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Choosing between 9800GT Green, 5670 and Gt 240

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a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 8:17:10 AM

Hi all,

I'm on a limited budget of £50 (maybe pushing to £60), and what I'm looking for is a card that will fit the low power output of my current PSU. My PSU is a 300W with two 12v rails with 8A and 14A. I've been looking around for cards that don't require an external power connector, and came down to the 4670, the 5670 and the GT 240. However, I also noticed that there are some 9800 GTs out there that are branded as Green or Energy Efficient, and don't require as much power as a regular 9800 GT.

My question is, for my budget, which is better? I have a 24 inch monitor and would like to play games on 1920 x 1200 with maybe medium to high detail. My machine is an Acer M464, with quite a small case that rules out huge cards. Double slot cards with large coolers will fit, though it will be very snug. Currently I'm running a 9600GT that came with the system, but its a rubbish DDR2 version. I'm running 4gb of RAM, one SATA HDD and a Q6600 quad core. Nothing else is really drawing any power and I don't have many things attached via usb.

So my list of possibilities (in order of best to worse) looks something like this, but please correct me if I'm wrong!

5670 1Gb
9800 Gt 1Gb (if compatible)
5670 512mb
9800 Gt 512 mb (if compatible)
GT 240 1Gb DDR5
GT 240 512 mb DDR5
GT 240 1 gb DDR3
4670 1 Gb DDR3.

Now I know everyone's first and correct reaction will be to upgrade the PSU, but I am on that budget. Any suggestions would be very welcome!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 9:59:00 AM

Quick update, it seems that some 9800 Gt 1Gb versions aren't compatible, so the list looks like this now:

5670 1Gb
5670 512mb
9800 Gt 512 mb (I've checked and there some from Zotac that are low power)
GT 240 1Gb DDR5
GT 240 512 mb DDR5
GT 240 1 gb DDR3
4670 1 Gb DDR3.

Could anyone give any advice or recommendations based on my budget? Many thanks!
October 5, 2010 10:19:30 AM

I tried a 5670 1GB last week on a Athlon x4 635, 1920x1200.

TF2 ran great on very high. However, I did not have any recent game to test.

But the card was great.

I think 5670 wins some games and loses some against 9800GT, but you get dx11.

Beware, some models do require the 6 pins and some don't.
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a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 10:37:41 AM

Hmm, thanks for that warning! I've been browsing 5670 cards under the assumption that all of them didn't require external power connectors! Thanks for that.

Am I right in saying that a 1gb card will be more beneficial for 1900x1200 gaming than a 512 due to a higher frame buffer? In that case, would a 1gb GT 240 DDR3 be better for higher resoultions than a 9800 Gt 512? Thanks!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 10:38:01 AM

I would suggest the HD5670 1GB. DX11, newer architecture, runs cooler which equates to a better card overall. But if you do not care about DX11, then i would definitely suggest the 9800GT, which is faster than 5670.

I would not be going for the GT240 and the 9800GT green edition. Don't buy them.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 10:45:53 AM

plastichairball said:
Quick update, it seems that some 9800 Gt 1Gb versions aren't compatible, so the list looks like this now:

5670 1Gb
5670 512mb
9800 Gt 512 mb (I've checked and there some from Zotac that are low power)
GT 240 1Gb DDR5
GT 240 512 mb DDR5
GT 240 1 gb DDR3
4670 1 Gb DDR3.

Could anyone give any advice or recommendations based on my budget? Many thanks!


The 5670 has the best power/perfomance ratio (from the cards mentioned your list).
You need to check first if the PSU can handle the card:
Your PSU has a total of 22A on the 12V rails so you need to find how much current the Q6600 and the HDD consumes, subtract it from the 22A and see how much left for the graphic card.
There is a list of power consumption of cards in this site (in the middle):
http://www.google.co.il/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geeks3...

Divide the wattage shown by 12 to see how much current each card consumes.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:08:57 AM

hell_storm2004 said:
I would suggest the HD5670 1GB. DX11, newer architecture, runs cooler which equates to a better card overall. But if you do not care about DX11, then i would definitely suggest the 9800GT, which is faster than 5670.

I would not be going for the GT240 and the 9800GT green edition. Don't buy them.


Thanks for the advice, I was thinking much the same thing. DX11 is something that's on my mind, some say its not important now but they said that about DX10 when it first came out and it went mainstream quite quickly. I would like to know why you don't advise going with the green 9800 GT? I know it's slightly lower clocked than a normal 9800 GT, but surely even a lower clocked version is still quite powerful? I suppose if the 9800 GT has the edge over the 5670 in terms of performance, a slightly underclocked one would make them pretty even. After that it's just price and features, isn't it?
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:11:04 AM

FunSurfer said:
The 5670 has the best power/perfomance ratio (from the cards mentioned your list).
You need to check first if the PSU can handle the card:
Your PSU has a total of 22A on the 12V rails so you need to find how much current the Q6600 and the HDD consumes, subtract it from the 22A and see how much left for the graphic card.
There is a list of power consumption of cards in this site (in the middle):
http://www.google.co.il/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geeks3...

Divide the wattage shown by 12 to see how much current each card consumes.


Thanks man, that is some really good practical advice. It really really helps! Now, to take it one step further... how can I tell accurately how much power my CPU and HDD are consuming? And that's without fiddling around with a multi-meter. Thanks!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:14:00 AM

So if its even then why go for the DX10 card, when you can get a DX11 one... right?

With the cards that you plan to add and if you want to overclock, even then a good 450W from a reputed brand should be enough. Which PSU do you currently have?
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:17:20 AM

plastichairball said:
Thanks for the advice, I was thinking much the same thing. DX11 is something that's on my mind, some say its not important now but they said that about DX10 when it first came out and it went mainstream quite quickly. I would like to know why you don't advise going with the green 9800 GT? I know it's slightly lower clocked than a normal 9800 GT, but surely even a lower clocked version is still quite powerful? I suppose if the 9800 GT has the edge over the 5670 in terms of performance, a slightly underclocked one would make them pretty even. After that it's just price and features, isn't it?

How many DX10 titles are there? Not ones with DX10 tacked on as an afterthought but proper DX10 only? It never really went "mainstream" and whilst I hope that DX11 does a lot better it isn't quite here yet and neither is the hardware, second gen should always be better than the first hopefully, so if DX11 is what you're really after then wait for the next round of cards.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:30:13 AM

hell_storm2004 said:
So if its even then why go for the DX10 card, when you can get a DX11 one... right?

With the cards that you plan to add and if you want to overclock, even then a good 450W from a reputed brand should be enough. Which PSU do you currently have?


Too true, too true. The only other factor is price. I'm really really struggling to find a 5670 in my budget range, and the 9800 GT is indeed cheaper. My current PSU is a no name brand came with the PC 300W with dual 12v rails supplying 8A and 12A. Not great, but then again I'm not a millionaire and I can't save up for a new psu and gpu. I pretty much have one shot, one budget to spend!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:37:17 AM

300W wont run a 9800GT anyways, so it looks like you have to get a new PSU to start off with.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:39:23 AM

Mousemonkey said:
How many DX10 titles are there? Not ones with DX10 tacked on as an afterthought but proper DX10 only? It never really went "mainstream" and whilst I hope that DX11 does a lot better it isn't quite here yet and neither is the hardware, second gen should always be better than the first hopefully, so if DX11 is what you're really after then wait for the next round of cards.


True again, true. I suppose I should have said it went mainstream as a feature. Problem is, if I waited for the next round of DX11 cards to come out, and following that for them to drop in price I might be stuck with my current card maybe into 2012!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:41:31 AM

hell_storm2004 said:
300W wont run a 9800GT anyways, so it looks like you have to get a new PSU to start off with.


Yeah, but as I said I can't get a new psu. And as far as I can tell, the 9800 GT green will run on my 300W.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:50:05 AM

plastichairball said:
True again, true. I suppose I should have said it went mainstream as a feature. Problem is, if I waited for the next round of DX11 cards to come out, and following that for them to drop in price I might be stuck with my current card maybe into 2012!

Sometimes the waiting is worth it though, I had to stick with a pair 0f 7900GT's whilst the 8800GTS/GTX's were doing the rounds because I believed that the next gen were going to be better and when the G92 8800's did come out they were indeed better and also cheaper, so it's not always a bad thing.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 11:54:02 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Sometimes the waiting is worth it though, I had to stick with a pair 0f 7900GT's whilst the 8800GTS/GTX's were doing the rounds because I believed that the next gen were going to be better and when the G92 8800's did come out they were indeed better and also cheaper, so it's not always a bad thing.


Well I admire your patience, mostly because I don't have it! I suppose if I was stuck with anything meatier than my current horrible DDR2 card I might be able to wait it out, but this card is making it very, very difficult.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:01:45 PM

The problem is that the cards you have listed are not that big of an upgrade from what you already have, the GT240 for example is the DX10.1 replacement of the 9600GT and the DDR3 version is the same and the DDR5 version is just a smidgen better and a 9800GT (full fat not Eco version) would most likely cause PSU problems with a 300 watter and the green version would not be much better than what you already have.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:10:54 PM

Mousemonkey said:
The problem is that the cards you have listed are not that big of an upgrade from what you already have, the GT240 for example is the DX10.1 replacement of the 9600GT and the DDR3 version is the same and the DDR5 version is just a smidgen better and a 9800GT (full fat not Eco version) would most likely cause PSU problems with a 300 watter and the green version would not be much better than what you already have.


I don't know about that. As far as I can tell from having 2 8600 Gt cards (one was 1gb DDR2 and the other was 256mb DDR3) the card I have now (9600gt 1 gb DDR2) is a huge step down even from a 4670. It has a meagre 128 bit bandwidth and the RAM is inferior. I think even a 4670 would be pulling myself up considerably, but if I'm going to spend the money I would like to get the best that I can for the money that I have!
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:16:49 PM

If I were in your position (and I am, kind of) I would be looking to get a damn good PSU first as that would open up a lot more options of cards to think of getting, especially if you consider that the GTS450's are currently under £100 pounds and will hopefully get a lot cheaper as that's about what the GT240's were priced at this time last year.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:20:57 PM

Mousemonkey said:
If I were in your position (and I am, kind of) I would be looking to get a damn good PSU first as that would open up a lot more options of cards to think of getting, especially if you consider that the GTS450's are currently under £100 pounds and will hopefully get a lot cheaper as that's about what the GT240's were priced at this time last year.


Hmm, that does sound like the sensible thing to do, but it then leaves me with 2 problems.

1) I have to wait. Maybe a long time!
2) If I get a decent PSU it will eat into my GPU budget considerably. As it is I'm struggling to find anything decent under £60!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:27:38 PM

Quote:
GT240 ddr5 512mb version..


Interestingly, you're the only person to say so! I've got it down as an option but a lot of people wouldn't throw that card for their dog to fetch! Benchmarks show it isn't that bad!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:45:39 PM



That is a great PSU, but the only problem with getting it is that I'd then have.... £3.70 to get a GPU. And I don't fancy my chances with that amount of pocket change! I think I was misunderstood earlier, I have a max budget of £60 for EVERYTHING! It is so limiting!! That's why I'm considering the above options that I initially posted!
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:51:28 PM

With only £60 max you are pretty much boned mate.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 12:59:14 PM

it would be in your best interest to wait, you never know you might find the money over the next few months to buy a GPU and PSU. It isn't possible to recommend a proper upgrade without feeling like we are shorting you due to the limited budget and PSU.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 1:17:05 PM

Thanks all, you're really good guys. I'll see how long I can wait for, maybe something will come up! Thanks again!
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 1:20:55 PM

plastichairball said:
Thanks all, you're really good guys. I'll see how long I can wait for, maybe something will come up! Thanks again!

No worries mate, just stay away from the GT240's, if you don't then you will be disappointed.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 1:28:51 PM

I somehow don't like the GT240 card. God knows why. Anyways, to the OP, try to save some cash and get a new PSU and GPU combo.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 1:48:37 PM

plastichairball said:
Thanks man, that is some really good practical advice. It really really helps! Now, to take it one step further... how can I tell accurately how much power my CPU and HDD are consuming? And that's without fiddling around with a multi-meter. Thanks!


The Q6600 consumes 105W (8.75A) and sata drive consumes about 20W at peak use when accelerates from 0 to 7200 rpm (1.6A) fans take also 1A so you are left with 10.65A (128W) for your GPU.
You will not be able to overclock that system and also non-branded PSUs tend to produce less power over time so you will have to start saving money for a new PSU eventually.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 2:07:07 PM

Quote:
great minds think alike bro.... :sol: 
useless info - my pny gt240 ddr5 512mb gets 6.8 on both graphics test in the WEI
dual monitors on high resolution.
something to think about..


[rant] WEI has to be one of the most useless things in the world, it gives my hard drives a low grade because they are not SSD. WEI just does a great job of telling you the wrong answer on what to upgrade. [/rant]
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 2:23:33 PM











How is the GT240 so much better than the 9600GT again, the benchies don't seem to back you up Mal.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 2:23:37 PM

FunSurfer said:
The Q6600 consumes 105W (8.75A) and sata drive consumes about 20W at peak use when accelerates from 0 to 7200 rpm (1.6A) fans take also 1A so you are left with 10.65A (128W) for your GPU.
You will not be able to overclock that system and also non-branded PSUs tend to produce less power over time so you will have to start saving money for a new PSU eventually.


Hmm, and if the 5670 consumes under 6A, then that gives me about 4A headroom. That's not too bad!
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 2:25:21 PM
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 3:48:19 PM

plastichairball said:
Oh, right then!

sorry mate but I had to pop out for a bit, did that article answer any of your questions though?
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 3:51:04 PM

I still recommend waiting until you can buy a better GPU and PSU at the same time.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:13:12 PM

Quote:
however i must say that I have not seen a green 9800gt.
i have seen a low powered 9600gt..

They are both of the same level of poopiness really and the GT240 would be OK if the OP did not already have a 9600GT albeit a DDR2, it's still not worth replacing it with what is just an updated version of the same card.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:26:31 PM

Yeah, there are green 9800 gts out there, the manufacturers i've found are bfg, evga, and zotac.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:33:02 PM

plastichairball said:
Yeah, there are green 9800 gts out there, the manufacturers i've found are bfg, evga, and zotac.

For starters the "Green" 9800GT's are little better than the 9600's but if you are prepared to OC it you might be able to get near the performance of a normal one, secondly avoid BFG cards as they went belly up a little while ago so there would be no warranty really although I did see mention of PNY stepping up to the plate and taking care of ex BFG customers.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:40:43 PM

Mousemonkey said:
They are both of the same level of poopiness really and the GT240 would be OK if the OP did not already have a 9600GT albeit a DDR2, it's still not worth replacing it with what is just an updated version of the same card.

Thanks for the article, it was quite good! I've looked around for articles that compare the gt 240 with the 5670, and the 5670 won in most rounds but sometimes not by much. So as far as i can tell, the 5670 is equal to or slightly better than a green 9800 gt, which is better than a green 9600 gt, which is slightly better or equal to a gt 240, which is better than a 4670. The 5670 is my first choice, but what stops me is its high price, but then again you get what you pay for! The 9800 gt and the gt 240 are actually in my price range, which makes this a tough decision! Throw in the fact that i'm worried that some people advise to stay away from green cards, and i find myself in a right pickle! Waiting to buy a new psu and card is a definite option, but most good cards are quite large and i'll have space issues next!
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:43:24 PM

The joys of building and fiddling with your own PC eh? :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:45:08 PM

Why are you in such a rush? We are just wanting to make sure you know all the facts and that you don't end up going out and buying a card only to find out that you have the same performance as you did before. Sometimes it is best just to wait and then you end up with something you want rather then a comprimise.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 4:55:40 PM

Quote:
without new psu - you already have 9600GT so you have limited options.
5670 is good card, sure you can run it on 300watt psu.?
the 9600GT is probably the limit on 300watts.
GT240 ddr5 512mb can run on 300watts, anything else just about requires an upgrade.
performance wise the 9600GT and GT240 is a push take hear and there reviews,
the GT240 with 10.1 directx and hdmi is still a technology upgrade from the 9600GT.

I can't agree with you on that, the only thing that the GT240 has is DX10.1 which is not worth squat. HDMI is possible with use of a SPIDF cable and a DVI to HDMI adapter on the 9600GT, even my 9500GT has a HDMI port so it's not that big of a deal as far as I'm concerned.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 5:44:43 PM

Quote:
I actually have both the pny gt240 ddr5 512mb and the nVidia 9600GT ddr3 512mb (low powered) in two similar rigs.
run them both everyday and both were upgraded at the same time from 8600GT's (evga 512mb and xfx-oc 256mb).
real-world experiences with them is where I come from.
the gt240, my gt240 in my machine, runs smoother than my 9600gt, in my other machine of nearly same specs.
the 9600gt can be pushed harder, my (even low powered) 9600gt can be pushed harder.
how's that.

correct about the hdmi port, I personally like it already there.
and the difference in 10.1 directx and 10 is minimal, more like a revison update.
but it's there.

this is part of my hardware configuration and I approve this message.... :kaola:  lol..

I still reckon my 8800GT rig would rip your GT240 rig a new one. :finger:
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 5:57:17 PM

Quote:
you cheat.. you're running dual 8800's not fair.. lol
it is nice having more than one machine isn't it.?

Oh, you noticed that :ange:  , well I didn't say it would be a fair fight just that I would win! :lol: 
And yes, two or more rigs is definately the way to go for me as the 8800GT rig makes one helluva racket with five 80mm case fans running at flat chat.
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 6:05:25 PM

I use a perspex case for the 8800's and with the blue LED's on the fans an motherboard it looks quite good, it's just so darn loud due to lack of a fan controller that cope with five four pin fans.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 6:37:17 PM

Hi guys, sorry to interrupt but I thought I'd try and get some perspective with my current card. It's a 9600 GT, 1 Gb DDR2. 128 bit, 600 core clock, 1500 shader clock, 400 memory clock. Is it a bad card?
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 7:14:04 PM

plastichairball said:
Hi guys, sorry to interrupt but I thought I'd try and get some perspective with my current card. It's a 9600 GT, 1 Gb DDR2. 128 bit, 600 core clock, 1500 shader clock, 400 memory clock. Is it a bad card?

No, it's just a medium to bottom end card that was OK three years ago for medium range gaming.
And no Mal, I won't bother with a fan controller unless I can get one that can control four pin fans.
a b U Graphics card
October 5, 2010 8:13:59 PM

Mousemonkey said:
No, it's just a medium to bottom end card that was OK three years ago for medium range gaming.
And no Mal, I won't bother with a fan controller unless I can get one that can control four pin fans.


Man, so in other words if I splash out £70 on a 5670 I'm not going to see that much of an increase in performance? Wow! I'll save my cash then!
!