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November 17, 2010 8:22:09 PM

Hi everyone, I'm looking at building a gaming PC with a budget of $1600-1700. I've got parts lined up and am looking to purchase by the end of the month, just want to see if anyone sees any bottlenecks or improvements that can be made. I know my way around a computer pretty well, but have never built my own before. Here are the specs:

Approximate Purchase Date: next 2 weeks

Budget Range: 1600-1700 After Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies, coding, etc.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: Intel X58 CPU, full tower, ATX

Overclocking: Yes in the future (need to just get it running first)

SLI or Crossfire: Yes also in the future, need to get more $ for another graphics card

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200

Additional Comments: n/a

Parts: (have them arranged in bundles I've selected to save $)

Case: HAF X
Processor: Intel core i7-950 @ 3.06GHz
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU: ASUS GTX580 1.5 GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200rpm
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU: Corsair HX Series CMPSU-1000HX (want to have enough power for two GTX 580s in the future)
RAM: Corsair Dominator 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Optical Drive: Samsung Black Blu-ray combo drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total Cost: ~$1700+/- $20 for shipping

Let me know what you think, and thanks for the help!
November 18, 2010 12:24:12 AM

I'd go with crossfired GTX 470s, thats well over the performance of one 580 at a lower price point (many cards are now <$250)
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November 18, 2010 12:35:36 AM

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I'd go with crossfired GTX 470
He said he wanted to do another, so dropping to TWO lower quality cards would be pointless..... also, it is called SLI


Also, I want you to go on your way with a SSD... anything from Mushkin, I advise this one Mushkin SSD (60gig) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ~ 129.99

That is the only thing I have to add, maybe drop the Blu-ray, or not get windows 7 professional? or maybe wait for 6900 series to comeo ut?

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November 18, 2010 1:01:33 AM

You are going to want something other than stock cooling for your system even without overclocking, Trust me. First time you run a stress test to check stability it will cancel within 5 minuets. Choice is do you want to put the good one in first or start small and work up to an overclocking cooler?> And Air or Water? As for the SSD I would probably go with the Crucial C300 CTFDDAA064MAG-1G1 1.8" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) from Newegg for $130. Might as well take advantage of the S-ata III ports you're getting. Or here's a page to chose from. Or save it for an upgrade.
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November 18, 2010 2:17:51 AM

Thanks, fixed the link - I was trying to match your price for $130 not $200 :lol:  I like the crucial better because it has a much faster read speed. The Muskin is up to 285MB/s read and the Crucial is up to 355MB/s read. I do like the writes better on the Muskin but read is speed and write is only as fast as you can.
Don't be scared of liquid - Be Careful Works better and is usually quieter. I have a Domino ALC for $80 bucks but I can Overclock my 965 from 3.2 to 3.785 and during stress tests in an ambient temp of 73*F my board runs just under 80*C for 2 hours. It's a factory sealed unit so no muss no fuss and is as easy to install as any air, PLUS no strain on the motherboard since it's just a waterblock not a big gaping radiator with 1 or 2 120mm cooling fans pulling on the mobo!!
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November 18, 2010 2:36:21 AM

Don't listen to Suteck no offense... The Domino Alc is a piece of crap, it's the worst CoolIT product. I'm telling you right now. Those closed looped water cooling devices are all not REAL water cooling... If you want real water cooling, your going to have to fork up. 200$ for just a CPU loop + a block. It's not worth it unless you have 2000$+ budget imo.

BTW just fyi, "285 mb/s" is not the real read speeds... You don't see the real read speeds of just 217 mb/s until you look at some reviews.. Those are just manufacturers perfect drives, not out of the blue drives they just picked at random.

Source: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/mushkin_callist...
Not saying the Mushkin is bad... But it's just not as you said.

At that price I recommend this SSD, the A-Data S599, it has a newer SF controller and is really fast as well.. 15$ cheaper than the Mushkin Callisto 60gb as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Great reviews on it, plus great read and write speeds. Faster than the Callisto for a cheaper price.

Source: http://www.guru3d.com/article/adata-s599-100gb-ssd-revi...
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November 18, 2010 2:45:12 AM

BTW Water cooling with closed loops is hardly "quiet" the H70 another closed loop "water cooling" heatsink, runs at 45-50 dBa, that is the same dBa as the Hyper 212+. The Domino is quieter, but at 40 dBa.... If you stick two noctuas on the hyper 212+ it's cheaper, doesn't have chance to leak and you'll still get low temps.

Anyway total I suggest you don't build this now, with that kind of budget it'll be worth waiting for Cayman and Sandy Bridge, which is dropping December, and Sandy bridge in January. All is set in stone for the release dates. SB is expected 2x from the current gen of i7's and Cayman is expected to be on par with the 580. Probably running cooler and and lower power consumption.

SB: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-pre...

Cayman is expected to be on par with the 580 because Cayman is expected to be 50% better than the 6870. Plus with the 6xxx new scalling you should expect 190% with 2 Caymans in CF. That's GREAT! Soo... IMO wait.
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November 18, 2010 3:27:11 AM

Don't know what you mean about the ALC. I gave the specs (except for it being an a Asus P6T SE mobo) and performance I'm getting out of it sitting on another rig right next to me. Looks pretty real to me. Temps. are great to for a 0 .58 GHz overclock with a 0.24 voltage increase. Just because I didn't spend >$200 on it doesn't mean it's not real water cooling. And no TEC to crap out on you and burn it up. And mine runs pretty quiet. The second setting, which is what I use when not stress testing, is barely 19D dBa's and that's pretty quiet.
And I voted for the Crucial, Yes, I quoted specs out of the newegg sellers pages for both SSD's that comes from the factory as optimum performance expectancies. The SSD you're suggesting also says 280 read according to the newegg page but that's not the read speeds that are on the review, (not to mention that the review you're linking to is not even for the SSD you're suggesting, just in the family so to speak),. The review you point to says 207, probably what the others are capable of. If your curious here's a link that is also not quite what is suggested above by me for the Crucial but is the same family like yours' is. And the read speeds are way faster than the ADATA. I looked at the other reviews for the drives suggested before I mentioned them, did you? Did you see the writes of ~225 MB/sec sustainable and the reads of 375 MB/sec sustainable on the Crucial C300 before you commented?
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"BTW just fyi, "285 mb/s" is not the real read speeds... You don't see the real read speeds of just 217 mb/s until you look at some reviews"
Sorry, no offense, but did you?
And what does this mean? "not out of the blue drives they just picked at random."?
So yes, for the OP - I stand behind both my earlier suggestions of the Domino for light to moderate overclocking CPU cooler AND the Crucial SSD
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November 18, 2010 3:30:06 AM

Good call on the CPU cooler, I thought I could make it with a stock cooler, but I've checked into it some and it seems I'll need something other than stock. Yeah, I wanted a SSD but it would put me over budget. I'm thinking I'll start with the HD then add an SSD once I get the cash for it. Thanks for those SSD suggestions though, the ones I was looking at were more expensive and it wouldn't take too long for me to scrape up $115-130. Windows 7 Pro was only $10 more because of a bundle deal I could get, so I figured why not. And I need the Blu-ray player because I'll be using it to play movies on my TV as well.

Do you think the 6970 will be good enough to wait on over the GTX 580? It's been getting good reviews, and SLI already typically scales better than Crossfire...With regard to the Sandy Bridge, I don't know if I can wait that long. I'm hoping to take advantage of some deals here around holiday season, if I wait till January they'll all probably be gone.
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November 18, 2010 3:37:03 AM

Yeah, I have to agree with aznshinob on those cards. They will be worth the wait in performance, cooling and power consumption.
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November 18, 2010 4:54:53 AM

The Domino is mixed results, you may have gotten a good one. But if you refer to a Vantage ALC giveaway from CoolIT on THG. They themselves admit the Domino was a failure, because the Success to fail ration was more fail than success. From most reviews I've seen and heard about, the Domino (even CoolIT agrees) was a failed product because it leaked in most builds (not all) and was pretty loud if it didn't leak. Yours may be a good one but not all were.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262018-29-vantage-adv...

CoolITSusan: "You are right - factory-sealed coolers can leak. Anything liquid inside of your computer has the potential to leak. Unfortunately CoolIT had a bad run with one lot of our Domino ALC product a year or two ago, where the product ended up leaking inside of some customer's cases."

Umm as for dBa I just did a quick google search and some based on Newegg reviews. A quick google showed one guy on Overclocker.org getting 40dBa on performance mode.

Umm... The 6970 will follow the Barts lineup, the Barts lineup has 90% scaling so... they probably will scale well like the Barts Pro and Barts XT. Umm the savings during the season will probably not be so cheap, CPU's generally don't get SUPER cheap just because its the holidays.
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November 18, 2010 12:58:21 PM

Dang I finally get a good part and can't brag about it :non:  Oh well, it's the planted idea that watercooling can be simple to start with without breaking the bank. And yes of course there's always the possibility of leaking. I didn't mean to give the impression that they never leak - just that the possibility is less with a factory sealed unit.
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