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September 24, 2010 5:56:04 PM

Hi friends,

I would like to have some advice from you all regarding the above 2 DX11 GPU's. I will be buying a card for my system in about 30 days for sure.
I have posted it on this site some months back also but that time things weren't in my favour. Now i've got a new job and I am looking forward to get a card asap. Last time also the forum members helped me a lot. Hope to c ur responses soon.

Following are the details of PC.:
AMD Athlon 64 4200+ Dual core
Samsung 15" monitor(max res. 1152 x 768 pixels)
HDD Seagate 160GB
(n I am glad to tell that I bought a 1TB WD HDD_caviar green 2 weeks back)
Gigabyte S2 series motherboard_Nvidia_6100 onboard.
iBall music pulse_headphones(these too bought along HDD :D  )

Some of the Games I can play right now:
S.T.A.L.K.E.R:Shadow of Chernobyl
S.T.A.L.K.E.R:Clear Sky
S.T.A.L.K.E.R:Call of pripyat(playable in windowed mode :cry:  )
Doom 3
Call of Duty 4:Modern Warfare
Call of Duty 6:Modern Warfare 2(settings nead to be lowered :cry:  )

Some of the Games I have but the thing is they laugh out loud at my PC: :pfff: 

Bioshock
Mass Effect
AVP
ARMA-II
Crysis
Crysis Warhead
Just Cause 2
GTA IV
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I have read about both cards and would like to play games like Mass Effect2, crysis 2, bioshock 2,max payne 3,syberia 3,deus ex 3 on full settings atleast till 1600x1200 resolution. Right now can just play Farcry on full settings :pt1cable:  so please suggest and also if any other card is capable. My budget is till 12-13K excluding the price for a power supply.

More about : 5770 gtx 460

a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:03:06 PM

What currency are you using? 12k-13k as in US dollars? Are you planning to buy an entirely new computer?

If you're just looking for advice on picking up either an HD 5770 or GTX 460 for a monitor using a 1600x1200 resolution, then my choice would be the GTX 460 1GB. However, the CPU you have is rated at 2.2GHz, which might be a problem since it might end up holding you back in certain games. Try overclocking your Athlon if you want to see more consistent framerates when you purchase your new card.

And what is the power supply you have now?
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:03:10 PM

Sorry friend, those cards are overkill for your current PC.I suggest that you get a decent card for less than 100$ like the HD 5670 or GT 240 and get as much RAM as possible.Then save money and buy a new PC later on.
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a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:05:38 PM

skolpo said:
What currency are you using? 12k-13k as in US dollars? Are you planning to buy an entirely new computer?

If you're just looking for advice on picking up either an HD 5770 or GTX 460 for a monitor using a 1600x1200 resolution, then my choice would be the GTX 460 1GB. However, the CPU you have is rated at 2.2GHz, which might be a problem since it might end up holding you back in certain games. Try overclocking your Athlon if you want to see more consistent framerates when you purchase your new card.

And what is the power supply you have now?

I'm sure he lives in India 12-13K refers to INR.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:08:21 PM

"Samsung 15" monitor(max res. 1152 x 768 pixels)"

"I would like to play games on full settings at least at 1600x1200 resolution".

You'll need a new monitor first according to your own specs, and you say your budget is 12-13k.... 12-13k what? I assume you're not in the US, UK, or Canada.

HOWEVER, assuming you have a monitor that supports 1600x1200, both the 5770 and the 460 are EXCELLENT cards. Both offer extreme value per dollar, both run very well, both are getting decent support in multi-GPU configurations.

My honest opinion would be to go for the GTX 460 1gb version. You'll need the extra memory for higher resolutions, and the GTX 460 in SLi beats the 5770 in crossfire (and, that's the 768 mb 460 model beating the 1gb 5770 in crossfire).

Sources:

http://guru3d.com/article/powercolor-radeon-5770-single...

http://guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-sli-review/7
September 24, 2010 6:11:11 PM

Power supply is the generic one.I don't know how many watts. RAM is 2GB DDRII 667MHz.
currency is INR i.e.s Rs. 12000 - Rs. 13000
I was wondering I might get a reply regarding overkill. I plan to buy a new monitor too. Anyways if thats the case how about HD 5770,Its slower than GTX 460.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:15:18 PM

A 5770 would be fine. You're still definitely going to want to check on your PSU to see what amount of wattage is being put out in addition to the amperage. You might need to do a PSU and Monitor upgrade along with your GPU.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:15:42 PM

If you're going to get a new monitor and a new Graphics card along with it, you must do something about that CPU.It is pretty slow by today's standards.Unless you overclock ( but not on a generic PSU), you will not get any benefit from the latest Graphics cards.I would wait a few months, save more and get a new CPU.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:15:59 PM

Well, then you need a decent power supply to run either card. I'd recommend this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Go for the GTX 460 1GB IMO. Some games will benefit from having the better card. Also, what operating system are you running? If you have a 64-bit OS, getting more RAM wouldn't hurt.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:17:54 PM

skolpo said:
Well, then you need a decent power supply to run either card. I'd recommend this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Go for the GTX 460 1GB IMO. Some games will benefit from having the better card. Also, what operating system are you running? If you have a 64-bit OS, getting more RAM wouldn't hurt.

He has a five year old CPU that will bottleneck a 460, unless he overclocks it.And I don't think that Athlons from that time were good for overclocking.
a b U Graphics card
September 24, 2010 6:21:02 PM


Yes, I suggested overclocking in my original post. And if it can't overclock too well, then clearly he'll need a better system. But if he can get it to around 2.6 or 2.7GHz, the CPU won't be as much of a limit as it is now.
September 24, 2010 6:21:35 PM

yes i agree about HD 5770. but what I've read about it on various sites like overclockers,tomshardware,bit-tech,guru3d is that it can't face some of the mentioned games at 1600x1200 with a playable framerate.N considering I would be going for a monitor change too as soon as i get the GPU,I'll sure be hitting that resolution.
September 25, 2010 2:53:32 AM

then suggest a good gpu for the current setup.:-(
will a hd 4770 be requiring a power supply.but then its costly considering its not dx11 n a 5750 here is available for 7500 n 4770 for arnd 7k.i cant decide :-( plz help
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2010 3:07:33 AM

I'd suggest you get a new 5770 + power supply + a new athlon II 250(minimum) or a phenom X3 if its compatible...

You should be able to get that for your budget.

I recommend a OCZ 500w ModXstream for the PSU.

It might be a better idea to partition the 1TB drive into 33% OS 67% DATA and then use the 160 for DATA also.

This should greatly improve your PC.
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2010 3:20:02 AM

the XFX hd5770 is 9k in india and a corsair cx400 will cost 3k,total 12K
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2010 1:02:35 PM

jeetsm said:
then suggest a good gpu for the current setup.:-(
will a hd 4770 be requiring a power supply.but then its costly considering its not dx11 n a 5750 here is available for 7500 n 4770 for arnd 7k.i cant decide :-( plz help

Can you confirm that the motherboard in my link IS the one you have?If it is so, then there are not many upgrade options with it.
September 25, 2010 1:14:46 PM

Tamz_msc said:
Can you confirm that the motherboard in my link IS the one you have?If it is so, then there are not many upgrade options with it.


Yes u have hit the jackpot. ;)  i mean that's the motherboard i have it. hey dont be that hard,i mean there must be some options otherwise i would have to change the motherboard too. :whistle: 
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2010 1:22:52 PM

jeetsm said:
Yes u have hit the jackpot. ;)  i mean that's the motherboard i have it. hey dont be that hard,i mean there must be some options otherwise i would have to change the motherboard too. :whistle: 

As I said , the Phenom II x4 920 is the most powerful CPU that your motherboard supports.It might be difficult to find in India since its an old chip.If you plan to buy it, try to save more to include a PSU in your budget because 12000 rupees is not going to buy you much.
September 25, 2010 1:39:36 PM

decode said:
I'd suggest you get a new 5770 + power supply + a new athlon II 250(minimum) or a phenom X3 if its compatible...

You should be able to get that for your budget.

I recommend a OCZ 500w ModXstream for the PSU.

It might be a better idea to partition the 1TB drive into 33% OS 67% DATA and then use the 160 for DATA also.

This should greatly improve your PC.

:hello:  thanks thats a really nice pairing of things. considering it too :heink: 
September 25, 2010 1:44:32 PM

http://www.costtocost.in/list/pricelist.pdf


skolpo,Tamz_msc,borisof007,decode & Aneesh@4GHz , plz check the above link. Its a pdf file containing the prices. n tell me about the cpu to pair up with hd 5770. I liked it and wanted to buy it but now considering 460 so think of that too. cz seeing 5770's performance in metro2033 it won't last for more than a year n its already 1 year old.460 is fresh. :-)
September 25, 2010 1:48:42 PM

One more thing I agree with you all that choosing one of these cards might be an overkill but getting just an adequate card and then upgrading it again after some months wont also be any good.I can build my system around a powerful gpu when its still new. what do you all say to that??? :) 
a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2010 1:56:46 PM

That may be the better idea.

Purchase atleast a 460 1GB now, or wait until the 6770's are out and then re-evaluate what you wish to purchase. in this time you should have obtained more funds to start on a new build. I suggest going with a intel i7-760, However a AMD option would be cheaper, easier to upgrade and not significantly slower.
September 27, 2010 9:33:39 AM

hello all,
There are 2 versions of gtx 460 from Palit:
Palit GF GTX460 Sonic 1GB DDR-5
Palit GF GTX460 Sonic Platinum 1GB DDR-5
and 2 from Zotac:
Zotac Geforce GTX460 768MB DDR-5
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 460 1GB DDR-5

I am in favour of Zotac 1GB, what do you all guys think?

You can have a look at this link: http://www.lynx-india.com/index.php?ukey=search
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 9:35:33 AM

Are those the only GTX 460s that you can find?Couldn't you get the MSI GTX 460 Cyclone 1GB?If not, then I'd say Zotac.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 9:58:41 AM

Currently you can the HD5770 for 8000 INR to 8500 INR depending upon which city you are in India.

But considering your monitor is not upto the mark and its a 15 inch and HD5770 would be way too much overkill for it. For that you can get a HD5670 and get decent frame rate. But change the generic PSU for sure. You can have Corsair CX400 at around 2600 INR and VX450W at 3800 INR.

@Tamz_msc: MSI cards are a bit hard to find in India. Especially the special one's!
September 27, 2010 10:04:39 AM

HD 5770 is available for 8500 for the sapphire edition and for 8657/- for the XFX edition from nehru place in delhi(India). the above link is of an online site selling pc components and there the above GTX's are available.HD 5770's are a bit costlier over there. so. And haven't tried for MSI editions. don't know where to look. any suggestions for online buying in india would be a great help. :) 
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 10:16:03 AM

There is one shop in Nehru Place called SMC International, you can get your stuff there. They do sell at a reduced cost, i heard. Online shopping is a bust in India.
September 27, 2010 10:33:09 AM

@hell_storm2004 :wahoo:  thanks for that link. yes I have seen that shop I think, will ask them for this when i go there nx month for sure. Also m considering gtx 460 over 5770 for the fact that it has not got any vertex processors.and the bandwidth of gtx 460 is also 115Gb/s unlike 76Gb/s of 5770.so thought it to be slow. plz correct me if I am wrong.Don't know how the lack of vertex shaders will affect the 5770 in games to come and which are already out. :heink: 
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 10:45:19 AM

The GTX460 will be a good upgrade from the HD5770. But the thing is, your CPU may not be up to the mark and the PSU you would have to change.
September 27, 2010 11:37:04 AM

now how to overclock my AMD 4200+. I hvnt done any overclocking before. please guide. :o 
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 11:49:49 AM

For overclocking, you would need to do some reading. Also your PSU is not upto the mark for overclocking now. You would need to get a good PSU (must) and Cooler, TIM, and a case with good airflow to get started. Otherwise you may run into heating issues.
September 27, 2010 11:59:24 AM

is his mobo even capable of oc'ing?
September 27, 2010 12:00:53 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
For overclocking, you would need to do some reading. Also your PSU is not upto the mark for overclocking now. You would need to get a good PSU (must) and Cooler, TIM, and a case with good airflow to get started. Otherwise you may run into heating issues.

My cabinet is a long one and has ample room in it.ya I would get the PSU. will try to look for the one recommended in this discussion by one of the member.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 12:02:39 PM

Which cabinet do you have? Model?
September 27, 2010 12:04:36 PM

regarding motherboard , would be keeping it for 2-3 months till i change it.near december or jan nx year. will the hd 5770 or gtx 460 be fine with my motherboard GA-M61VME-S2 till that time.
September 27, 2010 12:08:19 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
Which cabinet do you have? Model?

:ouch:  don't know cabinet's model. moreover i can't go for overall system overhaul in one step.I'll have to slowly phase out the things. First things to come are a GPU(which I am badly in need for) and a PSU.
September 27, 2010 12:12:30 PM

good choice. I'm an ati fanboy, and I'm gonna tell you to get a 460 just cause I wasn't pleased with the 5770's performance. The 5850 is another matter though. However, that's not in your budget.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 12:28:10 PM

Since its a step by step process. You would have to deal with the choking of the GPU by the CPU. Till you get to a point where you have a balanced system. For now upgrade the two in question. And read about overclocking. There is an Overclocing section in this forum where you can get all the help you need. The GTX460 and the VX450W would run into something like 17000 INR.
September 27, 2010 12:39:49 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
Since its a step by step process. You would have to deal with the choking of the GPU by the CPU. Till you get to a point where you have a balanced system. For now upgrade the two in question. And read about overclocking. There is an Overclocing section in this forum where you can get all the help you need. The GTX460 and the VX450W would run into something like 17000 INR.

:pt1cable:  i wonder the GPU wont choke that much to hinder the games playability. nywys , yes you are right that comes to the price of a Xbox 360 :D  .I wonder I will be investing in the right thing to game. :D 
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 12:42:21 PM

Well the 15 inch monitor would help you out in that. :D 

The GTX460 is wayyyy too overkill for a 15inch monitor.
September 27, 2010 1:29:55 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
Well the 15 inch monitor would help you out in that. :D 

The GTX460 is wayyyy too overkill for a 15inch monitor.

:D  Yes, I want Crysis to be scared like hell and GTX 460 will make sure it does get scared. :D  :bounce: 
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 1:37:56 PM

Not too sure about Crysis. Almost all games find it difficult to make Crysis. Mostly all GPU's are scared of Crysis even now! :p 

Only a few single card solution tend to render Crysis well. One of them is the HD5970 and its not a card its a beast.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU/88

Check this out.

Oh... when you are getting the GTX460, get the 1GB version.
September 27, 2010 1:51:18 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
Not too sure about Crysis. Almost all games find it difficult to make Crysis. Mostly all GPU's are scared of Crysis even now! :p 

Only a few single card solution tend to render Crysis well. One of them is the HD5970 and its not a card its a beast.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU/88

Check this out.

Oh... when you are getting the GTX460, get the 1GB version.

:D  GTX 460 is 7 times powerful than HD 5970........ :pfff:  atleast in one scenario.i.e., minimum frame rate at 2560x1600_gamer quality_enthusiast shaders_4xAA for crysis warhead.Hd 5970 is at 1.8 and GTX 460 is at 12.1. :bounce: 
September 27, 2010 1:56:40 PM

your CPU will bottleneck it.
BTW, gtx 460 is powerful than 5770 and I also recommend you to have a descent power supply atleast of 600W and a descent quad core processor.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 6:00:27 PM

Why would he need a 600W PSU...

OP, stick with your plans.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 6:37:53 PM

You do not need the 1gb version, it will give you 5fps more in games then the 768mb version. If you care about those frames then get the 1gb version.
And you also do not need a quad core. You can buy a triple core that is cheaper and scales better then a dual core when it comes to games.
a c 273 U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 7:25:06 PM

ATi RaDEoN said:
your CPU will bottleneck it.
BTW, gtx 460 is powerful than 5770 and I also recommend you to have a descent power supply atleast of 600W and a descent quad core processor.


A GTX460 only needs a 450 - 500w PSU and as most games still only use one core and two at most with a few rare exceptions, you're talking cobblers.
September 28, 2010 8:57:01 AM

oh... 768mb but i have read that more video mem is required at high resolutions.????n yup will try to look for a faster processor which my board supports currently.
can u people check this link http://www.costtocost.in/list/pricelist.pdf
and tell me which processor i can opt for the current board of mine.
!