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October 7, 2010 12:04:44 PM

hi guys . many games have been based on NVIDIA cards , some people say that ATI run games smoother . now with this words i have 2 selection

GET 5850 or GTX 460

which one is better in almost all games ? I heard ATI cards some how perform blowing Action scenes smoother than NVIDIA cards . Nvidia cards lag for a second in blowing action ( when car blows or house get destrioed ) . is it true ?Can you give me site that i can compare & see becnhmarks of 2 diffrente VGA cards ?

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October 7, 2010 12:14:10 PM

Thanks . Can you say which one is better i am ot asking about a specified Model , Just wanna know which is better for gaming & fast actions ? ATI or NVIDIA ?
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October 7, 2010 12:20:32 PM

GTX 460 my friend for poles and various reasons, as they is the differences technologies that it incorporates.... cuda etc. And 90% the 90% of games are support by NVIDIA.....
if you want the opinion you remain to me long from ATI, because you will have their problem and specifically with drivers.
i I had before 4870X2 and now finally have the GTX295 and do not have no problem already
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October 7, 2010 12:23:49 PM

AMD 6xxx series comes out in about 2 weeks or so. The first part, being Barts, is targeted right at the price zone your in. Wait for that to come out, then make up your mind. Nvidia will lower prices on the GTX 460 as well, so its a win win no matter what.
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October 7, 2010 12:34:11 PM

will ATI drop's its prices down too ? IS 5850 Suitable at all for gaming ? because i saw fast gaming in youtube videos ? i realy dont know which will work fine on my SYSTEM . maybe ATI or Maybe NVIDA ?
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October 7, 2010 12:48:19 PM

If you purely equate it to performance then it would definitely be the HD5850. If you want to save the cash then the GTX460 is the best price to performance of all cards available today!
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October 7, 2010 12:48:57 PM

8Vidia said:
will ATI drop's its prices down too ? IS 5850 Suitable at all for gaming ? because i saw fast gaming in youtube videos ? i realy dont know which will work fine on my SYSTEM . maybe ATI or Maybe NVIDA ?


Id assume AMD would drop prices on the 5xxx series as well. The 5850 is a great gaming card. Its capable of most games at max settings. All the same, wait till 6xxx. Then you can decide between them all, have better choice, and lower prices.
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October 7, 2010 12:50:14 PM

Oh so NVidia has both ? but why some people say that ATI works faster & smoother in GAMES ? is it your own opinion or its worldwide opinion ?
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October 7, 2010 12:54:25 PM

If 5850 drop its price i would hunt it , lol . when will that happen , is it even possible for ATI to make its costumers more happy & satisfy about prices ?
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October 7, 2010 12:55:32 PM

:lol:  Its his opinion. They both run games the same way. Neither one is really gonna give you faster or smoother gameplay, that depends on the individual card. A 5870 will give smoother gameplay than a GTX 470, which will give smoother gameplay than a 5850, which will give smoother gameplay than a GTX 460.
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October 7, 2010 1:04:28 PM

lol, of course it does . but they cant be the same tchnology some of them may have something special that is usefull in games ? dont you think ? or maybe there is nothing special . look how that little board make all this questions , conversations & discusion , hehe
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October 7, 2010 1:11:21 PM

8Vidia said:
lol, of course it does . but they cant be the same tchnology some of them may have something special that is usefull in games ? dont you think ? or maybe there is nothing special . look how that little board make all this questions , conversations & discusion , hehe


They both have special features, eyefinity, CUDA, stream, Physx, but they basically cancel out. Its nothing that would make 1 video card a better buy.
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October 7, 2010 1:15:04 PM

Yes of course .
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October 7, 2010 1:19:50 PM

The GTX 460 gets to 90% of the performance of the 5850.It is cheaper as well. Hence it is a better buy considering price/performance.
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October 7, 2010 1:35:08 PM

Tamz_msc said:
The GTX 460 gets to 90% of the performance of the 5850.It is cheaper as well. Hence it is a better buy considering price/performance.


You can get 5850s for really cheap now.
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October 7, 2010 1:47:04 PM

HD 5850 240$ after MIR(XFX)
GTX 460 1GB 210$ after MIR(MSI Cyclone)

SOurce: Newegg

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October 7, 2010 1:47:31 PM

How ? which brand?
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October 7, 2010 1:49:24 PM

Is XFX trustable BRAND ? because i heard bad news of its board . many say ASUS is there any diffrence B2win cheapest 5850 & most expensive one ?
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October 7, 2010 1:51:40 PM

DOES IT WORTH to get OC version ?
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a b Î Nvidia
October 7, 2010 1:57:19 PM

No, yes, good bad news. Sure.
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October 7, 2010 1:57:52 PM

@8Vidia, There is no need to post three times in a row, just use the "Quick Edit" function.
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October 7, 2010 2:02:14 PM

Ok , Thanks for reminding me MOUSEMONKEY . i will do that next time
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October 7, 2010 2:10:49 PM

Just wait till 6xxx!!! 5850 at $240 and GTX 460 at $210 are basically the same price to performance, so just wait for 6xxx and 460 prices to drop.
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October 7, 2010 8:45:49 PM

Ok GOT IT . i will wait till 6000 series show up .
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October 7, 2010 11:21:00 PM

who said 6xxx is coming out in 2 weeks? can you prove that?
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October 7, 2010 11:35:29 PM

In a few weeks we are going to be able to see benchmarks of the 6000 series and a few people will be able to buy one of the new card at some stupid price premium.
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October 8, 2010 11:01:22 AM

ares1214 , you know what i dont care what there will be . isnt 5850 enough for great gaming under 1440 REZ ? so why i should wait for new 6 series . there is no new thing in them but a higher price . 5850 is highest card that i can buy . i realy have no more money . even if i wait more longer i wont spend more than 5850's price . what do you think
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October 8, 2010 11:10:03 AM

Yes that's a good point. But the performance boost as seen from the benchies that were leaked (although maybe fake) were too good to resist. If you can get something better at the same price then why not wait. Its just a matter of 2-3 weeks. If it was months then at least i wouldn't have advised to wait.
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October 8, 2010 12:05:38 PM

Ok if its just a weeks , no matter , i will wait . i will see benchmakrs & will throw new research about that 6 series to know them as good as 5 & 4 series .
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October 8, 2010 1:57:31 PM

The 5850 is able to run most things on high detail up to 16x10. The 460 is also a great card but the 5850 does edge it out in every benchmark. I like to recommend the 5850 when possible but the 460 had a better price/performance ratio for the longest time. If you have the money then get a 5850 but if your being budget concious get a 460.
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October 8, 2010 8:32:13 PM

8Vidia said:
ares1214 , you know what i dont care what there will be . isnt 5850 enough for great gaming under 1440 REZ ? so why i should wait for new 6 series . there is no new thing in them but a higher price . 5850 is highest card that i can buy . i realy have no more money . even if i wait more longer i wont spend more than 5850's price . what do you think


well, if you wait the 5850 will go down in price so you might save a little or you might get a 6xxx who preform faster than the 5850 at the same price! but if your in a hurry then go for it.
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October 8, 2010 10:03:49 PM

no no i am not hurry . i can wait , no matter but i dont expect a lot from 6series . they just wanna bring new something to the shops to confuse the costumer , Good stuff will last & work longer than NEW stuff that havnt even been tested . i promise this . 7 series will come so soon . thats how technology force us to BURN our money . But anyway i will wait for SHOW .
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October 8, 2010 10:33:47 PM

8Vidia said:
no no i am not hurry . i can wait , no matter but i dont expect a lot from 6series . they just wanna bring new something to the shops to confuse the costumer , Good stuff will last & work longer than NEW stuff that havnt even been tested . i promise this . 7 series will come so soon . thats how technology force us to BURN our money . But anyway i will wait for SHOW .


No...7 series is coming end of 2011. 6xxx is actually setting up to be a pretty decent upgrade. 25-35%. I wouldnt call that something to confuse the costumer, rebranding would be to confuse the customer.
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October 8, 2010 10:45:03 PM

5850, hands down, you cant go wrong with the performance. But, if you are looking to get into DX11 and you are on a budget, GTX460 is a great choice, and with a 460, you always have the option of grabbing a second card in the future, without paying alot.
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October 9, 2010 7:51:35 AM

I should know why they call GTX 460 a great option , its lower than 5850 as i saw in benchmakrs , i dont know if there is higher GTX 460 ( higher than 5850 ) , what do you think about GTX 465 ? is it higher than 5850 ?

You talk like you dont accept 5850 as a great card . not any one can buy that monster . dont you agrre with this one ?
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October 9, 2010 12:30:35 PM

8Vidia said:
I should know why they call GTX 460 a great option , its lower than 5850 as i saw in benchmakrs , i dont know if there is higher GTX 460 ( higher than 5850 ) , what do you think about GTX 465 ? is it higher than 5850 ?

You talk like you dont accept 5850 as a great card . not any one can buy that monster . dont you agrre with this one ?

See the chart I provided, you'll find your answer.
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October 9, 2010 1:09:57 PM

8Vidia said:
I should know why they call GTX 460 a great option , its lower than 5850 as i saw in benchmakrs , i dont know if there is higher GTX 460 ( higher than 5850 ) , what do you think about GTX 465 ? is it higher than 5850 ?

You talk like you dont accept 5850 as a great card . not any one can buy that monster . dont you agrre with this one ?


Compare cards as much as you want here:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/161?vs=164

That was showing the 465 vs. 5850. The 465 is actually worse than the GTX 460. Nvidia cut down GF100 too much, 465 was pretty bad, kinda like the 5830, and when they released GF104, it beat the 465. So unless you wait for a fully unlocked GF104, which would likely be called the 475, and you will be waiting a while, then the best bet is the 460, if you buy Nvidia. Overall, i think the price drops with the 5850 make it a little better, but thats just me, they are very close. 6xxx should shake things up. Heres a possible picture of the 6770, renamed 6870:



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October 9, 2010 5:43:23 PM

how power full is it ? is it higher than 5850 ? how much( use % for answering ) ?
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October 9, 2010 11:53:31 PM

8Vidia said:
how power full is it ? is it higher than 5850 ? how much( use % for answering ) ?


well it hasnt been released, so nobody really knows, but estimates put it at around GTX 470 strength.
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October 10, 2010 1:58:40 PM

ares1214 said:
Compare cards as much as you want here:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/161?vs=164

That was showing the 465 vs. 5850. The 465 is actually worse than the GTX 460. Nvidia cut down GF100 too much, 465 was pretty bad, kinda like the 5830, and when they released GF104, it beat the 465. So unless you wait for a fully unlocked GF104, which would likely be called the 475, and you will be waiting a while, then the best bet is the 460, if you buy Nvidia. Overall, i think the price drops with the 5850 make it a little better, but thats just me, they are very close. 6xxx should shake things up. Heres a possible picture of the 6770, renamed 6870:

http://www.guru3d.com/fullimage.php?image=26621\

Do you always have to talk about the 6000 series on almost all graphics threads?
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October 10, 2010 2:27:44 PM

Tamz_msc said:
Do you always have to talk about the 6000 series on almost all graphics threads?


When it seems to be in their price point, and they are willing to wait a week, yeah. It would be dumb if i told them to go buy a 460 or 5850 when 460 prices are going to drop, and a possibly better lineup will arrive in a very short amount of time. It would be like not mentioning Sandy Bridge a week before it launches.
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October 10, 2010 3:56:57 PM

Ok man i told u i am waiting . till 5850 drop its prices . i dont expect good prices from 6 series atleast for a year .
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October 10, 2010 4:09:26 PM

8Vidia said:
Ok man i told u i am waiting . till 5850 drop its prices . i dont expect good prices from 6 series atleast for a year .


no...Id expect pretty decent prices at launch, then they might go up when they figure out they dont have much competition. The GPU market is generally priced a lot more fairly than the CPU market, and the first GPU's out of the gate are suppose to be mid end, and therefore priced reasonably...If they werent they wouldnt sell.
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October 10, 2010 4:30:41 PM

so whats the resson to prices go up ? natrualy they go do down because new models come out . what will happen to 5850 ? will it price go down or up ?

Then why this producers dont specify suitable prices . because with that way few people gonna buy high end VGA cards .
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October 10, 2010 4:35:39 PM

8Vidia said:
so whats the resson to prices go up ? natrualy they go do down because new models come out . what will happen to 5850 ? will it price go down or up ?

Then why this producers dont specify suitable prices . because with that way few people gonna buy high end VGA cards .


You misunderstand. 5850 prices will likely go down. What happened with the 5850 at release was that it cost $279 at release, then they realized it had no competition, and raised prices to $300. They might do that with 6xxx.
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October 10, 2010 4:44:50 PM

no how much does single 5850 costs ? & u know ,truth is that higher prices makes less costumers . 5850 had no reason to get bought with higher prices .
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October 10, 2010 5:16:36 PM

8Vidia said:
no how much does single 5850 costs ? & u know ,truth is that higher prices makes less costumers . 5850 had no reason to get bought with higher prices .

5850 costs $250-300 generally now.
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