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September 27, 2010 7:30:38 AM

Hey guys I recently upgraded to a new video card from a geforce 210. I purchased this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The next day this came out

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Did I make the right choice for gaming? Specifically for World of Warcraft. Please don't start talking about a CPU upgrade as I have been through those threads already.
Which card out performs the other? I can't find benchmarks of the two vsing eachother
a c 189 U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 7:54:33 AM

Either card are good, don't worry about that... :) 
September 27, 2010 8:10:17 AM

From what I can tell, the GTS450 has 192 Processor Cores and the Radeon 5750 has 720 Stream Processing Units. That seems to be a huge number difference and possibly performance? I don't really understand what processor cores do. :S
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a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 9:09:17 AM

the gts450 is better then the 5750 in terms of performance but not sure about the low profile versions. im interested in knowing how big your power supply is.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 9:55:21 AM

from a review ive seen, the 5750 low profile version is up to 5 fps slower then the normal 5750 but i cant find any gts450 low profile reviews. there is a gainward gts 450 low profile coming out soon aswell if you dont like palit.

these 2 cards are the best low profile graphics cards out at the moment, i have a feeling the gts 450 low profile is slightly faster then the 5750, plus im guessing it overclocks better aswell. maybe the rumoured gts455 will have a low profile version and i thought powercolor were also releasing a low profile 5770. theres also the 6000 series coming out soon.
September 27, 2010 10:01:55 AM

Either way the palit will do just fine for World of Warcraft Cataclysm right? Just for the fx, I know the frame rate is mostly based on cpu. I heard a decent video card is all you need to turn on the new water details and shadow. I won't be playing crysis or anything.
September 27, 2010 10:11:47 AM

So did I jump the gun too soon or is the gts 450 a good card compared to these others?
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 10:26:40 AM

Oops, didn't read infernox's post, I repeated his info.

The 450 is good what resolution are you gaming on?
September 27, 2010 10:44:10 AM

Im running WoW at 1280 720 P on ultra with very low shadows getting about 10-15 fps in raids on a

phenom x3 tri core 2.1 ghz
8 gigs DDR2 1066 mhz Ram
Asus Geforce 210 512 mb 64 bit video card

Will I see improvments in frame rate if I go 1920x1080 1080p screen rez with the gts 450? If I try to go 1920+ screen rez now with this current card, I get like 10 fps standing around by myself. And in Cataclysm beta, if I turn the new water effects on above low, I get 10 fps, and shadows above fair... 10 fps. Ground density above fair, 10 fps lol.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 12:09:14 PM

The 450 is much better, don't go on full HD though.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 1:02:33 PM

a massive improvement to the geforce 210. you could play it on full settings on 1280x720 i think.
September 27, 2010 1:44:33 PM

I would be happy with full settings at 1280 honestly, the 1920x1080 1080p can wait till I pick up a new mobo and core i7, or a amd 965BE. Not sure just yet but would these specs run cata at full hd 1920x1080?

Amd 965BE 3.4 ghz
8 GB DDR2 1066 mhz ram
Geforce GTS 450 with some OC (Low profile edition)

Would that do cataclysm just fine with max screen rez and settings?
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 3:37:13 PM

i dont know as blizzard havent said anything about the system requirements but that should run the lich king on max settings and resolution.
September 27, 2010 4:03:06 PM

I don't honestly seeing it really get any better than that, 3.4 ghz quad core is pretty powerful, correct me if I am wrong but what is the fastest cpu to this date for gaming?
September 27, 2010 4:35:09 PM

I hav used some 5000 series HD cards.I'd say they hav enhanced picture nd video quality a lot but in terms of gaming performance these are not that big.Their 4000 series counterparts are proving better.Moreover even with higher specs these cards are falling short to their nvidia counterparts.
One such e.g. is Nvidia gt 240 ddr5(3.4 Gb/s data rate,54.4GB/s bandwidth,550Mhz core clock) gives slightly better gaming performance than HD 5570 ddr5(3.6-4.0Gb/s data rate,57.6+Gb/s bandwidth,650Mhz core clock)
So I personally believe we have to wait till 6x series comes out b4 opting 4 ATI HD cards
thx....
a c 376 U Graphics card
a b Ý World of Warcraft
September 27, 2010 4:44:58 PM

Anik8 said:
Moreover even with higher specs these cards are falling short to their nvidia counterparts.
One such e.g. is Nvidia gt 240 ddr5(3.4 Gb/s data rate,54.4GB/s bandwidth,550Mhz core clock) gives slightly better gaming performance than HD 5570 ddr5(3.6-4.0Gb/s data rate,57.6+Gb/s bandwidth,650Mhz core clock)

This is meaningless. You could say the reverse by using the HD5670 as the comparison. Basically nothing you said is true.
a b U Graphics card
September 27, 2010 7:22:11 PM

Anik8 said:
I hav used some 5000 series HD cards.I'd say they hav enhanced picture nd video quality a lot but in terms of gaming performance these are not that big.Their 4000 series counterparts are proving better.Moreover even with higher specs these cards are falling short to their nvidia counterparts.
One such e.g. is Nvidia gt 240 ddr5(3.4 Gb/s data rate,54.4GB/s bandwidth,550Mhz core clock) gives slightly better gaming performance than HD 5570 ddr5(3.6-4.0Gb/s data rate,57.6+Gb/s bandwidth,650Mhz core clock)
So I personally believe we have to wait till 6x series comes out b4 opting 4 ATI HD cards
thx....


did you mean the nvidia 400 series? if so the gt240 is in the 200 series not the 400. your probably right in guessing that the gt440 will be better then the 5570/5670 since the gt240 is close to the 5670 in performance.
September 28, 2010 1:17:50 AM

I am going to overhaul my mobo and cpu soon when I got the cash, I don't know if I will keep the gts 450 in my new build, we will see how it performs. As soon as it arrives I will tell you guys how well it does if you have any interests. Keep in mind tho, tri core 2.1 ghz proc. :S
September 28, 2010 2:15:06 PM

@ infernox_01

you got me wrong

I meant ATI 4000 series
and that ATI 5000 series cards are less good a gaming performer than ATI 4000 series

@jyjjy

but I got that info from somewhere here and some other sites,and it is like 5570 gives better visual performance but proves to be less fast than a GT 240 ddr5
You have one thread in here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/291296-33-upgrade-557...

and here
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...

and d comparison you r making with 5670 can't fit coz GT 240 and 5670 don't belong to the same chart for comparison which you can agn check here
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-rad...

So a layman can understand whether my statements are true or false.
thx

a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2010 3:34:12 PM

i dont see how that works, the 5570 is better then the 4670. the 4670 was released in the same generation as the gt240.

the articles you have posted compare the ddr3 version of the 5570 against the gddr5 version of the gt240. as you can see here the gddr5 version of the 5570 is faster then the ddr3 version and is pretty equal to the gt240 (wins some, loses some).

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-5550-radeon-hd-...



September 28, 2010 6:13:45 PM

Also to mention between the Palit GTS 450 low pro vs the Powercolor 5750 low pro, the GTS 450 came with Civilization 5 which is a free $50 dollar game that won some awards, wonder if it's any good. Also I noticed the 5750 low pro comes with a low profile bracket and the GTS 450 does not? Will I be able to use straight out of the box?
a c 376 U Graphics card
a b Ý World of Warcraft
September 28, 2010 6:53:14 PM

Anik8 said:
@jyjjy

but I got that info from somewhere here and some other sites,and it is like 5570 gives better visual performance but proves to be less fast than a GT 240 ddr5
You have one thread in here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/291296-33-upgrade-557...

and here
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...

and d comparison you r making with 5670 can't fit coz GT 240 and 5670 don't belong to the same chart for comparison which you can agn check here
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-rad...

So a layman can understand whether my statements are true or false.
thx

Do you understand that the last chart specifically segregates the cards into tiers by performance? The point of having them in the same tier is to tell you their performance is pretty similar. Saying you can't compare the GT 240 with the HD5670 specifically because it is in fact faster and then making broad declarations about ATI vs Nvidia as a result of a different comparison where the performance difference is tiny is simply baffling and has no worthwhile logic behind it at all.
Also any comparison of the HD4000 series vs HD5000 needs to take into account that in general the HD5000 cards are smaller, cooler, more power efficient, DX11 compatible, support 3 monitors and have more advanced A/V features.
a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2010 7:14:13 PM

im pretty sure the palit gts450 comes with a low profile bracket. thats the whole point of the card. according to this image from the newegg link in your original post, it comes with an extra bracket and a pci-e to molex adapter.

September 29, 2010 3:27:25 AM

I don't understand what the bracket is for, I mean the card is small for a reason right? Is the metal bracket ring interchangeable to fit in a slim or full tower case? That means you can take it to full tower or low profile tower? Sorry this is my first low profile system.
a c 376 U Graphics card
a b Ý World of Warcraft
September 29, 2010 3:34:30 AM

Yes, low profile cards usually come with two brackets; one for a low profile system, the other for a full size system so that the card will work in any computer.
September 29, 2010 4:59:32 AM

So if the company didn't include one and I am assuming each one is specific for each card via the outputs and placement on them, how do companies get away with no including the bracket? Or is the bracket I am assuming the full tower version that is not always included?
a c 376 U Graphics card
a b Ý World of Warcraft
September 29, 2010 8:49:28 AM

Is there a specific card you are referring to that doesn't come with both brackets?
September 29, 2010 9:11:48 AM

I have just read before some cards don't come with low profile brackets, like for a certain example the 5750 on the newegg page before you click the product, it comes with a free low profile bracket. Assuming some cost money or not included? I was wondering no specific card in mind just speaking my mind learning stuff :D 
a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 11:55:18 AM

i think most low profile cards come with a low profile bracket otherwise there is no use for them. just checked on newegg and 5 out of 133 low profile cards do not come with a low profile bracket.
September 29, 2010 12:18:56 PM

Hmm, odd, but does make alot of sence, since they are low profile cards and you need a low profile bracket for them to fit. Hehe :p 
a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 12:58:38 PM

well you could put them in a normal sized pc but i see no point really. normal height cards are usually a few fps faster and can use larger fans which reduces the noise. low profile cards could help if the case is cramped plus they use slightly less power aswell.
September 30, 2010 3:07:10 AM

The system upgrade is a bust at the moment. The booster to power the video card requires a 4 pinn molex and the PSU I am using does not even have 1!!! WTF? The booster is plugged into the wall for power and using a 1 6 pinn connector to the video and it needs a 4 pinn molex from PSU? That just blew this whole upgrade up in my face. Now I have to look at getting a new case and mobo and cpu... and I will be using a low profile video card in a large case with a 5x booster I didn't really need. I was going for a gaming rig, but now I am just spending money in the wrong places and wasting time. This is highly irritating. Thanks dell for adding no molex connectors to your shitty 546st models psu's to fit your custom piece of crap design.
a c 376 U Graphics card
a b Ý World of Warcraft
September 30, 2010 3:11:49 AM

Does it have the Dell PSU have any free connectors? There may be an adapter for molex. I think the other PSU just uses the molex as a signal for when to turn on/off.
September 30, 2010 3:20:51 AM

Do you think Radio shack carries them so I could purchase one in town and not wait 3 days for it to ship?
September 30, 2010 3:25:04 AM

I am not sure what end of the sata is on the power supply, I am assumings its a female? And the booster needs a male end right?
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 10:05:55 AM

wow that sucks. im currently using a dell inspiron 530s which comes with a 250w power supply. using a HD5570 on it so i had no issues.
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