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October 9, 2010 10:46:23 PM

I have been using an HD 4890 for quite a while now, but I think it is time to upgrade.

Should I get the HD 5850 or HD 5870?? I do usually play at 1080 but I like to max everything out when I play. Will there be a big difference or should I just OC a 5850???

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October 9, 2010 10:54:24 PM

There's a pretty decent improvement in getting a 5870. Definitely a good choice. A single 5850, even overclocked, doesn't quite max the most demanding games with AA. I have two 5850s and they can handle anything tho, so if crossfire is an option you might consider that.

On the other hand, the GTX 470 price has come down to compete with the 5850, and IMO the 470 is better so for price/performance a 470 might be the best bet.
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October 9, 2010 11:03:24 PM

I think I'm not completely concerned with the price difference between the 470 and the 5870. I am thinking that a 5870 might be the most I'd spend, so I think that I might as well get all I can. So you think there will likely be a good noticeable performance increase with the 5870 vs the 5850 even at 1080 res??? That is my main concern. And if I am not going to buy a new PSU any time soon, I just want the best single card without going past the $400 mark. Then again there are the GTX 470s out there that are factory overclocked and have a bit more memory. Those are pretty tempting as well.
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October 9, 2010 11:10:42 PM

nichobt12 said:
I think I'm not completely concerned with the price difference between the 470 and the 5870. I am thinking that a 5870 might be the most I'd spend, so I think that I might as well get all I can. So you think there will likely be a good noticeable performance increase with the 5870 vs the 5850 even at 1080 res??? That is my main concern. And if I am not going to buy a new PSU any time soon, I just want the best single card without going past the $400 mark. Then again there are the GTX 470s out there that are factory overclocked and have a bit more memory. Those are pretty tempting as well.


If you go with the 5870 your gonna be looking at a 10 fps advantage over the 5850 on average at 1080.. take a look at the benchmarks in this this article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433...

imo if price is not an issue then 5870 over even a 5850 over clocked
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October 9, 2010 11:15:56 PM

Hmmm, that is a good point... Maybe I should just get the 5850 and down the road go for a new PSU and a second 5850. How much PSU should I need to run 5850s in Crossfire you think???
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October 9, 2010 11:24:38 PM

If your board allows crossfire with another 5850 would be the best option, by the time your single 5850 is struggling with newer games the price point should have lowered considerably with the imminent release of the 6000 series.

As for psu go for a good brand like antec, corsair, ocz 800 watts or so depending on what other components (cpu etc) you have.
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October 12, 2010 12:04:00 PM

People tend to overkill on their PSU's. A quality 650W will easily handle 2 5850's (Corsair HX650 etc.) Just look at graphs with power consumption at load with setups involving 2 5850's. They very rarely go over 550W. Even giving a generous 10% degradation, a 650W will still be outputting 595W, and how often is your computer 100% stressed? If you're gaming, never.

At 1900x1080 a decently OC'd 5850 will play most games at full. My 5850 is running at 870 core 1200 mem atm. The game I've found it's stuggled most on so far is BFBC2 during explosions and chaotic fights. This is playing with all settings on highest and 4xAA. Gettinga 5870 and getting a nice overclock out of it will probably be more than enough for a single monitor. The release of the 6XXX series is going to push prices of the 5800's down, so you're going to be able to pick up a second card for cheaper down the line.
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October 12, 2010 12:41:02 PM

I would recommend the 5850 myself, found them to be a bit better price/performance compared to the 5870. They crossfire well and can run most games without issue. The ATI drivers can be a bit wonkey at times but overall a great product.
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October 12, 2010 12:54:21 PM

OCing an HD5850(one that allows for voltage control of the core) is a much better deal than an HD5870. That said the initial HD6000 cards will be out on the 22nd supposedly. Unless you are in a huge hurry for some reason waiting to see their price/performance is the obvious thing to do.
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October 12, 2010 1:11:36 PM

Is there really a big reason to OC a HD5850? They already run great unless your trying to set some records.
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October 12, 2010 1:15:59 PM

@jyjjy It's a better deal, but it doesn't have a black and blue camo ;D

Also dewey, how dare you not respond to my message directed upon you!
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October 12, 2010 1:16:57 PM

deweycd said:
Is there really a big reason to OC a HD5850? They already run great unless your trying to set some records.

Is there a reason not to? At lower resolutions sure, you have a point, but then he wouldn't need an HD5850 at all. At 1080p there are plenty of games that can benefit from a more powerful card than a stock HD5850 especially with AA maxed. These cards can often get up to 1000mhz on the core which should put the performance in the area of a stock GTX 480 while costing $200 less.
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October 12, 2010 1:30:32 PM

I find that overclocking a 5850 results in only a small gain since it is already an excellent card. It will give you 5% increase in FPS easily but its not worth the hastle most times. Then again I'm a bit more partial because of OCing crossfire could cause higher temperatures which means overheating or excessive noise. I say no thanks to that. If I only had one 5850 then I would likely side with your thougths I guess.

@dalta centauri, I have now responded, I just didn't realize that you sent me one, not use to looking for PMs.
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October 12, 2010 3:55:33 PM

Yeah, If you have crossfired HD5850s I doubt you'll see much benefit unless you are using a 2560x1600 monitor or an eyefinity setup or maybe for Crysis/Metro 2033.
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October 12, 2010 5:41:10 PM

Sadly I'm at 16X10 until I can get my hands on a new monitor, which probably won't be atleast until christmas, I may even look into eyefinity.
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October 12, 2010 6:25:08 PM

What is the life expectancy of the card if you OC @850MHz?
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October 12, 2010 6:27:12 PM

I will partition UL labatories to run a evaluation and get back to you.
If you control the environment the part is in , so temps stay within 'normal' range, it will live as long a life as bone stock.
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October 12, 2010 6:32:34 PM

In reality??
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October 12, 2010 10:47:28 PM

You don't leave a card OCed at all times, just while gaming and overclocking doesn't hurt a card. What can shorten a card's lifespan is running a temperatures that are higher than it can handle as notty said. Basically OCing will only shorten the lifespan of the card if you do so in a reckless fashion.
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October 13, 2010 1:55:04 PM

As said, if you OC you want to keep an eye on the tempratures.

In any case, I haven't played a game where my stock 5850 wasn't an overkill yet. Anyone care to list games that a stock 5850 can't run on max settings with 30+ FPS?
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October 13, 2010 2:52:19 PM

Humm 30+ FPS isn't overkill.

But yeah I had a single 5850 and was disapointed I couldn't get smooth gameplay in Crysis at Very High with AA. Having 2 5850s now, both overclocked, they can handle Metro 2033, Crysis, and Cryostasis at max settings 1080p with around 35+ fps (average probably ~50 but dips do happen).

However, with so many multiplatform games, a lot of them aren't going to demand more than a single 5850. I've played more than a few games where my cards are at only 30-40% usage with max settings...
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October 13, 2010 3:49:21 PM

Only because you are upgrading from a 4890, I would definatley recommend getting the 5870, that 5850 is just not a big enough upgrade from a 4890, the 5850 is a great card, just about maxes everything at 1650X1080 but at 1920X1080 you will have a handful of games that will slow down with full settings and high AA AF at 1920X1080, the 5870 is worth the extra money in your case IMO. Although as previously stated the 6000 series will be out soon and the "midrange" card will supposedly be faster than a 5850 and close to a 5870. However if you can't wait a few weeks or so for benchmarks and reviews, than I would upgrade to a gtx 470 or 5870.

on a side note, I saw a galaxy gtx 470 at frys electronics (las vegas) for $250 which looked like a great deal to me considering the 460s 1 gig sell for 200-240 there.

who knows what the 6000 will do to the value of existing cards but it is safe to say that you will only benefit from waiting for a few weeks or more because prices will be most likely lower and your 4890 is decently powerful for now.
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October 13, 2010 3:52:44 PM

Lost Planet 2, Dirt 2 even NFS shift with everything cranked up and 15 race cars in field at dusk eat gpu power. And you can't race a car at 30fps. You can more easily adjust a few settings down for 'good' gameplay with a single 5850 non o/c . Its not maxing out 'everything' :) 
If someone is running a gtx 460 @675 , they are cheating themselves.
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October 13, 2010 5:08:13 PM

Lost planet 2, it already came out on pc?!
I don't know, playing racing games at 4fps gotta be easy, since you don't need that quick reaction 8D
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October 13, 2010 5:54:30 PM

dalta centauri said:
Lost planet 2, it already came out on pc?!
I don't know, playing racing games at 4fps gotta be easy, since you don't need that quick reaction 8D


That or it is a really slow motion view of your up coming crash into a wall because your computer didn't register you were trying to turn that corner 5 minutes ago.
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October 13, 2010 9:12:56 PM

jjb8675309 said:
Only because you are upgrading from a 4890, I would definatley recommend getting the 5870, that 5850 is just not a big enough upgrade from a 4890

The HD5870 is only 5-10% faster than the HD5850 when overclocking is taken into account. It simply is not worth the extra $100. Same can be said of the GTX 470 vs the GTX 480.
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October 13, 2010 9:19:48 PM

jyjjy said:
The HD5870 is only 5-10% faster than the HD5850 when overclocking is taken into account. It simply is not worth the extra $100. Same can be said of the GTX 470 vs the GTX 480.


good point, the 5850 is a better value, and if the gtx 470 can be found sub 300 it is probly the best value.

on a side note: I am wondering if adding another 5770 to my setup is worth it or if I am going to sell my current one and go with a single high end card. Its kind of hard to justify not doing it when i can gt a used one for 80 from a friend and already have a crossfire capable setup, (and 1 5770).

either way for 1920X1080 gaming 1 5770 is just not enough power.
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October 13, 2010 9:26:44 PM

Just like for practically everyone I would recommend waiting for the HD6000 cards to see what they offer in terms of price/performance as well as how the pricing of the HD5000 cards and GTX 400 changes in response.
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