Building a computer

I am trying to do my due diligence and do all my research before committing to anything. I need a new computer to do any gaming at all, listing my current computer doesn't matter, if I tried to do any major gaming right now the computer would probably catch fire. So all that said I want to build a computer that can to some big time gaming graphics and a lack of bottle necks and all that...help.
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  1. This is a very uninformative post.
    fill this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice
  2. Approximate Purchase Date: About a month from now

    Budget Range: $1500 Before Rebates

    System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming

    Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor (I have a LCD monitor but it is oldish I would like an upgrade here), I have an oldish 5.1 speaker system but it is oldish, have a copy of Windows 7

    Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

    Country of Origin: United States

    Parts Preferences: by brand or type Would like to go the AMD route for CPU (mostly looking at good price for the performance...so I am not stuck on AMD) and I want an Nvidia Graphics Card (I am stuck on Nvidia, I love their features and I have always used them so I know them a bunch more.

    Overclocking: Maybe

    SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

    Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024 << Currently would like to upgrade monitor

    Additional Comments: I don't really care what the box looks like I am actually ok with a beige box....and I know with my budget will limit my gaming abilities but all I care is that I get the best gaming for my buck.
  3. You don' want AMD cpu if you are stuck on Nvidia and plan on SLIing sometime. Unless you are okay with hacking (people here say modding, but its hacking.. haha) the mobo or buying an older chipset (which i wouldn't recommend, no sata 3 or usb3.0)

    If you go Intel CPU you can go AMD or Nvidia GPU, AMD CPU = AMD GPU.

    Best bang for buck wise (gaming) I'd go with an X4 955BE and CF 6870's.
  4. Is that combo going to be better than going with an intel and a Nvida?
  5. for gaming you will get more GPU power out of going with the cheaper AMD option.
    but the i5 760 for example outperforms the X4 in everything else but they are roughly equal in gaming.
  6. Ok...one dumb question and curiosity.

    1. If I raised my budget to $2000 would it vastly effect things?
    2. you mean an X4 and 2 6870s right?
  7. I'll just set up a general build and you can add/upgrade where you choose.
    and yes to #2.

    Intel i5 760 - $205 (prices will be dropping right before x-mas because intel Sandy Bridge CPU's are coming out Jan 9th.)

    ASUS P7P55D-E PRO - $185 (newegg isnt carrying it anymore because of SB. Amazon has it)

    OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SSD - $220 (Games, OS, Apps)

    Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $70

    Sapphire Radeon 6870 x 2 = $500

    XFX Black Edition 750W - $130 (internet is to slow to check price but thats what it was last time I checked)

    4GB (2x2GB) G.Skill RIpjaw DDR3 1600 Cas 8 - $75

    Cooler Master Storm Scout/ Cooler Master 690 II Advanced - $80

    SCMG-2100 (scythe-mugen 2 rev.b) - $40

    Shin-Etsu TIM - $5

    Cheapest SATA Dvd burner/reader - $20

    Just pick up an Asus 23"/23.6" monitor 1920x1080 for $200

    total= $1730
    If you want to cut down, get 1 gpu or a smaller SSD.
    If you want to upgrade, get the HAF-X/DF-85 case and/or 8GB of RAM.
  8. More curiosities...

    4 Gbs is plenty for gaming?
    Will the prices stay down on those i5s?

    Shin-Etsu TIM << With this setup are you thinking I should overclock?
  9. its enough, it won't raise FPS with 8 but it helps with details.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-9.html

    The prices should be dropping right before x-mas because Sandy bridge is coming out Jan 9th and will replace the i5's.
    I think the i5's will be around $180 right before x-mas.

    and I'd OC to 3.6ghz.. Right after 3.6ghz it takes allot more vcore volts to keep it stable for minimum performance gains
  10. I looked at that article....8Gbs doesn't seem like it does a whole bunch but 12 does...is 12 worth the extra money?

    Also it is not worth the money to buy a computer from a gaming computer place is it over putting one together myself (I do know how to put computers together and have many times).
  11. Here's a recent build I did to hit the $1500 mark....prices may be a bit outdated.

    Case - $140 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129087
    Case Fans - Later - Antec Red 120 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209013
    PSU - $120 - Antec CP850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371024
    MoBo - $200 - Asus Sabertooth http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665
    CPU - $295 - Intel i7-950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211
    Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185142
    TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080
    RAM - $110 - 3 x 2GB Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226155
    GFX - $270 - EVGA GTX 470 SC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130549
    GFX - Later - Same
    HD - $75 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
    SSD - Later - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227590
    DVD Writer - $80 - ASUS BR Model BC-08B1LT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135220
    OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754
    Monitor - $190 - ASUS VH242H1920x1080 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

    If ya going to the $2k mark, get the things marked for "later" expansion (extra fan, GFX card and SSD) now.
  12. No Solid State Drive? won't that really help the performance especially for gaming?
  13. So my question is...after I spend the money on a good cpu and graphics....does it make sense to buy a ton of memory? The difference between 4 and 8 Gbs of memory almost isn't there but 12 Gbs there is a sizable difference.
  14. most games dont utilise more than 4GB of Ra.Therefore Going for 8GB and 12GB will certainly be a waste of money.Drop the i7 950 and go for the i5 760.i7 are for multitasking and encoding.For gaming the i5 itself is a beast.
  15. ^same exact build I posted with less ram, different Mobo. And 1 model psu up of the same series which is a waste because 2 gigabyte super overclock gtx 470's won't even draw 700w.
    And no CPU cooler.
  16. Vindictive --- I am more trusting of your answers than people that are just dropping in their ideas so my question to you is the lot of memory like say 12 Gbs a waste of money?
  17. And another question...are people telling me the Nvidia 470 because of the price and I may have the chance to SLI the 470 over the price of the 480?
  18. the 470 is a better value for money and 3 way SLI Capable.If you want to go higher then go for the 580 or HD 5970.
    Gaming is mainly dependent on GPU and CPU.More than 4 GB of RAM does not make a huge impact in gaming
  19. Ok so if I get an i5 760 is the difference between a 6870 and 470 personal preference or is one better?
  20. That is good to hear (says the Nvidia fan)

    And I should be picking a mobo just based on needs or is there something else that I am missing everyone that has given me a build suggestion has suggested a different mobo idea (though I think they have all been Asus...or most of them have anyway)
  21. I am looking at at this point:
    i5-760
    nVidia 470 (budget may predict if I go SLI...would like a board that has the possibility to do SLI even if I don't get SLI right away)
    I figure ATX just easier to upgrade something that isn't a tiny bit bigger than your freaking huge graphics card.
    And DDR3 if I am considering SLI it seems silly to skimp and get DDR2.
  22. I would like a question too, hope you don't mind.

    Wouldn't going for i7 CPU make him add DDR3 ram? And won't it mean a difference in gaming?
  23. Everything I have heard is the i7 makes no major difference over the i5-760 for gaming...though don't take my word for it I am the one asking all the question...and yes I want DDR3.
  24. Well, I heard about that too, but the point is that i7 was designed in mind to use DDR3, and as I understand will give better performance as time goes.
    And the fact you will get better performance in everything else except gaming is a plus.
    Just my idea.
  25. No the i7 won't benefit him in gaming, the main reason people buy i7's is for hyperthreading. Most games use on average 2.75 Cores so a tri-core would be fine but the i5 760 is the best move.

    And I personally just did a p55 build and I got 8GB of RAM. Because I wanted to use less slots on the Mobo.
    I got 2 x 4GB sticks. If I got 4 now (and wanted to run the ram in dual channel mode, which we should!) It would've been 2x2GB sticks, which then if I wanted 8GB would mean another 2x2GB, thats all my mobo slots. But from what I understand going from 4gb to 8gb won't increase your fps, just details in the games.

    My order of mobos: ASUS P7P55D-E PRO, then ASRock p55 Extreme4 (i just got this one because newegg stopped carrying my first choice),

    and as to the graphics the gtx 480 was a failure, it uses more power (while outputting less performance), is louder, and hotter than the gtx 580.
    I went with the Gigabyte GTX 470 Super Overclock because it runs much cooler and quieter than the evga gtx 470's do. It also puts out more performance because of the OC obviously but the main reason was the first 2 points.
  26. What details the the 8 Gbs improve over have the 4 Gbs of memory?

    Ok it seems like a 470 seems like a lock unless I want to spend buckets more money.

    The P7P55D-E Pro isn't on Newegg anymore?
  27. What about triple channel?
  28. If I buy a machine under the budget I currently have and don't get a X58 right now (because I may have freaked out about the X58's price) would it be dumb to get an X58 later?

    Or should I not waste the money on a motherboard I would look to replace?

    Wait look at the X58 then look at this

    http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-P7P55D--Pro-Intel-Motherboard/dp/B002ZV6YMA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291573217&sr=8-1
  29. But is the X58 better than the board I just showed you?

    Well and which X58 (for one thing all of the X58s I see they have an i7 slot)

    The board I showed you has a i5/i7 slot and I was looking at the i5 760.
  30. Unless I am reading stuff really wrong the P55 you can SLI just not 3 SLI....which I am ok with. I am ok with Overclocking to I just want to know everything I need to....from size of power supply to just simple tips....because I know Overclocking has been made easier but Overclocking makes me kinda nervous (I think I have heard every single this is what happens when Overclocking goes badly story)

    And the i5 760 can get to 4Ghz? That would nearly double its power.
  31. The main difference with SLI between the 2 are that p55 can run at 8x8x and x58 can run at 16x16x,
    Which only yields a 3% performance drop.. big whoop, you wouldn't even notice.


    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/263043-29-1156-core-core-overclocking-guide

    and yes that was the board I was referring to. awesome board.

    And also, if you buy a new build now when you upgrade it will most likely be upgrading to intel Sandy Bridge, not X58.
  32. Will the Sandy Bridge be like the X58 and be about the same price range and be i7 only?
  33. "I don't really care what the box looks like I am actually ok with a beige box"...this made me lol =)..I assume you mean the case/tower when you say "box".
  34. You guys have been saying that 8Gbs of RAM over 4Gbs don't effect frame rate but the 8Gbs do effect little details in games....what little details are effected by the 8Gbs?
  35. @ the OP http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-9.html

    @k1ash3r. I thought that meant the kind of box for packaging, like some oem are just brown and not all decked out with details and graphics on it. maybe I'm wrong tho.
  36. Ok my next question is overclocking....I have never done it before and nervous about it would like to not buy a spiffy computer just to hurt it. Do I need a bigger power supply etc....help.

    At this point I am looking at...

    i5 760
    Super Overclock Series GeForce GTX 470 (one or two not sure yet.)
    P7P55D PRO (By the by think I just found this on newegg)
    8 Gbs RAM
  37. the p7p55d-e pro 2 days ago were 170 they jumped 30 bucks wow thats awful. SO no one is going to carry that oard anymore :(. Like if you trying to play FFXIV might as well wait for sandy bridge or get an i7 X58. I heard a lot of people complainig about there i5-760 builds on ffxivcore.com fourms and stuff. Any game other than that an i5-760 should be great for. As for the ram endless your computer is like 5years+ it would be ddr2 ram. Now adays everything is DDR3. As for the 4gbs or 8gbs. 9 out of 10 games out today dont utilize more than 4 gbs of ram thats why when you look at all the other gaming builds you only see 4gbs of ram. Dont waste the money on 8 gbs. Other than that you build looks good. Happy Gaming
  38. ALSO Save that $30 dollars MICROCENTER has them. $180
  39. If wanted to play FF14 I won't be asking for overclocking help.
  40. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/263043-29-1156-core-core-overclocking-guide

    you'll be fine using 2 gigabyte gtx 470's and OCing with a GOOD 750W psu. Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, XFX.
    Antec TP-750W blue http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371022&cm_re=antec_tp_750-_-17-371-022-_-Product $30 off promo code!
  41. So no matter the CPU overclocking above 3.6 is a pain?
  42. Well and that huge thing you sent me on overclocking was really useful I just have one question....do I need a real big power supply to overclock?
  43. Its not necessarily a pain, you just have to start giving it allot more voltage to keep it stable that and more volts = higher temps.

    And no you don't need a huge Power Supply to OC. Like I said, If your going to/would like to SLI gtx 470's the 750W will work fine and you will be able to OC to max without the PSU being a problem.
  44. And the question I should have really asked awhile ago.... if I go with..


    i5 760
    Super Overclock Series GeForce GTX 470 (one or two not sure yet.)
    P7P55D PRO (By the by think I just found this on newegg)


    Will it be something that I will need to upgrade sooner rather than later or will it last me quite awhile?
  45. Well if u can wait until jan 2011 u could get the sandy bridge which will replace the current i3 i5 and i7
    The Build you have chosen will last you at least 3 yrs
  46. Sandy Bridge comes out on the 1st week of Jan 2011
  47. There will be a Sandy Bridge i5 that will fit the mobo I have picked?
  48. noooo. Sandy Bridge is a whole new socket. Lga 1155.
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