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5850 vs GTX 460 , 465 , 470 ?!

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October 9, 2010 9:31:02 AM

hi guys just wanted to know which one of these cards are better than the other in performance & Lag killing ?

ATI 5850 1GB , GTX 460 765MB , GTX 460 1GB , GTX 465 1GB , GTX 470


Its not about NVIDA & ATI , i wanna see which single card can solve laging ingames ? IF you have benchmarks then please give the URL , PLZ x 1000 . thanks .

Question B : is it true that 6770 gona be as powerfull as 5870 ? how much its price will be ( compare the price with 5850 )

More about : 5850 gtx 460 465 470

October 9, 2010 1:42:23 PM

gtx470>5850>460 1 gb>460 768mb..465..went to chill because of the heat.

"i wanna see which single card can solve laging ingames ? " --?
October 9, 2010 4:26:39 PM

ATI cards perform better. simple. see if you can sneak up to a 5870
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October 9, 2010 4:43:52 PM

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ATI cards perform better. simple. see if you can sneak up to a 5870



i find this a very biased opinion as ATI does not always perform better. It is very dependent on what the OP wants if he wants to run direct x 11 then i would say to go for the GTX 4xx other then the GTX 465. as tesselation performance of the GTX 470 destroys any of the 5xxx series easily. But if the OP does not have a case with good airflow then yes the 5xxx series will be the better buy.


The rumours about the 6xxx series are still just that rumours none has any solid proof of just how good the 6xxx series will be until they are released . <-- i may be wrong.
October 9, 2010 4:58:07 PM

rv10 said:
ATI cards perform better. simple. see if you can sneak up to a 5870

wtf???
HD 5870 is worth a price of over $500
while the cards in consideration here are around $350

I'd suggest the OP that he buys the GTX 470 which is twice as fast as the HD 5850 and obviously better than the 460 and 465(this one is even slower than 460).
October 9, 2010 5:31:45 PM

infernox_01 said:
the gtx465 isnt that bad. when overclocked it performs similarly to a gtx 470.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_465_Twin_Frozr_II/images/perf_oc.gif

overclock3d got a 36% increase through overclocking the MSI twin frozr gtx465.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/msi_n46...

it also happened to beat the HD5850 on all benchmarks with the 36% overclock.



I think its wrong because 5850 is even higher than GTX 285 how 275 can perform better ( as u can see in picture ) ? is it true ?
October 9, 2010 5:39:04 PM

as i read in diffrente magazines this is CONFIGURATION of vga cards . GTX 275 < GTX 285 < GTX 460 < GTX 465 < 5850 & GTX 470 are too similar sometimes 5850 is higher in crysis game , but its lower than GTX 470 in metro 2033 as i saw in benchmarks . i dont think that GTX 275 is higher than 5850 . its funny
October 9, 2010 5:46:20 PM

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sometimes 5850 is higher in crysis game , but its lower than GTX 470 in metro 2033 as i saw in benchmarks


actually its the other way around 470 is ahead in crysis but 5850 is ahead in metro 2033.But in most cases the 470 is ahead.
October 9, 2010 6:16:41 PM

GTX 470 is costs about 5870 in country that i live now . which is better to get ? will SIngle 5850 provide me if i use 1440 REZ ? but away , rez is 1440 ,but i wanna maxout the game . will 5850 kill all lags ?
October 9, 2010 6:34:21 PM

infernox_01 said:
the gtx465 isnt that bad. when overclocked it performs similarly to a gtx 470.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_465_Twin_Frozr_II/images/perf_oc.gif

overclock3d got a 36% increase through overclocking the MSI twin frozr gtx465.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/msi_n46...

it also happened to beat the HD5850 on all benchmarks with the 36% overclock.



The 36% overclock is in one from 1..how many zeroes you want to add because almost nobody will have a card like that in his PC. Also the gtx465 is not that more powerful then the gtx460, actually the 460 comes ahead in lots of cases from what i know, with less power consumption and less heat! The down side it is that it get's hot. But it is still more powerful then mine he he.
Do a 36% overclock on the 5850 and see how much faster it will go.

This is about base clock cards.
October 9, 2010 6:40:58 PM

8Vidia said:
GTX 470 is costs about 5870 in country that i live now . which is better to get ? will SIngle 5850 provide me if i use 1440 REZ ? but away , rez is 1440 ,but i wanna maxout the game . will 5850 kill all lags ?


What do you understand about lags? I think you do not understand what that means.

With a gtx470 or even better a 5870 you will be able to max out any games at that resolution but i do not guarantee metro 2033 because i do not have any facts at that resolution with max AA and max AF and the rest of the DX11 effects enabled.
All i know that i have to overclock my 5770 to play metro 2033 at 1024x768 with everything to max except AA.
October 9, 2010 7:03:02 PM

i didnt understand ? wha what are u saying ? i know whats LAG . what do u mean can u say more clear ? will i be able to maxout the games with 1440 rez on 5850 & see no LAG in games ?
October 9, 2010 7:27:37 PM

deadcold94 said:
but then you must remember that the gtx470 can overclock also..


Yeah but it costs 100 bucks more. Everyone bashes the 465 because it got really crappy early reviews because they were trying to sell it for like 270 bucks when it came out and the drivers were aweful. It's like 200 bucks now and the heat issues are overstated. Mine idles at 39 runs games in the low 60s and maxes at 72 in kombuster, and thats with a 800/1600/3600 overclock.


October 9, 2010 8:07:13 PM

fair enough at stock clocks its performance is similar to the gtx460 1GB with more power usage and heat (depends on card manufacturer). when overclocked with a voltage tweak, it can beat a 5870.



anyway to answer your question, a 5850 @1440x900 will work fine. the new 6870 (renamed from a 6770 apparantly) is said to have better performance then a 5850 for less power usage and price. no1 knos the exact details until its benchmarked though.
October 9, 2010 8:24:27 PM

If the OP is not going to upgrade his screen anytime soon a GTX 460 1Gb will be more than enough, especially when overclocked.

The 465 is not the greatest buy ATM, the 460 runs cooler and uses less power while beating the 465 in most tests.
October 9, 2010 8:47:00 PM

as i saw in benchmarks 5850 is higher than GTX 460 , i love 5850 but i dont know if it will work fine on this INTEl system , see for ur self :

CPU: Core i5-760 Quad 2.8GHz
MOBO:GA P55A UD3
RAM: 2x2GB ddr3 1333MHZ
PSU: CORSAIR - TX650

Please ANSWER these questions .

1.after that what is the best brand of GTX 460 ?
2.& Can i get 5850 for that system & see it work 100% fine with no performance hit ?
3.which will work better & faster ? GTX 460 or ATI 5850 ?
October 9, 2010 9:40:07 PM

8Vidia said:
i didnt understand ? wha what are u saying ? i know whats LAG . what do u mean can u say more clear ? will i be able to max out the games with 1440 rez on 5850 & see no LAG in games ?


My question was if you know what lag is. Short answer, the monitor has the biggest impact on the real time actions when playing games. Meaning that a 2gtg ms response time monitor will give better performance then a 12gtg ms response time monitor. The one that has more ms will not give you real time movement when giving commands but with a bigger delay then the 2ms one.

The video card does not impact that only if there are software issues of it has bugs.

Performance wise i would buy the gtx470 or if you can not afford it the 5850.

1. Depending if you want to buy a card with stock cooler or a card with custom cooler. Gigabyte, Evga, Msi cyclone..
2.irrelevant question, it will work better then the gtx460.
3.5850 is faster, at list that would be my choice. See if you can buy a sapphire toxic series.
October 9, 2010 9:41:53 PM

1.) MSI Hawk
2.) Yes, 5850 will work fine with your system
3.) 5850 is faster, that's why it costs more, but some apps favor Nvidia so it's not faster in all games.
October 9, 2010 9:49:58 PM

rv10 said:
ATI cards perform better. simple. see if you can sneak up to a 5870


And ALL Ford vehicles are faster than ALL Chevy vehicles too.

Your statement is pure opinion, and zero fact my friend. Truth of the matter is, some ATI models are better than some nVidia models, and some nVidia models are better than some ATI models. In the mix of all that, some ATI cards are better at some games than nVidia, and vice versa.
October 10, 2010 1:08:11 AM

One of the things I keep reading on a number of sites is that the best bang for your buck option here is to go for 2 - 460's in SLI. The cost is comparable to the higher end cards and the performance is even better.
October 10, 2010 5:58:48 AM

kg4icg said:
Well let's see GT40 is faster than the Vette, Mustang GT is faster than the Camaro SS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB4vfZDYyO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3p8fZZQM8


Re-read my comment. :) 

The Ford Focus isn't faster than the Camaro SS. Your comment does a direct comparison between competing models. My comment was in reply to a very ignorant statement in which someone claimed:

Quote:
ATI cards perform better. simple. see if you can sneak up to a 5870


No evidence to support their comment, which we all know is bunk anyhow. I'm not even trying to say nVidia is faster. I'm just saying their comment wasn't worth the time it took to type. :) 
October 10, 2010 9:04:48 AM

Thanks for answers & advices , i will go for 5850 . I dont like SLI or CrossFire , because thiere overheating & consue too much power & i heard they have some problems too ! i like single card which is strong enough to handle all games , maybe 5850 for my 1440 REZ .
October 13, 2010 6:14:39 AM

jerreece said:
Re-read my comment. :) 

The Ford Focus isn't faster than the Camaro SS. Your comment does a direct comparison between competing models. My comment was in reply to a very ignorant statement in which someone claimed:

Quote:
ATI cards perform better. simple. see if you can sneak up to a 5870


No evidence to support their comment, which we all know is bunk anyhow. I'm not even trying to say nVidia is faster. I'm just saying their comment wasn't worth the time it took to type. :) 



I take it you haven't seen the Ford Focus RS European version with a 300 hp 4 cylinder.
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