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ATI 6xxx Delayed

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a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 2:48:58 AM

bummer
a c 171 U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 2:52:23 AM

maybe they will drop 5xxx prices now...
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a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 2:59:55 AM

I can't believe this!
That is a bad economical decision!
Even though my birthday is in November(sigh)
Maybe I'll get a GPU present from the wife.
a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 3:04:44 AM

Shadow...
I thought you were a Moderator??
a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 3:10:57 AM

It's not delayed because it never had an official release date.

The 14th of October is a press event for the cards, with the cards themselves being released on 25th according to people who normally know. Most sites have always claimed this is nothing more than a paper launch and full availability won't be until November.

We're looking at end October to mid November as always.
a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 3:27:07 AM

plznote said:
Shadow...
I thought you were a Moderator??

LOL! That would be randomizer. He and I have the same avatar. We are clones.

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It's not delayed because it never had an official release date.

Good point. I guess you could say that the release/launch date got delayed.. if that's even possible...
a c 171 U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 4:51:05 AM

At first I was worried, but a month or so isn't the end of the world. What I am worried about is 40nm supply. If the 5xxx and GTX cards are on 40nm, is there enough room to launch the 6xxx cards? Will AMD and Nvidia be able to cut the prices of the old cards at all? I sort of get the feeling that the supply and prices issue we see now might continue until GF can get their plants online.
a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 1:05:04 PM

Oh wow... how come I didn't see it?
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 1:22:46 PM

Too much catnip? :whistle:  :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
September 29, 2010 9:27:20 PM

^ Nah... I think it's the piece of Unobtanium that badge hid in my room...
September 29, 2010 10:19:01 PM

It doesn't matter, even 6770 released on time its performance/price wont better than GTX 460 at that time.
a c 171 U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 12:31:17 AM

And you would know how? I haven't seen any prices or performance data so I don't see how you can claim this. Consider the following.

If they cut a shader out of each block, the chip could easily be 80% of the 5xxx size. This would allow AMD to get more chips per wafer, and drop the price. The 5830 compares will with the GTX460 but costs a bit to much. If the 6750 performs as well as the 5830 but is cheaper, then even the GTX460 could lose its luster.
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 12:50:14 AM

Didn't FUD disprove this?
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20331-hd-6000-ser...

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Update: Minutes after posting the story we were informed by some people in the know that the launch will indeed go ahead as planned. We can expect some fresh and tasty Radeons in two weeks, but mass availability should probably be expected sometime in November. As for Nvidia's price cuts, well it's not like they have much choice.
a c 172 U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 1:40:25 AM

:lol:  :kaola: 
a c 171 U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 6:37:56 AM

How do you disprove a rumor? The only way is to wait for X to actually happen and then see if it was right. I heard a rumor that the 6770 was going to be so fast that it was going to rip the fabric of space/time and your games were going to be done playing before you even started. Disprove that.

Even if you accept FUD they both say the same thing more or less. If you want to buy one, you're going to have to wait until Nov.
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 9:14:31 AM

4745454b said:
How do you disprove a rumor? The only way is to wait for X to actually happen and then see if it was right. I heard a rumor that the 6770 was going to be so fast that it was going to rip the fabric of space/time and your games were going to be done playing before you even started. Disprove that.


:lol: 
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 11:21:08 PM

yanje03 said:
It doesn't matter, even 6770 released on time its performance/price wont better than GTX 460 at that time.


I think maybe we should know the price of the 6770 before we make statements like this.


about the rips in space/time this has already been confirmed last year ...but was hushed by the government
a b U Graphics card
September 30, 2010 11:33:28 PM

yanje03 said:
It doesn't matter, even 6770 released on time its performance/price wont better than GTX 460 at that time.

Please break your NDA, since youre connected with such knowledge.
Giving your opinion should have some facts to back them up
Even FUaD does this
September 30, 2010 11:37:44 PM

spentshells said:
I think maybe we should know the price of the 6770 before we make statements like this.


about the rips in space/time this has already been confirmed last year ...but was hushed by the government


I think I already told everyone AMD wont release its 6000 on Oct few weeks ago and not many people listen. nVidia market strategy is grabbing market share back in half year. They could sell 460 $10 if 6770 sell for $30. Intel & nVidia have power to do price war but not AMD. AMD has learned this lessen hardly one year ago. As 2nd market position AMD has to be tech in advance otherwise just run business without gaining money.
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 12:05:20 AM

4745454b said:
How do you disprove a rumor? The only way is to wait for X to actually happen and then see if it was right. I heard a rumor that the 6770 was going to be so fast that it was going to rip the fabric of space/time and your games were going to be done playing before you even started. Disprove that.

Even if you accept FUD they both say the same thing more or less. If you want to buy one, you're going to have to wait until Nov.

Point is lots of people take the rumor to be the truth, just saying that it may not be delayed after all.

Regardless, AMD/ATI should push the launch as early as they can IMO, even if the first batch is quantity limited. The launch should at least stall the market, which pulls market interest towards AMD/ATI. But that's just me.
a c 171 U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 12:34:20 AM

Nah, I'm tired of the old days where card is "launched", only to have parts show up months later. AMD and Nvidia have done an excellent job shipping products when they are launched. I don't want to go back to the old ways, but that's just me;)
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 12:56:53 AM


'You want some new cards ?'
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 1:02:23 AM

a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 1:03:11 AM

We can all wait another couple weeks cant we?
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 1:06:43 AM

I really want them to launch it soon.
I really want to see a sub 200 dollar 460 1GB then I need to see some sort of deal on said card
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 1:11:56 AM

Me too
And the 6xxx series priced to compete as well
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 1:50:25 AM

Does that mean the gtx 460 is now 30% cheaper compared to release price in the US?
October 1, 2010 4:41:23 PM

eyefinity said:
Does that mean the gtx 460 is now 30% cheaper compared to release price in the US?


just like I said few weeks ago, 460 has tons of room to cut the price and do the price war with AMD. if you have both 460 and 5850, you will notice the weight/size difference. 460 use much less components to make one card. GPU is just like CD, you can say it cost $200 or say it cost $5, but components price always be there. if 5850 use 30% more components to make one card its material cost will be 30% more.
a c 171 U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 4:50:14 PM

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if 5850 use 30% more components to make one card its material cost will be 30% more.


Not quite. It might need 30% more materials, but if those are cheap materials the BOM might be the same for both cards. Let me use a totally bogus example. Lets pretend that the 5850 uses 30% more resisters and capacitors compared to the GTX460. That doesn't mean it will cost 30% more $$$ because those parts are very cheap.

You also completely ignored die size. Who cares if card X has more tiny parts attached to it if the die is 80% bigger then card y and has 33% more transistors? That will cost much more then a few resisters.
a b U Graphics card
October 1, 2010 5:55:56 PM

Only time weight or material could become an issue is if a card required a huge copper cooler due to high power consumption. Since neither card has/needs this, weight is not a good judge of cost. The components that cost the most on a normal GPU are very lightweight.
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