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February 19, 2011 12:22:59 PM

Hello,


System Usage from Most to Least Important:1.Gaming ,2.Surfing ,3.HD movie viewing

Country of Origin:India

Overclocking:mostly no

SLI or Crossfire:maybe

Monitor Resolution:1920*1080





COOLER MASTER HAF 922 $99.98

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W $89.99

Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s $174.99

CORSAIR Vengeance 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory $174.99

XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V REV.W with ACK-I5361 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler $44.96

GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) GV-N560OC-1GI Video Card $249.99

LG DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH24NS50 $16.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders $99.99

Intel Core i7-950 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor $299.99

Asus VE248H 24" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers $209.99





Grand Total: $1,461.86




From what i have read, the hyper threading feature of i7 processors do not really improve the quality of gaming.could someone please suggest an i5 processor (at considerably less cost) and a compatible mobo.

thank you.



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February 19, 2011 1:18:13 PM

Wait until the Sandy Bridge 1155 socket boards get fixed and come back out. You could get an i5-2500k, which is great for gaming and cheaper than the i7-950. Even if you never overclock before, the 2500k is unlocked, so overclocking is easy and harmless. Many people add a good aftermarket fan and get over 4.2Ghz on air.

The only disadvantage of going with the i5 or any other CPU other than the LGA1366 I7's... is that you will lose triple channel RAM. (and multiple PCIe full x16 lanes, which also doesn't mean much cause i5 can still do x8/x8 and the bandwidth is negligible.)

But the actual performance of triple channel over dual channel is not that big of a deal. And since the 1156 or 1155 boards are dual channel, you don't need to buy memory in 3's, you can buy in 2's. You could easily get 16GB that way... but for gaming 4GB is usually enough, but as for myself I use 8GB DDR3-1333 (4x2GB).
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February 19, 2011 1:22:23 PM

BTW, here is the benchmark for the i5-2500k versus the i7-950.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=100

So as you can see the i5-2500k is faster at pretty much everything, and the HT on the i7 makes no difference in the games and day to day tasks.
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February 19, 2011 1:29:12 PM

Processor: Intel second generation Core i5 2500 or 2500K
Mainboard: ASUS P8P67 Pro or Deluxe
Memory: 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 1.5v G.Skill Ripjaws X or Corsair Vengeance

You would have to wait until April or so to get the mainboard because of the recall. It would be worth the wait because that processor will kick butt over any other i5 and most i7s as well.
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February 20, 2011 1:24:02 AM

1965ohio said:
Wait until the Sandy Bridge 1155 socket boards get fixed and come back out. You could get an i5-2500k, which is great for gaming and cheaper than the i7-950. Even if you never overclock before, the 2500k is unlocked, so overclocking is easy and harmless. Many people add a good aftermarket fan and get over 4.2Ghz on air.

The only disadvantage of going with the i5 or any other CPU other than the LGA1366 I7's... is that you will lose triple channel RAM. (and multiple PCIe full x16 lanes, which also doesn't mean much cause i5 can still do x8/x8 and the bandwidth is negligible.)

But the actual performance of triple channel over dual channel is not that big of a deal. And since the 1156 or 1155 boards are dual channel, you don't need to buy memory in 3's, you can buy in 2's. You could easily get 16GB that way... but for gaming 4GB is usually enough, but as for myself I use 8GB DDR3-1333 (4x2GB).




which mobo would you suggest for such build and is a single gts 460 1GB enough for game like crysis at 1920*1080?
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February 20, 2011 1:28:52 AM

Leaps-from-Shadows said:
Processor: Intel second generation Core i5 2500 or 2500K
Mainboard: ASUS P8P67 Pro or Deluxe
Memory: 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 1.5v G.Skill Ripjaws X or Corsair Vengeance

You would have to wait until April or so to get the mainboard because of the recall. It would be worth the wait because that processor will kick butt over any other i5 and most i7s as well.



i see that your computer has 12GB of ram what is the real purpose of having so much ram is it handy for gaming? or other things like hd video editing ? will i notice a difference in performance with 8 GB considering that my only purpose is gaming..?and watching movies but not blu ray quality.?
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February 20, 2011 1:31:11 AM

Your missing a Motherboard. And as others have said, I'd wait for the SB boards to be re-issued.

Case - $90 - Coolermaster HAF-922 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - Later - CM Red 200 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $90 - XFX Black Edition 750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $395 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl above - Intel Core i5-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $100 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $250 - Asus GTX 560 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Same
HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home Pre http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $180 - ASUS VE247H 23.6" LED http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $1,282


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February 20, 2011 1:53:04 AM

rooney10 said:
i see that your computer has 12GB of ram what is the real purpose of having so much ram is it handy for gaming? or other things like hd video editing ? will i notice a difference in performance with 8 GB considering that my only purpose is gaming..?and watching movies but not blu ray quality.?

Any time you have more memory, there is more to go around for all the programs you run at once. One big reason I got the extra 4GB of RAM was that NewEgg was having a 15% off RAM sale. I just feel better knowing that I have the extra, if my system ever needs it. And who knows, it might actually give a few FPS boost in future games.

And yes, with 8GB gaming will be smoother, games themselves will load faster and maps will load faster in-game. And as games get even more resource-hungry in the future, you will be better off with 8GB. General multitasking will also work better. The minimum I recommend for a gamer is 6GB for a triple-channel system or 8GB for a dual-channel system. I no longer recommend 4GB at all -- if you can't afford 6-8GB right now, you should wait until you can.

Oh, and I wouldn't recommend the 1.65v RAM Jack listed. Get some Corsair Vengeance 1.5v RAM if you like Corsair, or go with the 1.5v Ripjaws X from G.Skill that I listed.

If you plan on doing SLI/CF, go with a 750W like the new Corsair TX750 V2 (new version of the successful 750TX).
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February 20, 2011 2:03:20 AM

Leaps-from-Shadows said:
Any time you have more memory, there is more to go around for all the programs you run at once. One big reason I got the extra 4GB of RAM was that NewEgg was having a 15% off RAM sale. I just feel better knowing that I have the extra, if my system ever needs it. And who knows, it might actually give a few FPS boost in future games.

And yes, with 8GB gaming will be smoother, games themselves will load faster and maps will load faster in-game. And as games get even more resource-hungry in the future, you will be better off with 8GB. General multitasking will also work better. The minimum I recommend for a gamer is 6GB for a triple-channel system or 8GB for a dual-channel system. I no longer recommend 4GB at all -- if you can't afford 6-8GB right now, you should wait until you can.

Oh, and I wouldn't recommend the 1.65v RAM Jack listed. Get some Corsair Vengeance 1.5v RAM if you like Corsair, or go with the 1.5v Ripjaws X from G.Skill that I listed.

If you plan on doing SLI/CF, go with a 750W like the new Corsair TX750 V2 (new version of the successful 750TX).



with an i5 2500k is it possible to have a triple channel ram if not which processor range supports the triple channel ram?
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February 20, 2011 2:29:20 AM

Core 2 (LGA775), Core i3/5 on LGA1156/1155 will only support dual channel. The only reason to buy an i7 on LGA1366 is for the triple channel RAM and full PCIe x16 bus widths. Triple channel RAM together with 2 video cards at full PCIe x16/x16 bus widths will only help you by less than 5%. It has already been proven that even the latest video cards cannot saturate even the whole PCIe 1.0 bandwidth, let alone PCIe 2.1 x16...

As for your video card, you are not going to play Crysis at full 1920x1080p with more than 20fps with the video card you are looking at. You would have to turn it to 1600x900 with AA off and medium settings. You will want a Fermi chip like GTX465-470 and if your budget allows, a GTX580. Crysis is still a very taxing game even on today's best hardware.

For more fps in games wait for a i5-2500k, because clock for clock it is still better than the i7-950. The triple channel memory of the i7-950 will not make up for your lack of processor speed.

I didn't list you any 1155 boards yet because Newegg has removed the listing until the chipset recall has been completed. You will probably need to wait until the end of March or beginning of April for them to be re-released.

And as mentioned above, I chose 8GB of RAM over 4GB for several reasons. First reason is that when you install a 64 bit OS (which you must to get over 3.5GB), the system threads and processes can be much bigger. Windows recommends 2GB of RAM as the minimum for Windows 7 x64. The problem is that with 2GB of RAM on x64 version... your memory usage will always be 90% or more. When you install 4GB of RAM then the memory usage is still 40-80% it seems most of time time. Seems like x64 windows will just eat more RAM if you give it the chance. But what everyone has found out is that 6-8GB of RAM is the sweet spot for the OS and applications. Since I installed 8GB my memory usages on idle with just firefox open is 22%. I can now load my system down with heavy hitting software or games and I still have breathing room. I get faster load times on everything so far. As for 12GB of RAM, I don't see the need yet unless you run a lot of virtual machines or something.
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February 20, 2011 2:43:13 AM

1965ohio said:
Core 2 (LGA775), Core i3/5 on LGA1156/1155 will only support dual channel. The only reason to buy an i7 on LGA1366 is for the triple channel RAM and full PCIe x16 bus widths. Triple channel RAM together with 2 video cards at full PCIe x16/x16 bus widths will only help you by less than 5%. It has already been proven that even the latest video cards cannot saturate even the whole PCIe 1.0 bandwidth, let alone PCIe 2.1 x16...

As for your video card, you are not going to play Crysis at full 1920x1080p with more than 20fps with the video card you are looking at. You would have to turn it to 1600x900 with AA off and medium settings. You will want a Fermi chip like GTX465-470 and if your budget allows, a GTX580. Crysis is still a very taxing game even on today's best hardware.

For more fps in games wait for a i5-2500k, because clock for clock it is still better than the i7-950. The triple channel memory of the i7-950 will not make up for your lack of processor speed.

I didn't list you any 1155 boards yet because Newegg has removed the listing until the chipset recall has been completed. You will probably need to wait until the end of March or beginning of April for them to be re-released.

And as mentioned above, I chose 8GB of RAM over 4GB for several reasons. First reason is that when you install a 64 bit OS (which you must to get over 3.5GB), the system threads and processes can be much bigger. Windows recommends 2GB of RAM as the minimum for Windows 7 x64. The problem is that with 2GB of RAM on x64 version... your memory usage will always be 90% or more. When you install 4GB of RAM then the memory usage is still 40-80% it seems most of time time. Seems like x64 windows will just eat more RAM if you give it the chance. But what everyone has found out is that 6-8GB of RAM is the sweet spot for the OS and applications. Since I installed 8GB my memory usages on idle with just firefox open is 22%. I can now load my system down with heavy hitting software or games and I still have breathing room. I get faster load times on everything so far. As for 12GB of RAM, I don't see the need yet unless you run a lot of virtual machines or something.




EVGA 01G-P3-1467-AR GeForce GTX 465 Superclocked Video Card - 1024MB GDDR5 will this suffice?
or the EVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked Video Card - 1280MB the latter costs about 60$ more but it produces a significantly higher performance i am willing to buy it.
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February 20, 2011 2:55:49 AM

I have a GTX465, but only because I got it insanely cheap ($150). At retail price, it is much better to get the GTX470. The GTX465 still has a lot of things disabled. But it will play Crysis fine, I play Crysis Warhead all the time with it.

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February 20, 2011 12:36:40 PM

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February 20, 2011 12:55:46 PM

1965ohio said:
I have a GTX465, but only because I got it insanely cheap ($150). At retail price, it is much better to get the GTX470. The GTX465 still has a lot of things disabled. But it will play Crysis fine, I play Crysis Warhead all the time with it.




SC2 Is really processor intensive, for both gameplay and graphics. There's a ton of AI for unit control and computer players that can tax most processors. In addition, there's also a bunch of graphics stuff that needs to be done on CPU in that game. Reflections on water require CPU processing power, that when enabled, require more than a stock speed i5-760 to run on max settings @ 1080p. Also the transparency effects of higher graphics settings use depth sorted alpha blending that requires CPU processing. My i7-920 @ 3.4GHz can play SC2 on Ultra settings w/ a GTX 260. My roomate's computer with a stock i5-760 and 2xGTX460s in SLI cannot (he has to turn of reflections

is the above stated true.does the i5 2500k have enough processor speed to play game like crysis @1080p?i know that i5 760 provides 2.8Ghz while the 2500k does 3.4Ghz..
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February 20, 2011 1:00:48 PM

Yes it does. You can compare the benchmarks between the i5-2500k and the i7-920 here and you will see. And keep in mind the 2500k can be overclocked and perform even better than the benchmarks you see.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=47
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