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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 8:33:17 PM

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Hi all,

I have always used the thumb button on my mouse for jumping. Using my
old mice, a Mouseman Wheel (CW47 with ball ons PS2) and an Ifeel optical
mouse I can rest my thumb on the button while having a firm grip around
the whole mouse the same time.

The newer mice from Logitech are designed differently: the thumb
button(s) are now placed slighly above the curve in which the thumb
rests, so to use them you have to change you thumbs position. This does
prevent reflexive movements.
I purchased a new MX518 with all the 1600dpi and other goodies, but the
configuration is as described and in that sense useless to me.

I wonder what the guys at Logitech were thinking when they designed this
so-called 'gaming mouse'. What is the use of a firm ergonomical grip if
the user is forced to change his grip everytime he wants to use a
side-button. Aren't the buttons supposed to be available _all_ the time,
even if not used for jumping?

Anyway, I was curious what you guys use the thumb-button for and, if not
for jumping, what button _do_ you use for jumping?

I appears that my Mouseman and Ifeel are about the last mice that have
the thumb-button placed were it should be IMHO, namely under the thumb.

Any comment is welcome,

Ursa..
April 7, 2005 9:34:09 PM

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MajorUrsa enlightened us with:
> Anyway, I was curious what you guys use the thumb-button for and, if
> not for jumping, what button _do_ you use for jumping?

I use the two thumb buttons on my MX700 to switch to the link cannon
(for ONS) and to 'use' vehicles, teleports, etc.

MeltDown
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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 9:42:09 PM

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Im using a MouseManOptical and the thumb botton is almost at the bottom of
the mouse, where the thumb rests. Then i have added an small rubbber piece
to it, so i dont have to concentrate on finding it.
BTW its "forward" in my settings. (then i use Q for left strafe and W for
right and TAB for jump and SPACE for back)

HaglStorm_DK

"MajorUrsa" <majorursa@iname.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:425544ae$0$139$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Hi all,
>
> I have always used the thumb button on my mouse for jumping. Using my old
> mice, a Mouseman Wheel (CW47 with ball ons PS2) and an Ifeel optical mouse
> I can rest my thumb on the button while having a firm grip around the
> whole mouse the same time.
>
> The newer mice from Logitech are designed differently: the thumb button(s)
> are now placed slighly above the curve in which the thumb rests, so to use
> them you have to change you thumbs position. This does prevent reflexive
> movements.
> I purchased a new MX518 with all the 1600dpi and other goodies, but the
> configuration is as described and in that sense useless to me.
>
> I wonder what the guys at Logitech were thinking when they designed this
> so-called 'gaming mouse'. What is the use of a firm ergonomical grip if
> the user is forced to change his grip everytime he wants to use a
> side-button. Aren't the buttons supposed to be available _all_ the time,
> even if not used for jumping?
>
> Anyway, I was curious what you guys use the thumb-button for and, if not
> for jumping, what button _do_ you use for jumping?
>
> I appears that my Mouseman and Ifeel are about the last mice that have the
> thumb-button placed were it should be IMHO, namely under the thumb.
>
> Any comment is welcome,
>
> Ursa..
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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 9:59:01 PM

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MeltDown wrote:
> MajorUrsa enlightened us with:
>
>>Anyway, I was curious what you guys use the thumb-button for and, if
>>not for jumping, what button _do_ you use for jumping?
>
>
> I use the two thumb buttons on my MX700 to switch to the link cannon
> (for ONS) and to 'use' vehicles, teleports, etc.

Yes, I considered using the two thumbsbuttons for other, less reflexive
purposes and change the jump to something else. But it will take a
long time to get used to, after having the same config for so many years
(since Q1).

Thanks for the input.

Ursa..
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 10:06:12 PM

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HaglStorm_DK wrote:
> Im using a MouseManOptical and the thumb botton is almost at the bottom of
> the mouse, where the thumb rests. Then i have added an small rubbber piece
> to it, so i dont have to concentrate on finding it.Thansk for the tip about the

I just today found I have two Mouseman (dual) opticals available too. I
remember testing them and having problems as well with them, but I' give
them a try again. I'll have to find a way out before my ball-mouse gets
broken.

Thanks for the tip about adding a rubber piece to it. That may also be a
solution with the MX518.

> BTW its "forward" in my settings. (then i use Q for left strafe and W for
> right and TAB for jump and SPACE for back)

Hmm, that is very interesting, having Forward and Backward on two
different hands. Anyway, having forward on the thumb means you would
also want it to be available all the time.

(My config is the arrow-keys for movement, keypad for weapons stuff,
6-HOME keys for specials. Whole keyboard is placed to the left to get
the keys under my left hand)

Very interesting, these different configs, anyone else?

Ursa..
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 10:21:25 PM

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My setup allows me to have weapon selection without have to move my hand or
look at the keyboard. (it helps with more rubber pieces on the keys)

E= Link gun(electric gun :-))
F= Flak
R=Rocket
S=Sniper
D=Minigun (demolition)

1= enter vehicles

the others are standard.

And the wheel is
forward is either flak or minigun
back is either Shock or sniper.

HaglStorm_DK

"MajorUrsa" <majorursa@iname.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:42555a74$0$153$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> HaglStorm_DK wrote:
>> Im using a MouseManOptical and the thumb botton is almost at the bottom
>> of the mouse, where the thumb rests. Then i have added an small rubbber
>> piece to it, so i dont have to concentrate on finding it.Thansk for the
>> tip about the
>
> I just today found I have two Mouseman (dual) opticals available too. I
> remember testing them and having problems as well with them, but I' give
> them a try again. I'll have to find a way out before my ball-mouse gets
> broken.
>
> Thanks for the tip about adding a rubber piece to it. That may also be a
> solution with the MX518.
>
>> BTW its "forward" in my settings. (then i use Q for left strafe and W for
>> right and TAB for jump and SPACE for back)
>
> Hmm, that is very interesting, having Forward and Backward on two
> different hands. Anyway, having forward on the thumb means you would also
> want it to be available all the time.
>
> (My config is the arrow-keys for movement, keypad for weapons stuff,
> 6-HOME keys for specials. Whole keyboard is placed to the left to get the
> keys under my left hand)
>
> Very interesting, these different configs, anyone else?
>
> Ursa..
April 8, 2005 12:15:47 PM

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MajorUrsa enlightened us with:
> Yes, I considered using the two thumbsbuttons for other, less
> reflexive purposes and change the jump to something else.

I use space to jump. It's the thumb-button on my keyboard ;-)

MeltDown
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April 8, 2005 12:19:41 PM

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HaglStorm_DK enlightened us with:
> the others are standard.

I never liked the standards ASDW layout. It gives me too little extra
keys on the left of that combo. I moved my movement keys one key to
the right, so I can use

A Teleport
Q Sniper / Redeemer
W Minigun
R Rockets
T Flak
G Best weapon (Goodest in Bad English)
V Crouch

MeltDown
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April 8, 2005 12:19:42 PM

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:19:41 +0200, MeltDown
<meltdownUSE@YOURunrealtower.org.imagination> wrote:

>I never liked the standards ASDW layout. It gives me too little extra
>keys on the left of that combo. I moved my movement keys one key to
>the right, so I can use

I would do that, but I play too many other games and demos that all
default to WASD it is too much of a pain to change all the controls
for each one so I live with it. As you are a Linux gamer you don't
have the problem of too many games ;-)
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April 8, 2005 12:52:56 PM

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Andrew enlightened us with:
> I would do that, but I play too many other games and demos that all
> default to WASD it is too much of a pain to change all the controls
> for each one so I live with it.

I feel the same - some games I just stick to the defaults. I played
UT* soooo much that I wanted a more optimal solution ;-)

> As you are a Linux gamer you don't have the problem of too many
> games ;-)

True, unfortunately ;-)

MeltDown
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Anonymous
April 9, 2005 12:16:51 AM

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I use the big thumb button for crouch, and the small thumb button for zoom
(I mostly play instagib)

I do the same for Halo and HalfLife 2
!