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October 3, 2010 4:59:38 PM

Hello people!

I am curently playing starcraft II on this machine

MBASUS P5G41-M LE
gpu GeForce 8600 GT
cpu Intel Pentium E6500
Psu tristar power 550 atx
HD enough space..
Ram 3 go ddr2


I am able to play the game at medium setting and multitasking with firefox is easy and doable.

Now I would like to upgrade my graphic card so I can get a better resolution and put the seting on high or ultra.

What I want is that in the future, when I will upgrade my pc , that my graphic card will still be super good you know.

So I need it to be able for crossfire or sli in the future, have dx11, phys X ,3d etc...

my budget is around 150 $

I curently have my eyes on this one

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
or this one wich is like 30 $ less

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

or on the nvidia side
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
or
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


Thx


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a b U Graphics card
October 3, 2010 5:08:49 PM

newegg.ca links don't work for usa folks for the most part. You need to copy and paste the models you are specifying.
I would say a gts 450 or ati 5770, find one thats on sale at the point your going to buy.

SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

GIGABYTE GV-N450OC-1GI GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
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October 3, 2010 5:20:21 PM

I would go with a 5770 over a 450, they use less power and tend to do a little bit better on the graphics. Both are good cards though. Dual 5770 is about equal to a single 5850 or 5870 depending on the game and the other hardware around it.

I believe ati 6xxx series is rumored to be release in October or November so the wait may or may not be worth it to you.
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a b U Graphics card
October 3, 2010 5:30:38 PM

You could also get a ATI 4850: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
The 4850 performs about the same as the 5750: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/177?vs=173

The question is, is the extra $50-60 worth it for you for DX11 and lower power draw.

As far as the ATI 6xxx cards goes, they are suppose to be released by mid-end of November.

Before doing ANYTHING, PLEASE get a QUALITY PSU from Antec, Corsair, XFX, Seasonic, OCZ, or PC Power & Cooling. You have a no name brand PSU. You are risking killing your hardware with a low quality PSU.

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So I need it to be able for crossfire or sli in the future, have dx11, phys X ,3d etc...

Your motherboard do not support SLI or CrossFire, so that should not be a consideration at this point as you don't know which board you will get in the future.

Also, what resolution are you playing at?
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a c 235 U Graphics card
October 3, 2010 5:31:07 PM

nvidia performs better on blizzard games. if you plan to play SC2 a lot, along with Diablo III and/or WoW then go for the GTS 450. otherwise both are very good cards and you can't go wrong with either one.
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October 3, 2010 9:32:37 PM

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newegg.ca links don't work for usa folks for the most part. You need to copy and paste the models you are specifying.


OK ill post the part

GIGABYTE GV-N450OC-1GI GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 140$
OR
EVGA 01G-P3-1452-TR GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) Superclocked 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 145$
OR
MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 150$

OR on the ati side

SAPPHIRE 100284L Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card 140$

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VX-2L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity 165$
wich one is the better deal??All the price include the shiping. Feel free to give me any better option. I will shop on newegg.ca
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October 3, 2010 9:39:59 PM

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Your motherboard do not support SLI or CrossFire, so that should not be a consideration at this point as you don't know which board you will get in the future.



I know, but in 2 years when I will upgrade my computer I want to only have to buy 1 extra graphic card and use crossfire or sli.This is also why I want dx11.


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Also, what resolution are you playing at

for now, its like 1280 by 768 or something like that. I want to increase it.

I am using a Samsung 20" LCD - SyncMaster 2043NW - 5 ms - large 16/10

I think it can go up to 1680 x 1050
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a b U Graphics card
October 4, 2010 12:05:45 AM

5770 for that resolution
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October 4, 2010 1:57:11 AM

hd 5770 should be good for your resolution
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October 4, 2010 4:41:55 AM

Maybe one of my more experience forum members could prove or disprove me but i don't think you need the vapor-x 5770, one of the less expensive ones should have enough power to do everything at that resolution.

My pc has xfx 5770, and an amd 5600+ cpu, with 6 gb dd2, and i can run sc2 on with everything on ultra at 1440x900(19in widescreen).
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a b U Graphics card
October 4, 2010 5:08:44 AM

i wouldn't worry to much about the exact model just 5770 1Gb
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a c 376 U Graphics card
October 4, 2010 6:02:36 AM

notty22 said:
newegg.ca links don't work for usa folks for the most part.

I've never had any problems with newegg.ca links or heard anyone else say such.
Another vote for the HD5770. This is the one I would get;
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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October 4, 2010 1:59:25 PM

Ok so it seems like the comunity is on the ati side with the 5770 option.
Can you tell me why ? is it smaller and does it take less power ? Cause that would be great and confirm my choice.

Also. Now that im on the Ati side, wich brand do I go for ? there is plenty of model.

There is this one

SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card 157$

but also from saphire
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VX-2L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card 165$

What is the vapor-x thing ? Is it a better cooling system ??And the juniper xt thing ?? I am attrcded to it because it is in special -10 $ and the shiping cost 6$less
so it might be a good deal.
I also loves saphire.I just bought a 5570 low profile for my girlfriends pc and it works just great.
There is also this in special
POWERCOLOR PCS+ AX5770 1GBD5-PPG Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card 162$ it is OCed

I curently have a 8600gt and it works very well too so I am still open to the nvidia side.

EVGA 01G-P3-1452-TR GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) Superclocked 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 145$

GIGABYTE GV-N450OC-1GI GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 140$
This one has 2 cooler it seems to be a good one.

I have read on this tread [Solved] GTS 450 vs 5770
that the 5770 is suposed to cost less then the 450.. I dont know how old the thread is but it is clearly not the case on newegg.ca

So is there any good deal or
should I wait for the 6000 serie to come out and for the price to go lower after chrismas ??
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a c 376 U Graphics card
October 4, 2010 6:04:35 PM

The HD5770 is both better and uses slightly less power than the GTS 450. Personally I wouldn't bother with the Vapor-X but you can if you want I guess but never pay extra for a factory overclocked card. You can overclock the card very easily yourself and will get much better results.
You could wait for the HD6000 series but I'm not sure the initial cards will be in your price range. If the HD5770 fits your needs and budget I would just get it.
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October 4, 2010 10:32:21 PM

so for 15 $ I can get the
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VX-2L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Some review says that the cooling is very good and so it can overcloack more

Is it worth it or should I get a standard 5770 like the
SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Also does powercolor or gigabite have beter reknown ??
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a b U Graphics card
October 4, 2010 10:52:34 PM

The 5770 ~ $140-150 USD is great.

Also, be sure to overclock your E6500 - that CPU can get to almost 4.0GHz without much trouble...and SC2 is a very CPU intensive game so it'll definitely help.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:07:24 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
Also, be sure to overclock your E6500 - that CPU can get to almost 4.0GHz without much trouble
This is a good idea although if you are on the stock cooler I would aim for about 3.5ghz instead. For speeds higher than that buy a decent aftermarket fan/heatsink.
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October 5, 2010 5:09:34 PM

I overclocked it to 3.2 ghz and the ratio is 5:4 or 4:5 I dont remember
( and I am not on my computer now)
My mobo is a ASUS P5G41-M LE and there is some preset of overclock by %
I am at 10% so 2.92 + 10% = 3.2
I can try to go to 20% but I dont really feel the need right now.
I think the bottleneck is my 8600 gt.I am going to wait a bit for the 6000 series so the 5770 will be cheaper or maybe a 6650 will be better at the same price etc...
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a c 376 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 6:12:56 PM

Yeah, I don't think OCing will matter much while you are on an 8600GT.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 6:25:15 PM

Why are you posting reviews for SLI? You never mentioned using two cards nor can your motherboard handle SLI.
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October 5, 2010 6:54:58 PM

meh.
NVM
you are right
5770 ftw
the 450 droped in price though
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a c 376 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 7:00:17 PM

Some of the GTS 450s with a high factory OC do get close to the HD5770 in performance but then you can OC the HD5770 as well so...
If you can afford it a GTX 460 is the other option to consider.
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a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:56:08 PM

450 vs 5770 is a no contest
I have a feeling though in SLI vs crossfire things would be a lot
different
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a b U Graphics card
October 6, 2010 12:29:35 AM

I say save up a tad more and get a 460 768mb, the extra performance that you get for a bit more cash is well worth it.
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October 6, 2010 1:19:16 PM

The lowest 460 on newegg.ca is # $175.49 + # $11.49 Shipping and is 768 mb.
it has 192 bit tough


But this is out of my budget

right now, I am more debating on what brand and if the Vapor-X is worth it on the long run.
Also, if Sli is better then crossfire.I might go with nvidia because I plan on adding an additional card on my next computer. ( in like 2 years)


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October 6, 2010 3:33:01 PM

SO the 460 will be better on the long run
they are know to be very good when in sli ( use 80 to 95 % og the second card)
Is that card a good buy ??
EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 * Was: $209.99 *Now: $179.99 * Free Shipping


why is it not 1 go ?? will it affect me ??
Also the card looks kinda week
# Core Clock: 675MHz
# Shader Clock: 1350MHz
# Stream Processors: 336 Processor Cores
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a c 376 U Graphics card
October 6, 2010 9:17:44 PM

The 768mb GTX 460 is approximately 20% faster than the HD5770 at stock speeds and it can overclock to a rather spectacular degree(over 30%.) In SLI it easily beats a GTX 480.
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a b U Graphics card
October 6, 2010 9:30:51 PM

Yes, I edited my message, I meant the 768mb version.



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