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December 3, 2010 5:37:53 PM

We are getting my brother a computer for xmas and have been looking around a pre built starter desktops. Looking to spend around $500 plus shipping and taxes. I live in Canada.


Does anybody know where to get a decent pc that can be upgraded in the future?

AMD or intel is fine.

Looking to be able to run empire total war, starcraft 2, and other games in that gfx range.

any opinions appreciated...

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December 3, 2010 5:46:52 PM

I would not trust a pre-built in that price range to be able to play games all that well, or have a PSU of sufficient size and quality to handle any necessary upgrades.

Edit: Do you have any parts at all, like the keyboard, monitor, speakers, and/or operating system?
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December 3, 2010 5:52:23 PM

Onus said:
I would not trust a pre-built in that price range to be able to play games all that well, or have a PSU of sufficient size and quality to handle any necessary upgrades.

Edit: Do you have any parts at all, like the keyboard, monitor, speakers, and/or operating system?



I don't really trust them either. I have a really nice mouse I could sacrifice, but keyboard, mouse and monitor is not really a concern. He can use his lcd tv until he can afford to buy his own monitor. Keyboard and mice are really cheap. I was having trouble trying to build something with parts from newegg.ca for $500-$550.

I was thinking something along the line of a 5450 gpu just to get him started and get him to replace it himself a few months later.
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December 3, 2010 6:01:59 PM

Will post a build later this afternoon...leaving work now...
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December 3, 2010 6:12:55 PM

Onus said:
Will post a build later this afternoon...leaving work now...



Thanks a lot man, looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Ill post some of the ideas I was thinking to get him started.


HDD: 500gb minimum, 7200rpm preferably...
CPU: Not too sure what would be sufficient (core 2 duo, i3, i5, or athlon II) stock cooler, wont oc anything...
GPU: 5450, later upgrade to a 5770 or higher, Also like Nvidia...
Mobo: not clue, maybe a gigabyte or asus...
Case: mid size, quality but still budget.
Ram: 4gb ddr3 (name brand)
optical: DL writer, whatever gets the job done.
PSU: 600-650+ watts (hopefully something reliable)


Looking to be able to run these games, not all have to be on enthusiast but preferably mid to high quality settings and resolutions.

napoleon total war, empire total war, oblivion, fallout 3, starcraft 2, Other various rpg's, call of duty 4

bloodymoth said:
This build here: http://newbcomputerbuild.com/530-second-tier-gaming-bui...

Comes to around $585 on the www.newegg.ca site. Maybe could work around with that?Cheaper GPU like you were saying?


Sweet I'll take a look at that and see if I can play around a bit...


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December 3, 2010 6:14:31 PM

Athlon II X3 445 + Sapphire HD5770 $204.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

500 GB Seagate HDD: $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung 22x DVD Burner: $16.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310-OWR460 Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case RS-460-PSAR-J3, Elite 460W Power Supply : $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AS Rock 770 Extreme 3 Motherboard: $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.Skill DDR3-1333 4 GB: $47.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


$484.94
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December 3, 2010 6:40:50 PM

What about this build? I took a few of the above posts and mixed and matched a few things, now all I need to do is confirm everything is there and compatible and that its the best bang for the buck and possibly find a way to cut costs if possible with sales and combo deals...

I'm also still interested in other build opinions or changes that can be made to this current build.

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Core i3-540 Clarkdale 3.06GHz 4MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80616I3540
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

COOLER MASTER Elite 310 RC-310-RWN1-GP Black / Red SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

SAPPHIRE 100292DDR3L Radeon HD 5450 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GIGABYTE GA-H55M-S2V LGA 1156 Intel H55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

No need for an optical drive as my other pc has a spare.
I'll also have a keyboard and mouse...

TOTAL COST WITH TAX AND SHIPPING

$587.83 CAD
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December 3, 2010 8:02:50 PM

Ok, I posted this build in another thread earlier today. One caveat is it uses US Newegg prices. Yours will be a little higher, but not too much, plus you said you don't need the optical drive this includes.

Rosewill R218-P-BK Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #:R218-P-BK
Item #:N82E16811147073
$29.99 $29.99
I've been satisfied with all the cheap Rosewill cases I've bought. This one comes with a rear 120mm fan, which should be sufficient.

ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
Model #:M3A770DE
Item #:N82E16813157176
$59.99 $59.99
Good, basic board but has a good feature set and uses quality components.

SAPPHIRE 100287L Radeon HD 5670 (Redwood) 512MB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...
Model #:100287L
Item #:N82E16814102870
$79.99 $79.99
I really don't think you'd find a HD5450 acceptable for games. If you must, drop down to a GDDR5 version of the HD5550 or HD5570.

Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power ...
Model #:EA-380D Green
Item #:N82E16817371033
$59.99 -$15.00 Instant $44.99
Very solid PSU; quiet, efficient, and reliable. Can power up to a HD5770 if you add one later. The cheap Coolermasters (anything with a little voltage switch on it) are inefficient, overrated garbage.

AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.1GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX445WFGMBOX
Model #:ADX445WFGMBOX
Item #:N82E16819103872
$78.99 -$5.00 Instant $73.99
Pretty decent bang for buck. You'd kill your budget going to a Phenom II, and probably take too bad a performance hit choosing a cheaper X2.

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT
Model #:F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT
Item #:N82E16820231253
$47.99 $47.99
I doubt I've bought more than 12-15 G.Skill RAM sticks, but none have failed or been DOA.

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD322GJ/U 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:HD322GJ/U
Item #:N82E16822152244
$42.99 $42.99
A little smaller than you wanted, and a little slower, but $12 cheaper than a 500GB F3 or 7200.12.

LG DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH24NS50 - OEM
Model #:GH24NS50
Item #:N82E16827136177
$17.99 $17.99
One optical drive is much like any other. None have ever given me any trouble, including LG, Sony, Lite-On, or Asus.

Subtotal: $397.92
Allows for $100 for the OS and still makes budget, barely, but like I admitted that's in USD. Hopefully dropping the optical drive makes up enough of the difference.
Anyway I think this build should do pretty well for the price, and offer some upgrade possibilities as well.
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December 3, 2010 8:58:14 PM

Onus said:
Ok, I posted this build in another thread earlier today. One caveat is it uses US Newegg prices. Yours will be a little higher, but not too much, plus you said you don't need the optical drive this includes.

Rosewill R218-P-BK Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #:R218-P-BK
Item #:N82E16811147073
$29.99 $29.99
I've been satisfied with all the cheap Rosewill cases I've bought. This one comes with a rear 120mm fan, which should be sufficient.

ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
Model #:M3A770DE
Item #:N82E16813157176
$59.99 $59.99
Good, basic board but has a good feature set and uses quality components.

SAPPHIRE 100287L Radeon HD 5670 (Redwood) 512MB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...
Model #:100287L
Item #:N82E16814102870
$79.99 $79.99
I really don't think you'd find a HD5450 acceptable for games. If you must, drop down to a GDDR5 version of the HD5550 or HD5570.

Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power ...
Model #:EA-380D Green
Item #:N82E16817371033
$59.99 -$15.00 Instant $44.99
Very solid PSU; quiet, efficient, and reliable. Can power up to a HD5770 if you add one later. The cheap Coolermasters (anything with a little voltage switch on it) are inefficient, overrated garbage.

AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.1GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX445WFGMBOX
Model #:ADX445WFGMBOX
Item #:N82E16819103872
$78.99 -$5.00 Instant $73.99
Pretty decent bang for buck. You'd kill your budget going to a Phenom II, and probably take too bad a performance hit choosing a cheaper X2.

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT
Model #:F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT
Item #:N82E16820231253
$47.99 $47.99
I doubt I've bought more than 12-15 G.Skill RAM sticks, but none have failed or been DOA.

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4 HD322GJ/U 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:HD322GJ/U
Item #:N82E16822152244
$42.99 $42.99
A little smaller than you wanted, and a little slower, but $12 cheaper than a 500GB F3 or 7200.12.

LG DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH24NS50 - OEM
Model #:GH24NS50
Item #:N82E16827136177
$17.99 $17.99
One optical drive is much like any other. None have ever given me any trouble, including LG, Sony, Lite-On, or Asus.

Subtotal: $397.92
Allows for $100 for the OS and still makes budget, barely, but like I admitted that's in USD. Hopefully dropping the optical drive makes up enough of the difference.
Anyway I think this build should do pretty well for the price, and offer some upgrade possibilities as well.




Sweet, thanks for the input...



Do you see this rig having better performance than the rig I posted right above?

Cost is the same, I just can't convert the specs between amd and intel when they are so close.

I know the gpu is much better.

I slightly altered the cpu with the 200mhz faster version, and the same gpu but the 1gb xfx model card.

Total came to $531.11 shipped

I already have windows 7 so its no worry.

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December 3, 2010 9:05:58 PM

here's a quick look at some options on the newegg.ca site.

It seems like your ignoring combo deals... thats where you will make your bank. Here are a couple deals that look like they could do the job... am not 100% sure about the psu bundled with that case.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?It...

try and get at least a 5770 or 5670 in the rig... more than anything else right now your going to be GPU limiting yourself.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

i would pick up a samsung 1tb hd. there will be a minimal cost increase and you get the benefit of having an overall faster h/d

500 is very doable....
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December 3, 2010 9:17:33 PM

archer7282 said:
here's a quick look at some options on the newegg.ca site.

It seems like your ignoring combo deals... thats where you will make your bank. Here are a couple deals that look like they could do the job... am not 100% sure about the psu bundled with that case.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?It...

try and get at least a 5770 or 5670 in the rig... more than anything else right now your going to be GPU limiting yourself.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

i would pick up a samsung 1tb hd. there will be a minimal cost increase and you get the benefit of having an overall faster h/d

500 is very doable....



I dont mind the combo but based on the rig I have built its almost cheeper and I like what I already have built currently

Thats the gpu I selected for the rig I have currently built using jtt283's build outline. (nice choice btw)

The 1tb hdd is a good idea but its like $30 more and I'm trying to keep costs low as possible and my bro will most likely get another one in the near future.

more feedback is greatly appreciated...
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December 3, 2010 10:38:43 PM

That old Raidmax PSU is one of the worst you can buy.
http://www.corsair.com/cinema/movie.aspx?id=622747
Generally, with the exception of Enermax, if a PSU has "max" in its name, it is a reference to the size of the pyrotechnic display, or the number and cost of other components it will take with it when it croaks. I use the generic term "Chokemax" to refer to such PSUs.
As to a comparison, the i3-540 is faster, but the HD5450 will positively suck for games. For an office PC, the Intel is the overall better choice, but for a gamer, the AMD Athlon II X3 with the much better GPU will run rings around it.
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December 3, 2010 10:47:22 PM

Onus said:
That old Raidmax PSU is one of the worst you can buy.
http://www.corsair.com/cinema/movie.aspx?id=622747
Generally, with the exception of Enermax, if a PSU has "max" in its name, it is a reference to the size of the pyrotechnic display, or the number and cost of other components it will take with it when it croaks. I use the generic term "Chokemax" to refer to such PSUs.
As to a comparison, the i3-540 is faster, but the HD5450 will positively suck for games. For an office PC, the Intel is the overall better choice, but for a gamer, the AMD Athlon II X3 with the much better GPU will run rings around it.



You seem like you know what your talking about. I'm sticking with the rig you have provided. I made very few changes to the list you left me. If you would like me to email you a copy of the shopping cart so you could review the final build just pm me your email.

Cheers
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December 3, 2010 10:47:54 PM

Best answer selected by benson733.nnnGreat input everybody,nnjtt283's rig was chosen as best answer due to the fact that the total cost came out to $501 after rebates and it is much better than the more expensive pre built I had in mine earlier.nnFurther input is still appreciated.
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December 3, 2010 11:15:55 PM

Thanks. I'd like to believe I generally know what I'm doing, but fortunately I retain the good sense to come here for advice anyway. I'm not always as good at finding deals as some (e.g. batuchka) or I may need a wild hair trimmed (e.g. by Proximon).
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