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November 24, 2010 2:08:31 AM

Ok guys, so I'm finally going to set out to build myself a high end intel gaming PC. This will be my first time so I'm going to need ALOT of help from you guys. Thanks in advance for all the help I will be getting!

My build isn't finalized yet because in many categories, I have more than one options. Please help me pick out the best options for my build, and if there are BETTER parts other than the ones I've listed, please feel obligated to mention them to me.


All of the parts, other than the CPU, are from NEWEGG. The CPU is from Microcenter.

CPU:
Intel Core i7 950 Processor - $199.99

GPU: The question is GeForce or Radeon.. I saw Geforce being used more frequently so I went with GeForce. Good choice?
EVGA 012-P3-1470-AR GeForce GTX 470 $259.99
EVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 $269.99

MOBO: As for motherboards, I prefer ASUS, but I've seen many people on here recommending the Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD8A. What would be the better choice for me?
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R $209.99
ASUS Rampage III Gene $239.99
ASUS Rampage III Formula $299.99
ASUS Sabertooth X58 $199.99

HDD: I really think Samsung Spinpoint dominates the HDD market. I'm pretty sure I've made a very good choice picking this HDD over others.
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB 5400 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s $79.99

RAM: Ram basically comes down to Corsair or G.Skill. I think Corsair is more popular and I've seen many good reviews for them as well. But, the Corsair I listed is $40 more expensive than the G.Skill. Which one would you pick?
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $149.99
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $109.99

PSU: In my opinion, Corsair basically dominates the PSU market. Thus, I picked 2 Corsair PSUs. Will I be fine with the 650W or should I go with 750W?
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W $109.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W $89.99

Case: Just came across NZXT cases today and man, those cases are good looking!(They resemble Alienwares) They also have good reviews so I might as well go with them, huh? Do I really need a Full Tower for a Core i7 System or would a Mid Tower be big enough?
NZXT Phantom PHAN-001WT White Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower $139.99
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower $69.99



I won't be getting a SSD yet since I'm low on budget. I also don't plan on going SLi just yet because the games and programs I use don't really require that much power.

I'll be here in front of my screen so that I can respond to your comments ASAP. Thanks a bunch for all who helps!

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November 24, 2010 2:28:01 AM

Mobo - ASUS Sabertooth X58 would be a very good choice if not overclocking very high(4GHz+)

RAM - Get this one -
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C7 G
It has CAS 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Get the 750TX - Opens up the SLI/ Crossfire option

Video card - The GTX 470 is a pretty good option, you can check out even the HD 6870
http://www.buy.com/prod/xfx-hd-687a-znfc-radeon-hd-6870...

CASE - Even I like the Phantom
http://www.walmart.com/ip/NZXT-Phantom-Crafted-Series-A...
http://www.directron.com/phan001bk.html

HDD - Are you getting any other HDD/ SSD for boot ?
The one you have chosen is a 5400RPM, which would be very good as a data drive, but for a boot drive, you would need something faster - Samsung F3 500GB/ 1TB
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November 24, 2010 2:37:30 AM

gkay09 said:
Mobo - ASUS Sabertooth X58 would be a very good choice if not overclocking very high(4GHz+)

RAM - Get this one -
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C7 G
It has CAS 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Get the 750TX - Opens up the SLI/ Crossfire option

Video card - The GTX 470 is a pretty good option, you can check out even the HD 6870
http://www.buy.com/prod/xfx-hd-687a-znfc-radeon-hd-6870...

CASE - Even I like the Phantom
http://www.walmart.com/ip/NZXT-Phantom-Crafted-Series-A...
http://www.directron.com/phan001bk.html

HDD - Are you getting any other HDD/ SSD for boot ?
The one you have chosen is a 5400RPM, which would be very good as a data drive, but for a boot drive, you would need something faster - Samsung F3 500GB/ 1TB



Mobo: I have never overclocked before but I read alot of stuff about it. From what I know, overclocking gets hotter as you overclock higher. If this is true, then I really wouldn't want to overclock too high. How much can I overclock with the Asus Sabertooth?

Ram: What would be the difference between the Corsair I picked and the Corsair you recommended? They are both labeled with "The ultimate Intel X58 Core i7 performance memory." It seems like mine is about $40 more expensive but with higher speed, etc. Is the ones you recommended better value for the money?

PSU: Oh I see. What is the minimum requirements to use SLi/Crossfire?

GPU: I'm really torn between the GeForce and Radeon because I don't know the difference between the two. They are basically the 2 different companies that makes GPUs and the GPUs from both companies are matched at a price depending on its performance level, right? So are they basically the same except the brand name?

HDD: I'm not getting any HDD or SSD for boot as of yet. However, I do have plans to add an SSD to my build later down the road. Should I still get a faster HDD to serve as my data drive? Also, would the HDD / SSD used for boot basically be used for opening up programs? To run it?

Oh, and thanks alot for saving me like $20 on shipping for the Phantom. Newegg charges around $20 for its shipping fee but walmart doesn't!
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November 24, 2010 2:47:21 AM

Mobo - Overclocking would increase the temps of the CPU, but with the right cooling(a good aftermarket CPU cooler)
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-B10-212P-G1-Univ...
you wont have to worry about it...
Also with the Sabertooth you can easily overclock upto 4GHz+(IMO 3.6-3.8GHz is the best overclock as anything above wont offer significant performance increase to the power consumed)
As you would just try simple overclocks, the Sabertooth would be a better option as not only it comes with good features, but also has 5 years warranty...

RAM - The Dominators are more oriented towards enthusiast overclocking, so for a normal overclock, you wont find any advantage using the Domniators over the regular XMS series...
As for the speed - Even though it has higher speed, but has CAS 8, whereas the one that I linked has lower speed but CAS7(In general lower the CAS the better) so if you loosen the CAS to 8, then even the RAM that I linked is capable of running at higher speeds), so they would basically perform similar, so it is obviously a better value for money RAM...
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November 24, 2010 2:54:03 AM

gkay09 said:
Mobo - Overclocking would increase the temps of the CPU, but with the right cooling(a good aftermarket CPU cooler)
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-B10-212P-G1-Univ...
you wont have to worry about it...
Also with the Sabertooth you can easily overclock upto 4GHz+(IMO 3.6-3.8GHz is the best overclock as anything above wont offer significant performance increase to the power consumed)
As you would just try simple overclocks, the Sabertooth would be a better option as not only it comes with good features, but also has 5 years warranty...

RAM - The Dominators are more oriented towards enthusiast overclocking, so for a normal overclock, you wont find any advantage using the Domniators over the regular XMS series...
As for the speed - Even though it has higher speed, but has CAS 8, whereas the one that I linked has lower speed but CAS7(In general lower the CAS the better) so if you loosen the CAS to 8, then even the RAM that I linked is capable of running at higher speeds), so they would basically perform similar, so it is obviously a better value for money RAM...


I feel like I have a computer tutor sitting next to me answering all my rubbish questions.. Thank you very much!

Mobo: You couldn't have explained more thoroughly. I made up my mind to go with the Asus Sabertooth!

RAM: How high would average overclocking enthusiasts overclock their CPU?
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November 24, 2010 3:15:12 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Like I said, 3.6-3.8Ghz are the best speeds at which you would want to run the CPU...
Here are few guides which would give more info about overclocking the i7(but just make sure you are comfortable with it and start with moderate levels)
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/ultimate_core...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-92...
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/22106-core-...


Gotcha, I'll be sure the check them out.

As for the RAM, I went with your advice and dropped the G.Skill and Dominator. They both had high Cas Latency, either 8 or 9.

Can you please check out these 2 sets of Rams?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The first one is a Corsair XMS3 with 7 Cas Latency, 7-7-7-20 timing and DDR3 1333 Speed. The second one is also a Corsair XMS3 with 7 Cas Latency but 7-8-7-20 timing and DDR3 1600 Speed. The second one is $25 more expensive than the first one. Do you think it is worth paying $25 more for the 2nd one?
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November 24, 2010 3:24:47 AM

^ Frankly I would stick with the the one that I listed. It is a very good one for the money and in real world performance, you wont notice the difference...
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November 24, 2010 3:41:14 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Frankly I would stick with the the one that I listed. It is a very good one for the money and in real world performance, you wont notice the difference...


Hehe Ok :D 

You are an Addict and I'm like a nobody.. So I'm going to stop being a smart ass and take up on your wisdom.

Btw, can you answer my question regarding the GPU,:
What's the difference between these two GPUs? The only difference I see is that one is 1470 and the other is 1472 but I'm clueless on what that means..
EVGA 012-P3-1470-AR GeForce GTX 470 $259.99
EVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 $269.99


the Case size,:
I'm wondering if a Core i7 machine will need a Full Tower case or if Mid Tower case will work


and HDD:
I'm not getting any HDD or SSD for boot as of yet. However, I do have plans to add an SSD to my build later down the road. Should I still get a faster HDD to serve as my data drive? Also, would the HDD / SSD used for boot basically be used for opening up programs and running it?

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November 24, 2010 3:41:40 AM

Best answer selected by Skitsofrenic.
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November 24, 2010 4:02:52 AM

^ Lolz, even I make mistakes sometimes choosing the parts,...

As for the GPU, the 1472 one is slightly overclocked than the 1470 one, but not significantly...So get the cheaper one and overclock it yourself(Again stick to normal levels - say ~50-60MHz as temps would be an issue)...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-revie...

CASE - Full Tower is not necessary for an i7 build...
Check out this case + HDD combo - It is a very good mid tower and that combo is a pretty good deal...
CM HAF 912 + Samsung F3 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
So with 1 or 2 additional fans it would be even better...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-HA...
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1406/1/

HDD - The above Samsung would be a very good choice...

HDD / SSD used for boot basically be used for opening up programs and running it ? - would depend on where you have installed those programs...
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November 24, 2010 4:10:44 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Lolz, even I make mistakes sometimes choosing the parts,...

As for the GPU, the 1472 one is slightly overclocked than the 1470 one, but not significantly...So get the cheaper one and overclock it yourself(Again stick to normal levels - say ~50-60MHz as temps would be an issue)...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-revie...

CASE - Full Tower is not necessary for an i7 build...
Check out this case + HDD combo - It is a very good mid tower and that combo is a pretty good deal...
CM HAF 912 + Samsung F3 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
So with 1 or 2 additional fans it would be even better...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-HA...
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1406/1/

HDD - The above Samsung would be a very good choice...

HDD / SSD used for boot basically be used for opening up programs and running it ? - would depend on where you have installed those programs...



I think I'll just go with the Full Tower because I want more air flow in my case and it is better for upgrading in the future. I finalized my build with your help so check it out!


CPU: Intel Core i7 950 Processor - $199.99
MOBO: ASUS Sabertooth X58 $199.99
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W $109.99
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB 5400 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s $79.99
RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) $109.99
GPU: EVGA 012-P3-1470-AR GeForce GTX 470 $259.99

Case: Trying to make up my mind between the two :D 
NZXT Phantom PHAN-001WT White Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower $139.99
Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $159.99

How does it look?
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November 24, 2010 4:18:12 AM

^ Nice, but why still that HDD ?
Ge the F3 1TB for now if not buying a SSD right away...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CASE - And like I said, it is not necessary to go with a Full Tower case for good airflow...These are pretty good -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|11-119-197^11-119-197-TS,11-112-239^11-112-239-TS,11-146-062^11-146-062-TS
But its your call though...
Another very good Full Tower - I like this better than the 1200...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 24, 2010 4:36:06 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Nice, but why still that HDD ?
Ge the F3 1TB for now if not buying a SSD right away...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CASE - And like I said, it is not necessary to go with a Full Tower case for good airflow...These are pretty good -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|11-119-197^11-119-197-TS,11-112-239^11-112-239-TS,11-146-062^11-146-062-TS
But its your call though...
Another very good Full Tower - I like this better than the 1200...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Well, I checked out the F3 1TB HDD and compared it with the F4 2TB HDD. The F4 2TB had faster Average Seek Time & Latency. The memory is also 2 times the 1TB but only $25 more expensive. So isn't the F4 2TB a better deal? If I am wrong, please please please correct me. Thanks!

And for the case, I really like the looks on the Phantom and 1200 ^^
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November 24, 2010 4:49:16 AM

^ In the case of Latency, always remember that lower is better...
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/L/latency.html
So the F3 would be a faster boot drive...And in general, higher the RPM, lower the latency and hence would be more responsive...
As a data drive, no doubt the F4 2TB would be a solid option...
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November 24, 2010 4:53:47 AM

gkay09 said:
^ In the case of Latency, always remember that lower is better...
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/L/latency.html
So the F3 would be a faster boot drive...And in general, higher the RPM, lower the latency and hence would be more responsive...
As a data drive, no doubt the F4 2TB would be a solid option...


Aha! Then would it be good if I used the F4 2TB for my data drive and F3 1TB for my boot drive?
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November 24, 2010 5:05:23 AM

^ Well, why not for now just stick with the 1TB(A lot of space IMO) and save money for SSD, then you can move the 1TB as data drive...
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November 24, 2010 1:45:23 PM

gkay09 said:
^ Well, why not for now just stick with the 1TB(A lot of space IMO) and save money for SSD, then you can move the 1TB as data drive...


Are SSD really that great? I saw someone saying he could barely tell the difference between a SSD and a HDD because the change was so minimal.

So I'll be getting the 1TB and using it as a boot and data drive until I get additional HDD or a SSD, right?
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November 25, 2010 2:03:12 AM

^ Did he tell how was he comparing the SSD and the HDD ??
With a SSD, am sure that the booting and app load times are significantly reduced and the apps open up snappier...

Yes, getting the 1TB for now and SSD later on would be a very good option...
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November 25, 2010 2:10:29 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Did he tell how was he comparing the SSD and the HDD ??
With a SSD, am sure that the booting and app load times are significantly reduced and the apps open up snappier...

Yes, getting the 1TB for now and SSD later on would be a very good option...


Hey gkay09 your back :D 

Alrighty, I'm going to get a 1TB and a SSD later on ^^
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November 25, 2010 2:33:06 AM

^ :)  So have you decided on the case yet?
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November 25, 2010 2:36:13 AM

gkay09 said:
^ :)  So have you decided on the case yet?


Well.. almost. And I really mean it this time hehe

You know how I turned down your recommendation on the CM HAF series? Well, it turns out I'm making a U-turn yet again.

Check out this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/299594-31-build-tower

PS- I'm sorry for making a million threads :whistle: 
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November 25, 2010 2:53:42 AM

^ Hmm... The HAF 922 is really a very good one IMO...
Check out the Lain-Li K62, NZXT Tempest EVO too...
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November 25, 2010 3:03:24 AM

Bro.. Just when I almost made up my mind on which case to get.. you had to ruin the whole thing!

Those 2 cases Lian and EVO looks amazing! Now my options doubled from 2 to 4

lol.........
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November 25, 2010 3:05:21 AM

CM 922, CM 942, Lian-Li K62, NZXT Tempest EVO
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November 25, 2010 3:25:01 AM

gkay09 said:
^ I am sorry but I cant pass this on...
Your initial favorite NZXT Phantom for $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Frankly I would get this over the other cases for that price...
A good review of that case -
http://guru3d.com/article/nzxt-phantom-review/


I was totally kidding :sol:  If you got more great case recommendations, hit me up anytime hehe

$100 for this case looks like a really good deal. How would this case play against the HAF 942?
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November 25, 2010 3:56:43 AM

^ Frankly I dont see any issue going with this over the 942, you should have checked that review right and not to forget this is currently ~$80 cheaper than the 942, which makes it even better...
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November 25, 2010 4:19:59 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Frankly I dont see any issue going with this over the 942, you should have checked that review right and not to forget this is currently ~$80 cheaper than the 942, which makes it even better...


Yep checked out the review along with 2 or 3 video reviews on the Phantom. But doesn't that case look weird to you? I liked it in the beginning but the more I saw it, more weird looking it became..

How would Tempest EVO stack up against Phantom?
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November 25, 2010 4:35:19 AM

^ Well the Full black version looks fine,...
As for the tempest, it is a mid tower and doesnt have those fan controllers inbuilt, but is a very good mid tower though...
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