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November 27, 2010 9:42:32 PM

Hello,
This is my first time building a computer, I am shooting for a budget gaming rig.

My Thoughts:

>>My budget is between $500-800
>>I am not looking to max out game settings on games for the next 100 years, just want to be able to play them with enjoyable settings.
>>I was aiming for the best value when i chose my parts
>>I do not want too much hassle, so I avoided low-rated items.
>>I am not adamant on any of the parts listed


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My Build:
CASE: COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($40AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard ($100)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: OCZ StealthXstream II 600W ATX12V v2.2 ($30AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: ASUS CuCore Series EAH5770 CuCore/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 ($110AR+Combo w/Mobo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz ($160)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU FAN: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus ($5AR+Combo w/CPU)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) ($45AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Samsung Spinpoint f3 1Tb 7200RPM ($70)

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TOTAL: $560 (All free shipping)+ $90 for Windows 7 Pro 64 bit OEM= $650

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Conclusion:
Any suggestions?
Am I missing anything?
Is anything bad/low value?
Is my Power supply enough?
Is my RAM compatible?
Will it all fit? :p 

Thanks in advance for the help.
Cameron

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November 27, 2010 10:04:09 PM

I'd get some cheaper ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
for $50 or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
for $40 if you like mushkin and don't mid messing with a rebate.
AMD needs cash these days, buying a 965 over a 955 is basically a donation to them (not a bad thing). 955 is the better value to the consumer though.
Power supply is more than enough, and it is not a bad unit, but I would go with something like this for peace of mind
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Using an old HDD?
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November 27, 2010 11:48:01 PM

Nice eco build. I would change to the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive for $70. It's a little more but it's more dependable. And this memory is c latency is 7 so between that 1600MHz speed you'll enjoy the performance increase for only $10 more! It's listed on the QVL so it will work well and is low voltage (1.35v) so it will run cooler as well. These add for about #30 more but I think you'll be happier.
November 28, 2010 12:49:27 AM

thanks for the feedback, am getting the Spinpoint.
How about the graphics card? will mine be adequate to run new games for the next couple years? I dont mind dropping an extra few bucks on a higher model, just not sure where it becomes overkill
November 28, 2010 12:53:52 AM

suteck said:
Nice eco build. I would change to the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive for $70. It's a little more but it's more dependable. And this memory is c latency is 7 so between that 1600MHz speed you'll enjoy the performance increase for only $10 more! It's listed on the QVL so it will work well and is low voltage (1.35v) so it will run cooler as well. These add for about #30 more but I think you'll be happier.


Is GSkill as good dependable? ive seen alot of DOA from them, and virtually none from Mushkin
November 28, 2010 1:09:43 AM

g.skill is great!
I also love how they always comment on consumer's reviews on the egg.
lifetime warranty as well.
my order of pref: G.skill>Mushkin>Corsair
November 28, 2010 1:25:58 AM

They both say DDR3 2000(O.C.) / 1333 / 1066 for memory support so there's no difference there, but you will like the crossfire x when you get to that upgrade so I would go with the M4A88T-V EVO/USB3. As for G-Skill having DOA problems I don't know anything about that. But I don't know everything :pt1cable:  YET! If you don't like it though make the choice on the Motherboard and we'll find you something better. Oh, as far as speed goes you will not get any benefit from anything faster the the 1600MHz. Usually the 1333 is about as fast as the cpu's can handle since they now have the controllers built into them.
November 28, 2010 1:38:20 AM

But if I go with the lower latency GSkills then i loose 4GB and pay more for it. I chose 2x 4GB because it is more "Future-proof" I have a 16GB capacity on 4 DIMMS and dont want to throw away any ram in the future.
ALSO: any RAM would have to be small because of the size of my After-market cooler. (It is my impression that Ripjaws is too big)
If I dropped to 4GB of RAM, would these be good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... lower latency and great price. I just need to know if Latency or capacity is more important

In all reality I would probably build a new computer before most of it becomes completely obsolete. After I buy this rig I will wait until AMD perfects Bulldozer and then build one of those.

I am currently running on a 4 year old laptop, and can barely run anything (or fit anything on my 100gb HD)
November 28, 2010 2:03:32 AM

Capacity is most important, then frequency, then rated voltage, then the color of the heat spreader, then the pictures on the packaging, then CAS latency. Don't worry about it.

A 212 is the most popular cooler here, and ripjaw is the most popular RAM, so I assume the cooler clears the RAM, maybe someone with this setup will chime in.

Don't worry about "Future proofing" so much, you can add 2*4GB to the empty slots down the road, and maintain dual channel, this will give you 12GB RAM.


"But if I go with the lower latency GSkills then i loose 4GB and pay more for it."-I don't know what this means.

"I chose 2x 4GB because it is more "Future-proof""-The post shows 2*2GB.
November 28, 2010 2:13:59 AM

I am sorry, I had my two choices of RAM in my cart, and i accidentally chose my second choice...Anyways, the ram I linked is only $45.
and the $80 RAM is:
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The post is correct now
November 28, 2010 2:21:14 AM

Oh contraire my friend The link you supplied shows 2 X 2GB and so did your post
Quote:
RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model 996781($80AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226101
Sorry, just picking on you. But if you want the 4 gigabyte sticks then the kingston value ram @1333 is the only ram I see that's compatible with the original board you chose. It's Kingston ValueRAM 4 GB Memory - DIMM 240-pin - 1333 MHz ( PC3-10600 ) and it will run you about $65 a stick. And I still like the other board better for future proofing the video performance you asked about earlier.
OOOps, just saw your last post. I'm a firm believer in QVL for memory and what you picked isn't on it. If Mushkin has a memory configurator or whatever they call it and they guarantee that memory works then you should be good, but otherwise I wouldn't recommend it if it's not.
November 28, 2010 2:27:33 AM

suteck said:
Oh contraire my friend The link you supplied shows 2 X 2GB and so did your post
Quote:
RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model 996781($80AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226101
Sorry, just picking on you. But if you want the 4 gigabyte sticks then the kingston value ram @1333 is the only ram I see that's compatible with the original board you chose. It's Kingston ValueRAM 4 GB Memory - DIMM 240-pin - 1333 MHz ( PC3-10600 ) and it will run you about $65 a stick. And I still like the other board better for future proofing the video performance you asked about earlier.

how did you check for compatibility? I downloaded the user manual and it listed the recommended compatible RAM, but I assumed that others were compatible.
November 28, 2010 2:34:36 AM

suteck said:
Oh contraire.

I believe you meant to say "Ah contraire"

Anyway, you could try the 4GB mushkin Dimms, and they would most likely work, or you could just go with 4GB now with potential to expand to 12GB in the future, and wait for an updated QVL and RAM price drops. I don't think it's much of a hit to take performance wise. In fact if I were future proofing I would be more likely to go to 1600 than to 8GB, since it'll be your slowest RAM holding you back, and I doubt you will find yourself in a situation where 12GB won't be enough but 16 will.
November 28, 2010 2:51:27 AM

From a previous Tom's thread I found this RAM,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-...

it is verified compatible, and has low timings. But it is pricey compared to my other posted options. Is there any way to check the compatibility before purchase? I read the QVL and went to the mushkin website to look for my board, their website does not feature my chosen board.
November 28, 2010 2:52:21 AM

Here's a link for the M4A88TD-V EVO and in case you're still interested in the 88T-V EVO here's the link for that one. Just type in the asked for code and download it. I have built quite a few systems lately and I find that as long as you stick to that list or corsair's memory configurator and G-Skill has one of their own you're in good shape. If you go off those lists you're guessing and taking a chance. And it's true that some other memory will work, it's a hit and miss game that I don't like to play. And I don't like to say things like it should work or it might be compatible so I only recommend things I find on those lists. If you find other memory manufacturers that also test and put out compatibility lists then they're telling you it WILL work because they tested it. You will almost NEVER find a motherboard manufacturer that updates those lists. They give you a handfull of what they test and they're done.

To answer that last post you gave I don't see it on the asus QVL and G-Skill doesn't show your board so If you find someone who tells you it's compatible, well, it's your build. I did find the earlier mentioned 7 latency F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO(XMP) and the price is still ~$90 for4 gigs (2 X 2GB) So other than it looking cooler and it is $5 cheaper I would stick with what ASUS suggests.
November 28, 2010 2:07:24 PM

The 880G is just a rehash of the 790X so you're not losing or gaining anything there. (A REVIEW) As for the board you will only be able to crossfire at the 8X speeds so you're giving up dual X16's to save $10. Not worth it in my opinion. You would have to practically double your initial spend just to upgrade instead of buying a second EAH5770 later. Of course there's nothing wrong with single card setups, it just cost more to duplicate the performance. Also, if you decide to go with that board you will need to do a memory compatibility check with the memory you have picked out. I also noticed you haven't changed your HDD to the spinpoint f3. Is that because you already have the other one? Just asking cause I keep going back to your build to check it against other parts and just noticed.
November 28, 2010 5:39:34 PM

Quote:
8X speeds so you're giving up dual X16's to save $10
GPUs only get bottlenecked at X1.... X4 is fine, X8 is great.... X16 it doesn't even use it all...
November 28, 2010 6:45:29 PM

ew at x4!!!
November 28, 2010 7:23:47 PM

lol... it'll still work.. it is something like a 90% performance...
November 28, 2010 7:33:05 PM

idk the number but i'd guess lower than that. 8x vs 16x is a 3% los (usually just a frame or two, you'd neva notice!)
November 28, 2010 9:00:12 PM

yeah.... something like that..
November 29, 2010 1:22:30 PM

Ya'll're mostly correct on the usage in game play visual effects. Usually only in very high resolutions with multiple monitors are you gonna see a difference, (nice to have the option). I was just stating the fact in the loss of the second X16 that the other boards have and my opinion that it is worth the $10 for the second slot. What if he wants to use the second slot for something other than a video card that uses the X16 bandwidth also? Or wants to put the video card in the second slot because of room constrictions or additional hardware in the case? And I guess that would make this statement -''You would have to practically double your initial spend just to upgrade instead of buying a second EAH5770 later" incorrect, so thanks for correcting me on that.
If 1X bottlenecks now, then 4x bottlenecks very soon so it sucks / 8X is fair / 8X x 2 is good / 16X is great / AND 16X x 2 ROCKS :bounce: 
November 29, 2010 6:44:01 PM

oh, it is 10$ difference? I should stop scanning.... hmm then go ahead and ubuy it =p
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