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October 31, 2011 2:13:45 AM

Getting conflicting info on the P67 vs Z68 issue. I plan to drop in an i2700k. Have a link explaining the differences? SSD caching? Are either of them Sandy Bridge-E compatible.

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October 31, 2011 6:47:54 AM

The main difference between them is the support for SSD caching and Virtue support(and few other minor differences)
I'd go with Z68 because it's newer and as mentioned,it offers more features
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October 31, 2011 7:51:29 AM

rodger 1 said:
Getting conflicting info on the P67 vs Z68 issue. I plan to drop in an i2700k. Have a link explaining the differences? SSD caching? Are either of them Sandy Bridge-E compatible.

wikipedia link comparing intel chipsets.
z68 is the more complete chipset. it supports all the features core i series cpus have. a z68 motherboard will be the best for core i7 2700k imo.
z68 and p67 are not compatible with sb-e. sb-e uses lga 2011 socket and x79 chipset. x79 is the replacement x58 chipset.
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October 31, 2011 8:06:58 AM

If money is not an issue... Z68 boards always!
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October 31, 2011 8:40:50 AM

go with 2500k it will give you similar performace as 2600k with low price and choose z68 mobo like asus p8z68 vpro these are the upgraded version of p67 they have new features like 3x time faster video edition and conversion,ssd caching,switchable graphics,intel smart response for ssd speed for hdd and with integrated graphics where as p67 doesn't.
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November 2, 2011 10:33:53 PM

p67 - if u want good overclocking
z68 - if u want video editing ( also more expensive Z68 can do pretty good OC ... some of them just need a BIOS update )
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November 2, 2011 10:50:53 PM

Wow there's a lot of interesting ideas.

First, the SB-E is an LGA 2011 CPU so NO it won't work on ANY LGA 1155 MOBO.

Second, if price isn't a concern then there's NO reason to use Intel RST. Simply get a 120GB+ dedicated SSD {OS + Apps + Working Data (Rendering/Database)} + HDD {General Data (Video, Music, Documents, etc)}.

Third, the i7-2700K isn't worth a nickle more than the i7-2600K. They are the same EXACT CPU with a +1 bin CPU multiplier on an already UNLOCKED CPU. People spending +$50 at NewEgg are 100% fools!

P67 vs Z68 from a purest standpoint the P67 typically offers faster: SATA, USB, 0~4% faster gaming frame rate. The only real justification for Z68 is QuickSync for output of MPEG-2/4/H.264 file. See -> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4330/asus-p8z68v-review/5

Overclocking, the 'magic number' on an LGA 1155 + Sandy Bridge (K) CPU is 12-Phases, or higher to achieve the lowest vCore. Lower vCore = Lower Temps = Higher OC = Longer Life span of the CPU; e.g. 4.5GHz (1.32v vs 1.45v).

IMO IF cost isn't a concern, to a degree, then IMO wait for the SB-E/LGA 2011/X79. Niceties are: Quad Channel, 32-lanes of PCIe, 6-core CPUs, and the ability to do 4-WAY SLI on a Sandy Bridge family CPU. Due out November 14th.
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November 3, 2011 12:13:53 PM

I thought Ivy Bridge is compatible with h67, p67 and z68 ??!
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November 3, 2011 12:21:43 PM

Ivy Bridge and SB-E are different... i think! I am waiting for the LGA 2011 chips to hit the market! Lets see what they are capable of!
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November 3, 2011 12:22:32 PM

madchemist83 said:
I thought Ivy Bridge is compatible with h67, p67 and z68 ??!

no, however ivy bridge is lga 2011 while sandybridge is lga 1155 and p67 or z68 both are lga 1155.
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November 3, 2011 3:51:26 PM

Interesting again; see -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Ivy_Bridge_2

LGA 2011 (2011 CPU Pins; nothing to do with a date/year):
SB-E = Sandy Bridge Extreme ; no iGPU support (32nm Lithography)

LGA 1155 (1155 CPU Pins):
Sandy Bridge (32nm Lithography)
Ivy Bridge (22nm Lithography)

The 'current' LGA 1155 MOBO's can support the Q2/Q3 2012 LGA 1155 Ivy Bridge AFTER a BIOS update with the 22nm CPUID aka 'Ivy Bridge' support. This is IF the MOBO manufacturer offers the updated BIOS. Problem, don't assume the same for OEM PC's e.g. Dell, HP, Gateway, etc to offer 22nm CPU (CPUID) updated BIOS support; I would assume they won't.

Future Intel CPU -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_Intel_micro...
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November 3, 2011 6:38:38 PM

pro-gamer said:
no, however ivy bridge is lga 2011 while sandybridge is lga 1155 and p67 or z68 both are lga 1155.

read this:
jaquith said:
Interesting again; see -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Ivy_Bridge_2

LGA 2011 (2011 CPU Pins; nothing to do with a date/year):
SB-E = Sandy Bridge Extreme ; no iGPU support (32nm Lithography)

LGA 1155 (1155 CPU Pins):
Sandy Bridge (32nm Lithography)
Ivy Bridge (22nm Lithography)

The 'current' LGA 1155 MOBO's can support the Q2/Q3 2012 LGA 1155 Ivy Bridge AFTER a BIOS update with the 22nm CPUID aka 'Ivy Bridge' support. This is IF the MOBO manufacturer offers the updated BIOS. Problem, don't assume the same for OEM PC's e.g. Dell, HP, Gateway, etc to offer 22nm CPU (CPUID) updated BIOS support; I would assume they won't.

Future Intel CPU -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_Intel_micro...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/IntelProcessorRoadmap-3.svg/960px-IntelProcessorRoadmap-3.svg.png


ivy bridge might have it's own x-series ivb-e platform but that's far into the future and right now is only speculation.
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November 3, 2011 8:14:19 PM

I am not aware of any plans for a "LGA 2011 version" of the Ivy Bridge, my 'guess' is the SB-E LGA 2011 replacement is the '8-core' Haswell.
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November 4, 2011 4:31:43 PM

jaquith said:
Wow there's a lot of interesting ideas.

First, the SB-E is an LGA 2011 CPU so NO it won't work on ANY LGA 1155 MOBO.

Second, if price isn't a concern then there's NO reason to use Intel RST. Simply get a 120GB+ dedicated SSD {OS + Apps + Working Data (Rendering/Database)} + HDD {General Data (Video, Music, Documents, etc)}.

Third, the i7-2700K isn't worth a nickle more than the i7-2600K. They are the same EXACT CPU with a +1 bin CPU multiplier on an already UNLOCKED CPU. People spending +$50 at NewEgg are 100% fools!

P67 vs Z68 from a purest standpoint the P67 typically offers faster: SATA, USB, 0~4% faster gaming frame rate. The only real justification for Z68 is QuickSync for output of MPEG-2/4/H.264 file. See -> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4330/asus-p8z68v-review/5

Overclocking, the 'magic number' on an LGA 1155 + Sandy Bridge (K) CPU is 12-Phases, or higher to achieve the lowest vCore. Lower vCore = Lower Temps = Higher OC = Longer Life span of the CPU; e.g. 4.5GHz (1.32v vs 1.45v).

IMO IF cost isn't a concern, to a degree, then IMO wait for the SB-E/LGA 2011/X79. Niceties are: Quad Channel, 32-lanes of PCIe, 6-core CPUs, and the ability to do 4-WAY SLI on a Sandy Bridge family CPU. Due out November 14th.


Given that Microcenter is having great i5/i7 and mobo combo deals currently, is it really worth it to wait for SB-E/x79? Am I going to see a noticeable speed difference for gaming, versus the cost increase? I currently resurrected an Athlon 64 x2 sitting in the closet that had integrated graphics, and I bought a 6870 for $90 on craigslist and obviously the cpu is slowing the card down. I can still play the newest games with settings turned down, but again I'm thinking of upgrading the cpu/mobo/memory. I'm also debating whether or not to go the p67 or z68 route since I won't be using any of the z68 features. In reality, I can get a nicer p67 board for less for the same z68 board from the same manufacturer. For example an Asus P8P67 Deluxe is $210 vs Asus P8Z68 Deluxe is $265. Any advice is appreciated.
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November 4, 2011 5:04:03 PM

The only justification IMO for the LGA 2011 + SB-E is if you plan to 4-WAY, Render or Pseudo Workstation on the cheap i.e. non-Xeon + non-ECC with 8x8GB or 8x4GB. Otherwise sure it's native x16/x16 but the differences might be 0~4~8FPS depending on your resolution(s) and/or high Anti-Aliasing 8xAA.

Hmm...P67 or Z68? Price not the issue

For the vast majority of Gamer's I recommend the following MOBO's for 2-WAY:
Z68 ASUS P8Z68-V PRO
P67 P8P67 PRO (REV 3.0) or (3.1) whichever is the cheaper

There are 'GEN3' versions but being real they're not worth any more. The Deluxe versions are also fine IF you need a USB 3.0 Front Bay; {Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, USB3 Ft Panel} - Use the Intel SATA2/3 ports before Marvell.
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November 4, 2011 5:21:11 PM

jaquith said:
The only justification IMO for the LGA 2011 + SB-E is if you plan to 4-WAY, Render or Pseudo Workstation on the cheap i.e. non-Xeon + non-ECC with 8x8GB or 8x4GB. Otherwise sure it's native x16/x16 but the differences might be 0~4~8FPS depending on your resolution(s) and/or high Anti-Aliasing 8xAA.

Hmm...P67 or Z68? Price not the issue

For the vast majority of Gamer's I recommend the following MOBO's for 2-WAY:
Z68 ASUS P8Z68-V PRO
P67 P8P67 PRO (REV 3.0) or (3.1) whichever is the cheaper

There are 'GEN3' versions but being real they're not worth any more. The Deluxe versions are also fine IF you need a USB 3.0 Front Bay; {Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, USB3 Ft Panel} - Use the Intel SATA2/3 ports before Marvell.



Precisely my point. If I am strictly going to game with this upgrade, and I already have discrete graphics, and am going to purchase a ssd, isn't it better to go for the P8P67 Pro R3 @ $160 vs P8Z68-V Pro @$210 from microcenter?

Also, depending on how satisfied I am with this 6870 after upgrading the cpu/mobo, I am considering 570 sli'd. Does that play a factor in this?
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November 4, 2011 5:44:33 PM

I'm not a fanboy of Intel SRT (SSD Caching), but if you're purchasing an SSD 20GB~64GB then probably the Z68 option, and/or if you plan to create a lot of MPEG-2/4/H.264 and a Z68 with Virtu capability.

Keep in mind the MOBO's I posted above aren't by accident you want at least 12-Phases to the CPU for Sandy Bridge LGA 1155.

I have built using both MOBO's and the P67 has a slight edge for some SATA benches, but otherwise are the same.

Regarding the GTX 570 vs HD 6870 all depends on: 1. What games, 2. What Resolution & Details incl AA, and what versions of the GPUs ** vRAM ** sizes. Most GTX 570's are 1.25GB whereas there were the 2.5GB versions ditto with the HD 6870 1GB and 2GB versions. Higher resolutions and/or Higher Details the >GB (vRAM) FPS perform better. Then there's 8GB+ RAM 2%~30% increase from levels of 'Shared RAM' to the GPU... Meaning lots of things affect performance. In any case for nVidia get EVGA with lifetime warranties and ditto AMD/ATI e.g. XFX or any reputable company with similar warranties.

Couple of links:
GTX 580 SLI - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-sli-revie...
GTX 570 SLI - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...
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November 4, 2011 6:20:16 PM

jaquith said:
I'm not a fanboy of Intel SRT (SSD Caching), but if you're purchasing an SSD 20GB~64GB then probably the Z68 option, and/or if you plan to create a lot of MPEG-2/4/H.264 and a Z68 with Virtu capability.

Keep in mind the MOBO's I posted above aren't by accident you want at least 12-Phases to the CPU for Sandy Bridge LGA 1155.

I have built using both MOBO's and the P67 has a slight edge for some SATA benches, but otherwise are the same.

Regarding the GTX 570 vs HD 6870 all depends on: 1. What games, 2. What Resolution & Details incl AA, and what versions of the GPUs ** vRAM ** sizes. Most GTX 570's are 1.25GB whereas there were the 2.5GB versions ditto with the HD 6870 1GB and 2GB versions. Higher resolutions and/or Higher Details the >GB (vRAM) FPS perform better. Then there's 8GB+ RAM 2%~30% increase from levels of 'Shared RAM' to the GPU... Meaning lots of things affect performance. In any case for nVidia get EVGA with lifetime warranties and ditto AMD/ATI e.g. XFX or any reputable company with similar warranties.

Couple of links:
GTX 580 SLI - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-sli-revie...
GTX 570 SLI - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...


Thanks for the advice. I've decided to go P67 since I won't be transcoding, and I'll be using a dedicated gpu and instead use the savings towards a larger SSD 128GB or more...

What do you think is the best p67 mobo for overclocking/gaming in $200 and under? the P8P67 Pro R3?
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November 4, 2011 6:56:47 PM

Microcenter has z68 motherboards that cost less than the Asus P8P67 Pro R3, such as the Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3 and Z68X-UD3H at $140 and $150 respectively with MIR. It still appears that strictly from a gaming build, the Asus P8P67 Pro R3 overclocks slightly better and has that UEFI feature that the Gigabyte mobos don't have. I've also have heard Asus is pretty unbeatable as far as motherboard quality goes.
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November 4, 2011 7:01:23 PM

Often less is more, as I mentioned the P67 P8P67 PRO (REV 3.0) or (3.1) whichever is the cheaper, and IF you need: Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, or USB3 Ft Panel then the P8P67 DELUXE. The differences between 3.0 and 3.1 are the USB 3.0 chipsets - period. The 3.0 uses NEC which IMO are better but not worth more than $5~$10.

TIP - prior to installing the OS flash the BIOS to the latest version; 90% of the issues for the P67's is the older BIOS versions. Use ASUS Easy Flash 2; see -> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/289507-30-what-flash
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November 9, 2011 4:15:01 PM

jaquith said:
Often less is more, as I mentioned the P67 P8P67 PRO (REV 3.0) or (3.1) whichever is the cheaper, and IF you need: Marvell 9128 RAID 0/1, Dual Intel/Realtek LAN, or USB3 Ft Panel then the P8P67 DELUXE. The differences between 3.0 and 3.1 are the USB 3.0 chipsets - period. The 3.0 uses NEC which IMO are better but not worth more than $5~$10.

TIP - prior to installing the OS flash the BIOS to the latest version; 90% of the issues for the P67's is the older BIOS versions. Use ASUS Easy Flash 2; see -> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/289507-30-what-flash



I got the P8P67 pro rev3.1 from microcenter and it's giving me a vga red light error. I've looked around the web, and it seems to be a pretty common problem. I don't have a speaker on this case, but all my components are brand new and good quality, other than the used 6870 that was working fine in the old setup minutes before. So, I'm thinking of going a different board, since my local microcenter is out of these at this point. I was considering:

Asus P8Z68-V $180
Asus P8Z68-V Pro $210 (I don't know the difference between these two. Maybe better overclocking because of 12 phases on the pro. Also not sure if it's worth the extra $40 for an extra 100-200mhz, if that's what that entails by "better" overclocking.)

Asrock P67 Extreme 4 non Gen 3 (they're all out of gen 3) $160

Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H $150
Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3 $140

MSI P67A-GD55 $140
MSI P67A-GD65 $155
MSI Z68A-G45 $130
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November 10, 2011 2:32:00 AM

I was going for p67 pro too ... I guess no more if it has issues. Msi gd65 is pretty good. Otherwise asrock
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November 10, 2011 10:28:10 AM

the better way is to go with p67 pro overclocking too easy,built-in bluetooth many best features in this board.
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November 11, 2011 3:31:53 PM

UPDATE THE BIOS!!! Do it BEFORE installing the OS, and I assume the GPU is properly seated AND powered by the PSU (e.g. 4/6/8 pin).
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November 11, 2011 8:21:42 PM

how do u update it before installing os?
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November 12, 2011 10:53:51 PM

What are the odds that LGA 2011 will actually release on Monday, Nov 14th as rumored? How does this normally work with Intel...they fire a start gun and everybody puts it up for sale?
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November 13, 2011 2:35:24 AM

I'm not sure but I think manufacturers already have mobos available
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November 13, 2011 1:59:02 PM

madchemist83 said:
how do u update it before installing os?

ALL MOBO's allow the BIOS to be be updated without the need of an OS. Examples: ASUS Easy Flash 2 and Gigabyte Q-Flash. Some ASUS MOBO's ca be flashed without a CPU or RAM e.g. ASUS USB BIOS Flashback.

As far as the LGA 2011 release date, yep everything I keep hearing suggests tomorrow November 14, 2011. We'll all know in a day...
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November 13, 2011 2:23:53 PM

nov. 14 eh? i didn't know sb-e had a release date. so that's when the ndas will lift and we'll see some reviews. can't wait for it!(though i'll never buy an sb-e system, but still.. :) )
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March 24, 2012 11:01:06 PM

rodger 1 said:
Getting conflicting info on the P67 vs Z68 issue. I plan to drop in an i2700k. Have a link explaining the differences? SSD caching? Are either of them Sandy Bridge-E compatible.



Z68 is the right choice bcoz it offers more features like Intel SRT(Smart Response Technology) or SSD caching and virtu lucid(utilizing both iGPU and discrete GPU) and when the Ivy Bridge CPU comes it will be compatible with Z68 chipset LGA 1155 motherboard all it needs is a BIOS update. For the Sandy Bridge-E(Extreme), no it is not compatible with i7 2700K. Sandy Bridge-E has X79 chipset motherboards LGA 2011 sockets and they are very expensive to build.
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