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February 23, 2011 2:19:29 AM

Ok a frequent topic on Toms is an upgrade worth it (performance vs. price)
So I was wondering how I did on this deal.
First I bought a Dell Optiplex 745 with these specs for $75 USD
plus the seller gave me a complete P4 system which I sold for $50 USD
Specs
Pentium D 945 3.4ghz
80gb Sata II
CD-RW sata
2gb PC2-4200 533mhz
onboard sound
onboard video

So then I bought a HP P4 3.4 tower for $145 USD
and the seller threw in a Liteon DVD-rw 16x sata plus
a C2D E4300 1.8ghz

So I swapped the 80gb for the Seagate 250gb sata II included with HP P4 tower.
put in the sata DVD-rw and the C2D E4300 in the Optiplex 745.
Then I sold the HP P4 to my sister in law for $130 for her ten year olds to use.
So i got the Liteon DVD-rw,E4300 and 250gb for $15

I then bought a Sapphire 1gb HD4650 for $45 shipped
Then I bought a Asus Xonar DG for $35 shipped both from Newegg.

So now I have a Optiplex 745 with these specs
Core2Duo E4300 which I BSEL pinmodded from 1.8ghz/800mhz FSB to 2.4ghz/1066mhz FSB
2gb PC2-4200
250gb Seagate Barracuda Sata
Lite-on DVD-rw 16x sata
Sapphire HD4650
Asus Xonar DG
total cost is $120 USD

My usage is office computer (MS Office),multimedia with two displays,encoding/ripping/burning dvds,recording guitar,vocals,keyboards
casual gaming (bioshock 2,left 4 dead 2,crysys warhead lower settings ok),photoshop cs,recording netflix/xfinity broadcasts and
it does all of this to my satisfaction.

The last upgrade I want to do is get 2 x 2gb PC2-6400 DDR2 800mhz ram hopefully
no more than $70

Even going with a AMD build cheap as possible I dont think I could get anywhere as cheap.
I have the money to buy a better system but I am a CHEAPSKATE and rather save it for vacation fund for family.


So the question is
was the $120 wisesly spent
Was there a better way I could of spent the money?
Remember my old system (dual Xeon P4 3.2) was not reusable for new build.

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February 23, 2011 2:33:27 AM
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It's a good deal, though you might want to upgrade that graphics card.
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February 23, 2011 2:53:47 AM

I needed a low power low profile card with a budget under $50 so I went for the
HD4650 for now.
It is decent. It has UVD 2.0 decoding,hdmi with 7.1 out and dvi.
I can play BioShock 2 at medium settings 1920x1080,Crysis warhead at 1280x1024 mainstream
and Left4Dead2 at high settings 1920x1080 with the card OCd from 600/1000ddr to 700/1100ddr.
I do plan on getting a HD5670 during the holidays this year hopefully
on a really cheap sale.
I want a HD5670 with 512 ddr3 or ddr5 and hopefully under $60 USD

That was a good point you made since after upgrading ram to 4g DDR2 800
my next upgrade was the video card.

I figure I can sell the HD4650 on craigslist for around 30-40
so the HD5670 will only cost me about 30 bucks or so.

Also I did sell the parts from old tower.
got $20 for 7600gs agp and $25 for creative audigy ex platinum.

so actually this optiplex 745 cost me $75 if you count the old parts sold.
with a 5670 plus 4gb ram it would add about 140USD to make it $215 minus
what I can get for my HD4650.
So hopefully for under $200 I will have these specs
Core2Duo 2.4ghz
4gb DDR2-800
250gb Barracuda
Liteon DVDrw 16x
HD 5670 512mb
Asus Xonar DG

then I will shop around for a 1tb HD preferably Barracuda.
The 1tb have really dropped in price lately.

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February 23, 2011 3:00:58 AM

reprotected said:
It's a good deal, though you might want to upgrade that graphics card.


BTW that is a killer rig you have under your configuration.
Nice choices in parts.
Something like that really overkill for what I do with my computer.
Plus my Wife would KILL me if I bought a system like that.
We are saving up for a house plus family vacation so
Dad's computer budget was low priority :cry: 
And the funny thing is I work repairing/selling computers for a living :D 
The good thing is in the the next year or two I will be ready for a real build
and by then SandyBridge and Bulldozer will be in full force.
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February 23, 2011 3:19:07 AM

Its pretty good. If you had to start from scratch its one of the better setups I've seen. My wifes computer was an Asus A8R-MVP (S939) with a single core 3500+ and 1GB of ram. I watched my used forum for awhile and found a guy selling a P35 Gigabyte mobo, A 5200 C2D CPU and 2GBs of DDR2-667 or 800MHz ram for $70 shipped. I've seen other similar setups every now and then on that site as well. Unlike you however, I already had her case, keyboard, PSU, etc so I didn't have to worry about getting any of that. For buying used you did pretty good, but I'm not a fan of having to use a BSEL mod and I would have spent the sound card money on a better video card. But that's just me.
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February 23, 2011 3:37:53 AM

Thank you
Yea the BSEL mod was scary but the chip basically cost me nothing.
Also I have the PentD 3.4 as backup.
I have it running about 3 months now almost 24/7 with no BSODs or glitches
and in a 20c room it idles at 33-34c and loads at about 56-57c after an hour with Prime95.
I was thinking of getting a E4700 and BSEL modding that from 2.66 to 3.5
but that might be pushing it LOL
The sound card was necessary since I record guitar,keyboard and vocals of my nine year old daughters so having the extra line inputs is nice (between onboard and card I have 3 selectable mic/line ins with one of them being 24bit/96khz)
plus it has a headphone amp
It is weird the onboard and sound card both work.
I can select between the both of them from windows.
On my old computer once I installed the sound card it disabled the onboard.
Im not complaining though.
I am old old school and like having a sound card.
Goes back to the old days :) 
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February 23, 2011 5:41:47 AM

Gotcha. I don't have to record like that so I don't need a card. Things have changed in the CF/SLI era as almost nothing is turned off anymore. Even before you could use two separate cards. Like I said, you did good. Had you time to wait you could have probably done better, but I don't see anything horrible.
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February 23, 2011 6:14:34 AM

This is a cheap temporary solution until I can save up
and probably do a brand new reasonable budget AMD setup in a year or two.
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February 23, 2011 7:27:06 AM

If you can get your chip up to 3GHz then your not that bad off. Even at 2.4GHz there will only be a few games here and there that will want more CPU power. If you can get 4GBs of DDR2-800 and a 5750 in there you should have a good mid range gamer.
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February 23, 2011 3:15:36 PM

I like the HD 5750 but it draws up to 86watts and that would be probably pushing my
poor Dell 280w supply a little too hard.
I figured on going with a HD 5670.
Best balance between power draw and performance seems to be that card.
I like that it doesnt require a power connector.
So it is limited to 75w draw.
I mostly do office work and mulitmedia with gaming being very light.

If I got a E4600 I could BSEL mod that (my only option for overclocking)
to about 3.2ghz.
I am going to keep my eye out on used parts forums for an E4600
If I can get one cheap enough I will go for it.
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February 24, 2011 12:13:08 AM

Best answer selected by king smp.
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February 24, 2011 12:39:20 AM

Yeah, because that 4200 IGP is really going to drive that 1080 screen. The OP also doesn't have or didn't spend $500. Try about 25% of that number.
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February 24, 2011 1:49:41 AM

4745454b said:
Yeah, because that 4200 IGP is really going to drive that 1080 screen. The OP also doesn't have or didn't spend $500. Try about 25% of that number.


that is why i got a hd4650
nice card for multimedia HD
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February 24, 2011 1:52:59 AM

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The thread is over and it was a joke


bought a viewsonic vx2260wm 22 inch 1080p hdmi/dvi/vga speakers headphone jack 1920x1080 with dvi cable included for 90 bucks on craigslist about a year ago

not a single dead pixel and 2ms response time

a b à CPUs
February 24, 2011 1:56:18 AM

i was a radioshack store manager for ten years
i usually only buy used electronics
i remember in 1999 a basic dvd player for home costing easily over 200 usd
now on sale for 19.99 LOL
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February 24, 2011 2:31:22 AM

Thats actually a pretty nice monitor. I was going to suggest the 21" (?) they have at walmart for around $200 out the door. Not as large as that 23 that diggle suggested, but its still 1080.

I've been burned by CL posts before, so now I stick to the used forums found on various sites. I picked up my current x38 board for $70 shipped. When they first launched I grabbed a 5750 for $100. My used E6600 that I got for $75 probably 3? years ago is still going strong. You can look on those forums and find all kinds of good stuff for $50-$75.
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February 24, 2011 2:47:46 AM

I have been craigslist for years and have been burned mildly but they were learning lessons.
Try not to go alone or make sure someone has address and what time you should be back or maintain contact with cell phone
Always see item working
Always inspect motherboard/video card for bad capacitors
I do prefer to get off of Ebay using top rated sellers and buy it now items.
And of course Newegg and TigerDirect are great
I wouldnt buy a used DVD-RW when you can get one for $20 on newegg for example.
Also I avoid buying memory used.
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February 24, 2011 2:53:04 AM

4745454b said:
Thats actually a pretty nice monitor. I was going to suggest the 21" (?) they have at walmart for around $200 out the door. Not as large as that 23 that diggle suggested, but its still 1080.

I've been burned by CL posts before, so now I stick to the used forums found on various sites. I picked up my current x38 board for $70 shipped. When they first launched I grabbed a 5750 for $100. My used E6600 that I got for $75 probably 3? years ago is still going strong. You can look on those forums and find all kinds of good stuff for $50-$75.


If a person doesnt mind being a generation or two behind bleeding edge technology then there can be some awesome deals out there.
We are at a point now computer tech wise that the technology has gotten farther ahead then what most people need.
Very few people besides serious power users ever utilize all the power of
a maxed out I7 system.
Even advanced users for the most part do not need more than a fast dual core or older quad core for most applications out there.
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February 24, 2011 2:56:39 AM

Staples right now has an Acer 20 inch 1660x1200 (?) for 89.99 out the door.
I am tempted to pick one up for secondary display.
I am using an old Samsung Syncmaster 16 inch right now and I can use the extra
desktop space.
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February 24, 2011 2:58:23 AM

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my neighbourhood or the area here is a drug then. They knock every day on your door with lcds and laptops of all sizes trying to sell it off for about 20usd lol


Yea I am in a "urban lower income residential zone" myself :D 
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February 24, 2011 2:59:26 AM

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bragging rights and higher scores on synthetic benchmarks. benchmarks have sold more pcs than real world performances did.


^+10 So very true!
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February 24, 2011 3:09:06 AM

I hope I can get away with writing this, I'm sorry if I offend.

My pen!$ is large enough, so I don't need to have the highest benchmarks to make me feel better about myself. While its mostly true that we have reached the point where we don't need an i7, there are more and more games coming out that will need bigger and better hardware. My E6600 is fine for me, but I only play source games. My E6600 and 5750 will choke if I try to play Crysis, Metro 2033, GTA4, etc. These games need fast quad cores with beefy video cards, and I have neither. But thats ok with me, as I have no desire to play any of those games with the exception of GTA4. But I'm in no hurry for that as TF2 and L4D2 are keeping me busy.
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February 24, 2011 4:43:50 AM

I actually dont understand the need for maxed out settings and resolutions
It is nice when you can do it but for me for example
Crysis Warhead at 1280x1024 mainstreams settings still look nice.
Maybe because I am old and remember when Zaxxon 3D or QBert looked cool LOL
Or maybe is because I have poor vision and wear glasses
The funny thing is usually a high powered system costing over a $1000 within a
year or two needs upgrades to play latest releases fully maxed.
If it is done as a hobby and mainly for the challenge of playing maxed out
I can understand but not for the reason of actually just enjoying playing
the game.
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February 24, 2011 4:59:08 AM

Hey Dadiggle did you change your system?
That system looks different
Didnt you have a Phenom x 4 965?
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February 24, 2011 5:29:17 AM

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got a xeon, x6 1100t, x4 965, E8600, 2 745 optiplex and a I7 920. Mainly uses the Xeon waiting for Lga 2011 to replace it but I struggle to get rid of my old systems.


Struggling?
Sentimental or financially hard to sell?
This might sound strange but I have had emotional attachments
to towers :) 
Actually I found that selling individual parts on Craiglist makes more
money.
You do have to deal with more people but can get back
more of what you spent usually

nice choices in systems
I am a little jealous :cry: 
You should do what I did when I was bored doing an XP install
I wrote a small book under my member configuration
I like to update and paste from a MS Word file.
Sort of like a running inventory though I dont have all of my "Junk"
as my fiance calls it listed.
I did just pick up a 13inch Sharp Aquos LCD TV 12 volt for $10 at a yard sale
bought the cig lighter adapter for $15 and going to use in car for my
nine year old to play on a older used system like PS2 or Xbox.
She has a Wii but that wouldnt be so great for the car :D 

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February 24, 2011 5:32:42 AM

I more or less agree with you again King. I don't use 8xAA. Its pointless in my opinion. 2AA or 4AA is fine. Why run 8AA at 1920x1080? You are already at such a high res that jaggies are almost gone. Why run 8AA? I mostly play FPS however so its hard to look for jaggies if you're busy running around shooting rockets at people. As long as I have details on and it looks good, I'm a happy guy.
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February 24, 2011 5:39:02 AM

For me good game play mechanics and story line is what I like.
I like the BioShock series for example.
I only have BS2 right now but the combination of story line graphics and action
is cool.
I was just watching youtube videos on Bioshock Infinite
That looks wild
I was actually thinking of looking for the freeware Zork games to play for old times
sake.
I still like playing Spyhunter,Frogger,Space Invaders and Mortal Combat LOL
I remember being scared by Doom 3 :) 
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February 24, 2011 5:42:09 AM

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have you ever see the difference between dx 11 and dx 9 when they have the pics next to each other. You have to look very closely to spot the difference. Which can be barely noticed. Now a game running at 30fps how are you goin to spot the difference if you cant barely spot it with a still screenshot lol



With resolutions depend on your monitor and some people are just fussy with graphics like im with sound.


Alot of your posts lately have been negative on sound cards...
I am retro
I still like analog to computer surround sound system
and I record instruments and vocals.
I like the last freeware version of Reaper Recording Studio
It is fun mixing audio.
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February 24, 2011 5:44:09 AM

Picked up a Xonar DG cheap
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February 24, 2011 6:04:14 AM

I do agree with you alot on those points.
With me doing recording I like having three inputs to select from.
I can keep my guitar,keyboard and mic all hooked up at the same time
which is easier for putting down tracks.
I also think taking the some load off of cpu is a good thing
though not important as it was years ago.
Plus I just like playing with the better audio/effects controls :) 
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February 24, 2011 6:07:24 AM

Actually I can run the HDMI from HD4650 (7.1,DTS) to receiver
for bigger sound and still have headphone amp from Xonar DG (Dolby Headphone Surround) to use.
Also have Toslink Fiber Optic out on card.
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February 24, 2011 6:18:44 AM

Definitley a dig input would be better
but working with 1/8 inputs is alot cheaper and easier
This is just playing amatuer recording of a nine year old girl wanna be
popstar
She is in choir,dance and taking guitar lessons so there is alot of video footage and sound
recording.
Later on when she is older I want to use part of the basement and build a small recording booth ( I was a Heating and AC guy by trade years ago and handy with
tools)
I actually like to make Industrial Techno Trance music myself for fun
Did a whole mix using different automated phone operator voices
with kind of a Gothic Techno sound.
Dont think anybody would enjoy but me but it was alot of fun doing LOL
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February 24, 2011 10:36:49 AM

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have you ever see the difference between dx 11 and dx 9 when they have the pics next to each other. You have to look very closely to spot the difference. Which can be barely noticed. Now a game running at 30fps how are you goin to spot the difference if you cant barely spot it with a still screenshot lol


As is starting to the be the norm, I disagree with you again. There can be only minor differences between DX9 and 11 if you just port over. Did you see the Dirt2 preview on Hard?

http://hardocp.com/article/2009/12/07/dirt_2_demo_dx11_...

While some of the differences are like what you talked about, like the car spoiler, others are things you should notice like the girls shadow not being cast at all in DX9 mode. If you poke your head around I'm sure you'll be able to find many other games that are similar. And lets not forget one of the greatest things that DX11 gives us such as Tessellation. Hawx 2 is known as the best game that includes this, have you seen pics of it on/off? These should be examples you can notice at any FPS. (Your FPS argument is only good if it occurs in a single frame, which it doesn't.
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