they have drver issues and most cards just aren't that great. I have an asus d2x which is far better than my alc899 and that is to my knowledge the best onboard sound chip on the market(exept the x-fi featured on rog boards but that isn't really onboard). So saying mobos are as good as aftermarket stuff is compeltely false and plain ridiculous if you look at the price difference and the fact that people still buy sound cards.
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November 15, 2010 7:33:08 PM

lol mine has been thrown off a desk(I accidently pulled[ hard] on a cord...) , I had to reattach some cords in it... but the thing works fine... lol +1 for being able to throw it off the desk.... (PS 1.3 meter drop, and was flung 2 meters)
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November 15, 2010 7:35:30 PM

and yeah acer does have a bad reputation lol apperently they don't even to proper quality testing for parts they just buy the cheapest and hope it works. I'm sure it's not that bad, but the rumors gotta come from somewhere ey?
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November 15, 2010 7:35:55 PM

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h70 is as safe as any air cooler unless you start stabbing the hoses which is like as stupid as putting your pc in an aqaurium. SO there are no worries there. The h70 also takes little space and on high overclocks performs better than any other all in one system or air cooler.
want to tell that to my friend who had his explode and his system is shorted?

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Then a hyper 212+ is a good cooler. That's where it ends though. I've seen benchmarks where a fanless noctua d14 beats a hyper 212 with the one stock fan. Granted the case air flow was good like in most cases but nevertheless high end air coolers beat the 212+ by a significant margin.
sources??? or maybe a replacement one?

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THen Dell and HP screens are very high quality and worth there money for sure maybe not neccesary but in this budget why spend so little on a screen and so much on GPUs to power it??
a 1k monitor.... the things break in the ****ing mail!!!

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ANd lastly sound cards blow onboard sound out of the water. Creative ussually isn't the best choice though, since they have drver issues and most cards just aren't that great. I have an asus d2x which is far better than my alc899 and that is to my knowledge the best onboard sound chip on the market(exept the x-fi featured on rog boards but that isn't really onboard). So saying mobos are as good as aftermarket stuff is compeltely false and plain ridiculous if you look at the price difference and the fact that people still buy sound cards.
compare them ^^
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November 15, 2010 7:37:15 PM

Was going to post pretty much exactly what somebody_007 just posted. Especially about the Dell & HP screens. True, their customer support has gone downhill a lot, but the IPS screens they sell are high quality.

Well, except about the H70. I would still go with air cooling on most "normal" builds, just to reduce the (minimal) risk of any problems occurring.

Sound cards are certainly better than onboard...but many people can't tell the difference. :) 
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November 15, 2010 7:38:48 PM

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Sound cards are certainly better than onboard...but many people can't tell the difference.
thats the point, why spend 50$ on something you can't hear the difference on...?
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November 15, 2010 7:40:00 PM

What high end CPU Coolers?
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November 15, 2010 7:41:04 PM

lol, I know....
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November 16, 2010 4:13:28 AM

Atotalnoob said:
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Sound cards are certainly better than onboard...but many people can't tell the difference.
thats the point, why spend 50$ on something you can't hear the difference on...?


Everyone can hear the difference if you listen, it's just to some it just doesn't matter. For me it's not like I can't enjoy anything but my sound card, but it certainly does sound better. IMO do a little bit of listening tests with without sound cards and see for yourself wether you like it. What I think you shouldn't do is not buy one if you are satisfied with onboard because most people have never heard the quality of a decent sound card. My audio setup is bassically the best sound I've ever heard and like you before I got my sound card I was unwitting of the differences. I just took the plunge and hoped for the best and it turned out pretty well ;) .
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November 16, 2010 4:25:13 AM

atoalnoob to answer all your questions:

About your friends disaster well stuff happens. When I unscrewed my top fan once. I lost one of the screws. Looked everywhere for it and assume it had fallen in into the useless bottom compartment of my case(which is abosultely usseless and inaccesible exept for some small wholes for screws to fall into) I also heard something roling down there and assumes it was the screw. I replaced the screw and powered up my which died after about 20 secs. As it turned out the screw miraculously lodged itself between the usb ports on the back of my mobo(if only I knew how on earth it got there) out of sight, shorting the motherboard and destroying my irriplaceable asus p6t deluxe oc palme edition special edition motherboard. Yet I don't say you shouldn't buy screws ^^. I mean stuff happens that's life you can't prevent it all.

As a cooler I'd go for a noctua d14 or h70. WHichever floats his boat.

About the screen well yes it's expensive, but they are the largest on the market with a decent pixel density. I mean everyone will see the flaws of a 30" 1920x1200.

And wel I did compare my sound card thoroughly to my onboard in one song. The difference isn't everpresent. The vocals sound the same to me(I am far from an audiophile btw and my headphone amp isn't the best for testing anything since it isn't that great) so anyways, but when one does here a clear difference it is huge. There was one sound in the song I tested a single kind of drumbeat occurring every several seconds and there the difference was pretty big. From the alc it sounded flat and monontonous, whereas my sound card gave it depth made it sound nice. Also when a lot of backround instruments are playing you get an extra level of clarity and depth as apposed to hearing all the instruments together you here one clearly and then the other behind that and so forth.
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November 16, 2010 1:28:28 PM

:bounce:  Thanks everyone for a) such prompt responses, and b) so much enthusiasm! The article links are great!

As a side note, my Mrs. and I were in radio for a number of years so yea, we hear the difference. My son has perfect pitch and has been in music since almost the day he was born (yea music at infant stage) so he can tell the difference even better than we can.

We will let you know how it all comes out.

Thanks again!

PS

Too chicken to do water cooled!
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November 16, 2010 8:39:14 PM

gougeface said:
yea but the 6870 can outperform 580s and 5970 when xfire. The 6870 has very good benchmark at xfire then anyother GPU right now

I'll say it again and again, always go with one vid card when possible. With AMD's new 6900 release coming so shortly, I'd hold my shorts and sit for a while and see how things hash out.
I'm already seeing a Sapphire 5970 going for less than $500. I'm waiting for AMD's new release so I can get a 5970 for under $400. you wait.
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November 17, 2010 12:08:58 AM

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Everyone can hear the difference if you listen, it's just to some it just doesn't matter. For me it's not like I can't enjoy anything but my sound card, but it certainly does sound better. IMO do a little bit of listening tests with without sound cards and see for yourself wether you like it. What I think you shouldn't do is not buy one if you are satisfied with onboard because most people have never heard the quality of a decent sound card. My audio setup is bassically the best sound I've ever heard and like you before I got my sound card I was unwitting of the differences. I just took the plunge and hoped for the best and it turned out pretty well .



You do know, I interned for 3 years at a music recording studio? the difference is minimal, I can't tell the difference between my mobos, Omega Striker, G35 headset, or Creative FX Titanium....


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About the screen well yes it's expensive, but they are the largest on the market with a decent pixel density. I mean everyone will see the flaws of a 30" 1920x1200.
Not really.... I don't see any flaws on any screens I use on work/on my work PC/the ones I see in my travels(ok, maybe a few, but they were at lower res...) the point is, 1k isn't worth it..... soo you get a ocuple thousand more pixels.... 800$ is worth it! totally..... *sarcasm*

(edited for mistake in BBC)
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November 17, 2010 4:10:51 AM

Wel If you inturned at a music recording studio you really schould be able to hear the difference ^^. Of course it depends on the testing equipement. I currently have sennheiser hd650s http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/sennheiser-hd-650/45... which are high end headphones and are a good deal better with a good amp. And let me tell you something running of my ipod it just completely sucks. There are tons imperfections the sound sounds like its miles away. YEt whe you plug it into a a decent amp(like that of your average audiophile sound card) the experience changes. Truth be told true difference between the alc899 encoding chip and a mid riange sound card encoing chip doesn't make all the difference(it's there and IMO worth it ut there's dar more) you also have a built in amp which is needed for any high end headphone solution(unless you have a dedicated amp like me ^^), it also takes a load of the cpu and there's tons of software which are great and don't influence your performance to the dediacted proccesing on the sound card. The main factor remains the sound though.

As for the screens I find them expensive too but, they are the best and for my 1900x1200 on a 30" is simply to low. SO if you really want a big screen there really aren't any options exept going low quality or going all out on a 1k dell. Yes they're expensive but when there is no competition that bests them it's just personal really. Take these speakers for example http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/avalon-acoustics/floorst... to us mere humans they're probably not worth it(kind of an understatement as you can porsche for 1 of those speakers, not even a pair!!), but they are the best in the buisness. They have absolutely no competition, so people buy it and are satisfied, despite the fact they could have gotten a house for a quadret of those.
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November 17, 2010 4:32:20 AM

I can also tell you most of the time I don't even use my headphones despite the fact that my old heco speakers can't even compare. It's just your not always listening for the epitome of quality, sometimes you just want sound no matter what shape or size. I just use my headphones for gamning and ussually music. But however little you use headphones, let me tell there is nothing, aboslutely nothing that compares listening to an amazing song in uncompromised quality, the second you here those tones you'll know what you spent your money on.
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November 17, 2010 4:43:00 AM

No doubt there is some difference between top of the line, mid, and low, it is just top you can't tell the difference, and the soundcards on mobos, epecially somehing like a top of the line mobos, are going to be great, so you may not get soundblaster, but is 50$ or more worth the tiny bit of improvement? Have you used the top of the line stuff? I have, I am plagued with friends who spend millions of pounds, and don't listen to me....

Anyway can we not argue? I am feeling horrible about something.... A little depress and lethargic.....
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