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P4 2.4 ghz vs P4 3.6 ghz

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February 27, 2011 5:04:52 AM

I currently have a P4P800S-X Asus mb specs are here http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=F1OF21gND5YsZhB1

I've read that I can replace the 2.4 ghz with a 3.6 (I don't have the cash to upgrade to a new system right now), but I can't find any benchmarks to compare how much of a difference I will get. I have seen a 3.6 ghz anywhere from $10 to $214 on ebay so it does not look like a big upgrade.(tho I am wondering how easily it will be to remove my cpu fan off of my 6 year old cpu-wonder if after all those years and heat might have melted the plastic to the cpu a bit...I did not use any thermal paste....(smack head))

I bought my current system for about $3k around 2004-2005 ish still plays games fairly well. I can play Borderlands for example on mostly Med settings. tho not GTA 4 (which plays under 20 fps which to me is unplayable)
below is a Picture of my Asus mb. Speed Demon in its day..... Socket 478 Northwood






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February 27, 2011 5:18:12 AM

Save up for a new system. Trust me it is worth it.
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a c 88 à CPUs
February 27, 2011 5:51:04 AM

If you can find one for $10 its not a bad upgrade. But it won't make GTA4 playable. Those CPUs are simply to slow to do that. Its time for a completely new system.
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February 27, 2011 8:00:37 AM

the p4p800 uses a via chipset, is S478, and AGP. Even if he put one of the better AGP cards in there like the 3850 or 4650, it would be bottlenecked by that CPU.

Did they make a 3.6GHz S478 northwood? I thought S478 only went up to ~3.2GHz? I know S775 "Presshots" went up to 3.8GHz.
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February 27, 2011 12:15:07 PM

well, on the subject of GTA 4 which I have been trying to figure out, Its a few years old now but in comparison I can play Borderlands on Med settings which is newer then GTA 4. Could it be because of the more "Animated" style of graphics that it uses.

And I just played the demo of Dragon age 2 and was able to play it tho on the low settings...but I could not play Dragon age Origins..(less then 20 fps)..are newer games becoming more adaptable to older system or have I just been lucky....

I just started thinking of the cpu when I saw the low prices on ebay.

I will most likely just by a newer agp card thinking of either the hd 3850(around $50-70) or Evga Gforce gs 7800 superclocked. ($40-70) and then in a year build a new system. I've seen some great systems with 12 gigs or more ram and 5 video cards crazy stuff I would never have thought of back in 2004 when I bought my current system.
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February 27, 2011 12:26:33 PM

I forgot to add that I have also been able to play Fallout New Vegas and the recent Starcraft II tho with that I had a lot of slowdown with the prerendered Cut scenes.

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February 27, 2011 11:18:53 PM

2 gigs DDR 1 or as CPU-z pc3200 I believe I could put in pc4000 max, 1 stick is 166mhz the 2nd is 200 mhz, not sure why there different mhz as there both the same and same maker. There made by A-Technology with red head sinks. They are 2.5 volts and (not sure what theses items mean ) not Registered, not buffered, and no error correcting.
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February 28, 2011 2:55:51 AM

At this point you should just save your money to put towards a new build unless you can find one cheaper then $20. These days the P4 even @3.6 ghz is just so outdated its almost not worth the bother as a lot of games these days do utilize at least 2 cores. If your dead set on keeping your AGP card you can still find new and used Socket 939 and AM2 boards that have AGP ports. You can always nab one on the cheap with a dual core cpu and 2GB of ram and squeeze a bit more life out of your AGP card, given its one of the better ones like the Hd3850.
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February 28, 2011 3:43:50 AM

You don't have to buy new either. A few months ago for my wife's system I picked up a P35 Gigabyte motherboard, a 5200 C2D, and 2GBs of ram for $70 shipped to my door. Re-used her drives and tossed in my old 8800GS GPU and it was a big upgrade from her old 3500+ with 1GB of ram. If you keep your eyes out, you could spend as little as ~$200 and get a much nicer system.
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February 28, 2011 4:11:20 AM

well, I'll keep an eye out for a mb cpu ram combo but for now I'll just grab a video card under $80 I think to keep me going. There is a 7800gs not as powerful as the 3850 but there is a chance I can get it under $50 all the 3850s I have seen always get to $70 or above. The 7800 gs is still alot faster then my current card the x1550.
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February 28, 2011 8:52:15 PM

hmm, I've just come across this.

ASRock 775Dual-VSTA Core2 Duo 1066FSB Motherboard with an Intel® Core™2 Duo Desktop Processor E4500 2.2 GHz SLA95

If I went with this I would have a Dual core cpu but I could keep my old x1550 agp card as this mb supports both agp and Pci-e
and I can keep my 2 gigs of ddr 1 as this mb also supports ddr 1 and ddr 2.
I could upgrade with this setup latter with ddr2 and a pci-e card.

The price is $90.82, I have no idea how to judge how much faster this might be.

or I also found this Intel Motherboard Combo 3.0 Dual Core 2 GB,ram
Intel D945PSNLK Motherboard, if I went with this I would just have to buy a PCi-e card and I found a nVidia Quadro FX 4400 for about $40 (about twice as fast as the x1550 in specs) Which together ram/cpu/mb it would be $155.00

So which do you think would be the better deal?



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February 28, 2011 9:25:05 PM

Hmm, But which mb would you buy? both are dual core cpu, and both have pci-e

Tho the Asrock says Pci-e x4 mode and the Intel mb supports Pci-e 16
not sure of the difference.
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February 28, 2011 9:46:55 PM

ralf23456 said:
hmm, I've just come across this.

ASRock 775Dual-VSTA Core2 Duo 1066FSB Motherboard with an Intel® Core™2 Duo Desktop Processor E4500 2.2 GHz SLA95

If I went with this I would have a Dual core cpu but I could keep my old x1550 agp card as this mb supports both agp and Pci-e
and I can keep my 2 gigs of ddr 1 as this mb also supports ddr 1 and ddr 2.
I could upgrade with this setup latter with ddr2 and a pci-e card.

The price is $90.82, I have no idea how to judge how much faster this might be.

or I also found this Intel Motherboard Combo 3.0 Dual Core 2 GB,ram
Intel D945PSNLK Motherboard, if I went with this I would just have to buy a PCi-e card and I found a nVidia Quadro FX 4400 for about $40 (about twice as fast as the x1550 in specs) Which together ram/cpu/mb it would be $155.00

So which do you think would be the better deal?


I really cant remember but, i don't think the C2D can use DDR RAM. could be wrong.
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a c 88 à CPUs
February 28, 2011 10:15:08 PM

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I really cant remember but, i don't think the C2D can use DDR RAM. could be wrong.


There is no memory controller in the C2D, so it doesn't care. Its up to the motherboard.

Do you know what CPU you get with the second combo? The 4500 isn't a bad CPU, but the boards 4x PCIe 1.0 slot will bottleneck most cards. If its "3.0 dual core" then I'm thinking its some sort of P4, which is the same problem you have right now. I also wouldn't try gaming on the quadro, its not meant for it.
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February 28, 2011 10:36:59 PM

the mb only d94psnlk supports

Intel® Pentium® D processors in the LGA775 package
Intel® Pentium® 4 processors in the LGA775 package
Intel® Celeron® D processors in the LGA775 package

I am thinking 3.0 meant P D 3ghz dual core, But I just sent the seller mail to find out.
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February 28, 2011 10:56:40 PM

He says its a It is the Pentium D 3.0 dual core
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a c 88 à CPUs
February 28, 2011 11:02:25 PM

P4 or P4D, its still junk. The E4500 is to horrible, but that board won't let video cards run very well at only 4x. If only you could merge that E4500 with that 945 motherboard...
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February 28, 2011 11:15:50 PM

hmm, ok
what about this a ASRock Wolfdale1333-D667 Core2 Duo 1333/1066/800 FSB MicroATX Motherboard w/ PCI Express x16 and DDR2 667 with a

Dual Core Intel Pentium D 2.8GHZ LGA 775 800FSB 1MB Cache CPU

and 2 gigs of ddr 2 pc5300 ram

and a Sapphire Radeon HD4650 1 GB DDR2 VGA/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video Card

total price

$158
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a c 88 à CPUs
February 28, 2011 11:24:25 PM

Perhaps, but you still have the P4D. It will get your foot in the door, but only just. P4D and DDR2 4650 isn't very good for gaming.
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February 28, 2011 11:35:09 PM

well, my main goal is to increase my 3dmark6 score from 712 to 2k-3k which I think it should not have a problem doing with this gear.

I mean the cpu is at lest twice as fast as my current and the Video card is more then twice as fast.(my current video card's Mem Bandwidth is 12gigb the 4650's is 64gigbs)

and my goal to play GTA 4 at 1024 or higher resultion should be easy with this gear.

I still plan on spending over $1k next year for a system that should last me another 5 years like my current system did but that will have to wait till then.
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