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March 4, 2011 3:35:53 PM

Hello i have pc :
HD4870X2 2GB
4GB RAM
WIN7 64BIT
CORE I7 920 2.67GHZ
Enermax 625W
Asus p6t Deluxe

In near future i wanted to buy a new graphic card for my computer because i want to maxed BF3 graphics and i dont know if i7 920 2.67ghz can handle gtx 580 can you help me if it can handle? My resolution is 1680x1050 . For any advices thank you . And i dont want to overclock it

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a b à CPUs
March 4, 2011 3:55:17 PM

Honestly, a 580 isn't that much of an upgrade from a 4870x2, and both are certainly overkill for 1680x1050.
a c 133 à CPUs
March 4, 2011 4:09:49 PM

+1 upgrade your monitor first a 580 is worthless at your resolution.
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March 4, 2011 4:27:43 PM

so i dont want to buy monitor , i want only play today games on max but i dont know what card can do that with 1680x1050 .
March 4, 2011 5:30:12 PM

its not bottlenecking and i dont want to play on 2560x1050 i just wanted to play on 1680x1050 today games with a lot of perfomance . so schould i upgrade i7 920 to 960 with 3.2ghz ?
a c 133 à CPUs
March 4, 2011 5:38:16 PM

Just OC your I7 no point in upgrading when you can get the boost for free. Why are you only running 4GB of RAM you are not taking advantage of tri channel operation.

What kind of problems are you facing while tring to play at max because a 4870 x2 should max all out no problem the only advantage of getting a newer model is DX 11 besides that you are wasting your money.

March 4, 2011 5:58:34 PM

i cant overclock my core i7 920 if i overclock it my temps goes to 90c when playing crysis at 3ghz and i dont know how to replace stock cooler with aftermarket because you must take off motherboard and thats too dificult . if i upgrade to core i7 960 will it bring to me more perfomance?
a c 79 à CPUs
March 4, 2011 6:12:29 PM

Donwey said:
i cant overclock my core i7 920 if i overclock it my temps goes to 90c when playing crysis at 3ghz and i dont know how to replace stock cooler with aftermarket because you must take off motherboard and thats too dificult . if i upgrade to core i7 960 will it bring to me more perfomance?


upgrading the cpu is the as upgrading the cooler from a difficulty point of view, as you have to remove and replace the cooler either way.
a b à CPUs
March 4, 2011 6:56:26 PM

Hmmm, let's see if we can sort things out here:

- 1st what operating system are you using ?
- remember you Have to run the 64 bit version, or, RAM above 3.25Gb can't be used

- 2nd, the i7-920 is a triple channel CPU
- you must have three memory sticks to take advantage, so, add another Matching 2Gb stick. That will bring you up to 6Gb of RAM. Only cost about $20 and install is a snap. (that will speed you up quite a bit) (thks to SAAIELLO for pointing this out..)
NOTE: you can download and install CPU-Z from www.cpuid.com. Then check the Memory tab, you should see
"channels #" Triple once you have it right.

FIX the RAM issue first..... The 4870x2 is a still a very powerful card. Let's see how it runs once the RAM is fixed.....

- Now, I have an i7-920 system. It has Crossfire 5870's. About the same a GTX 580. I run 50--60 FPS in Crysis 2 (free test version) @ 1920 x 1080 max'd out.

- I can run at the stock 2.67 Ghz
- my 3.3 Ghz OC daily driver
- or my 4 Ghz OC max

Really, only a couple FPS change from top to bottom. Level load times are much faster, but, FPS seem tied to the GPU not the CPU at least in THIS title.......


a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 2:50:53 AM

Donwey said:
so i dont want to buy monitor , i want only play today games on max but i dont know what card can do that with 1680x1050 .

The 4870x2 (which you already have) can play today's games on max at that resolution. You don't need to upgrade.
a c 79 à CPUs
March 5, 2011 7:15:03 AM

cjl said:
The 4870x2 (which you already have) can play today's games on max at that resolution. You don't need to upgrade.


and dx11, tessalation etc. doesn't actually do a lot whilst gaming, on a static shot something might! be visible, but when there is movement, you can see a thing.
March 5, 2011 8:45:06 AM

i have problems in many games and cant run it on ultra with 35fps + like metro 2033 , new vegas , BC2 {without aa and af and hbao it drops to 40 fps from 60)
What i wanted to do is buy core i7 960 i know how to install stock cooler and then i will save money for better card like gtx 570 or 580 because i want max out bf3 . why schould i buy new 2gb ram? only loading times will be better not perfomance . you can help me what graphic card wouldnt be bottlenecked with i7 960 {3.2ghz with turbo boost 3.4} maybe i will see improvements in my pc after i add this procesor
March 5, 2011 9:01:02 AM

Donwey, you wont see much improvements with changing your cpu. And, custom coolers are as easy to put as the stock coolers. And i am sure your local shop ppl would change it for you for less than 20$. Also, your graphic card is very good. The problems you say are there because not all games have the crossfire profile support which is necessary for your graphics card. So, your card and your cpu are more than capable of running bf3 at 16X10 resolution. More so with better crossfire support. Just keep updated with latest graphics drivers and you should do fine. If you still insist on buying a new graphics card, then yes gtx 580 is the best right now. But in a month nvidia will release the 700$ gtx 590. It will be much better than the gtx 580 and nvidia have a much better reputation for sli, so 590X2 will give you as good performance in all major games.
March 5, 2011 9:40:04 AM

Donwey if i were you don't upgrade yet until you play BF3. What if your cpu and graphics card is good enough to play at 1680x1050 max settings. Honestly people that have a GTX 580 and 3ghz cpu don't even know if they can play BF3 at max settings because the game isn't even out yet. So wait till the game comes out and try it out or watch videos on youtube to see what kind of setup people have while playing BF3. So imo just wait till Beta or when the game actually releases. No point in buying a new GPU now if you don't need it yet. Like me i have a GTX 295 and i don't feel like i should be upgrading anytime soon. Not unless i want DX11 but to me that's not a big deal. I'm also waiting on BF3 to come out but im waiting to see what kind of results i get with the GTX 295 1st before i upgrade.
a c 79 à CPUs
March 5, 2011 9:44:22 AM

+1 also the price of the 580 will come down between now and then, and perhaps even a 585, or OC'd versions of the 580
March 5, 2011 10:24:03 AM

dont be a pussy just overclock your 920 i have a 930 @ 4.5ghz and when running F@H with my dual gtx 295s on a water cooled loop it hits 90c when the wife turns on the central heating... its about 12 months old and hasnt died yet.

and actually read all the comments above...
regarding RAM and resolution..
and the comment about not being able to put an aftermarket cooler on your pc.. how the hell u gonna put a new cpu in.
above all have fun
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 12:31:45 PM

Maybe my Post was too long to read...

Buy a 2Gb RAM stick. Install it. Your Games & CPU will now FLY........




Computers use data from RAM Constantly, not just to load levels. It was designed with triple channel for a reason... to feed data to the CPU fast, so it won't have to wait around to fetch the need instruction
March 5, 2011 12:41:46 PM

so how many fps may i get when i buy +2gb ram?
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 2:00:56 PM

Tom's hardware ranks the 4870 x2 on par with the GTX 480 and GTX 570.... (it is a powerful card...)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-...


So, go to a site like Guru3d, look up the game you want to know FPS for under GTX 480 and that's what your system with proper RAM should be able to do.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-radeon-6870-hawk-revi...

Example 56 FPS in Battle Field 2


http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-radeon-6870-hawk-revi...

For example 148 FPS in Call of Duty Modern Warfare


If RAM doesn't fix it, you likely still don't have the NVidia drivers and the dual GPU profiles installed correctly.


Bottom line if the level of performance above is enough you don't need ANY hardware upgrades...

a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 2:06:49 PM

cjl said:
Honestly, a 580 isn't that much of an upgrade from a 4870x2, and both are certainly overkill for 1680x1050.



Please tell me this is some sort of a sick joke in direct x 9 mabye there the same with 10 and 11 gtx 580 will destory a 4870x2 person experiance with this.
March 5, 2011 2:14:56 PM

gtx 570/480 = hd4870x2? what a joke :D  . so i try 3dmark benchamrk and i have checked my results and others 500 people have 15 000 + score and i have 13 526 ... where is the problem omg? maybe its in ram but it will not change my perfomance when i add 2gb ram so maybe the problem is in procesor that he is bottlenecking that card
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 3:06:51 PM

I dont care what anyone says about this post but my 750 watt xfx BE had issue powering 1 4870x2.
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 3:11:08 PM

It is true what the other people have said at any resolution below 1920x1080 a gtx 580-4870x2-570-470-480-560-460-radeon 5000 cards will bottleneck due to at that resolution the cpu does more scaling then the gpu does. with a 1920x1080 monitor you will get better scores and fps in the same game of that of a lower resolution.
a c 79 à CPUs
March 5, 2011 3:26:13 PM

Donwey said:
gtx 570/480 = hd4870x2? what a joke :D  . so i try 3dmark benchamrk and i have checked my results and others 500 people have 15 000 + score and i have 13 526 ... where is the problem omg? maybe its in ram but it will not change my perfomance when i add 2gb ram so maybe the problem is in procesor that he is bottlenecking that card


its only 10% different, thats not bad for them being two-three generations apart!
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 3:43:17 PM

Fix your ram and OC your cpu. You dont need to upgrade until you are looking at a rebuild. You will be able to max all games with that resolution.
March 5, 2011 6:19:50 PM

so i will buy core i7 960 with 3.2ghz and sell my i7 920 because i dont know how to overclock procesor and i cant overclock it due to high temps 3ghz=90c crysis after that i will save money for next 2gb ram
March 5, 2011 7:29:19 PM

if i buy aftermarket cooler firstly iam aware if my temps will be okay and secondly i dont know how to install it , i must take motherboard out so i have to get out all components and i dont know if i can get it back . because if that i will buy i7 960 with stock and i dont have to overclock because 3.2 is recommended
a c 79 à CPUs
March 5, 2011 7:34:47 PM

Quote:
buy a aftermarket cooler. It will cost you anything between 25 to 80usd depends how flashy you want it. Better than spending 200-300usd on a chip that will be outperformed by your cpu if it was running at the same clock. Its easy to overclock the I7 and there are lots of wonderful guides out there. But get your temps down first with a aftermarket cooler. Once you get the hang of it you will love it. We all had to learn and started from scratch. Like driving a car once your into it its simple basically. It will save you a lot of money

For the ram. There was shown there's a performance increase from 1gb to 2x2gb.
Don't buy a 2gb stick. Buy a 3x2gb kit rather. Buying a separate stick will mean it still won't be running triple channel. You'll need tl buy a kit


Not strictly correct, the ram may not be running at best speed but it will be triple channel with 1 more 2GB stick making 3x2GB in total. I doubt it would have much effect, i'm running 6GB rarely use more than 3.5GB.
a c 79 à CPUs
March 5, 2011 7:36:39 PM

Donwey said:
if i buy aftermarket cooler firstly iam aware if my temps will be okay and secondly i dont know how to install it , i must take motherboard out so i have to get out all components and i dont know if i can get it back . because if that i will buy i7 960 with stock and i dont have to overclock because 3.2 is recommended


you will have exactly the same problem fitting a new chip as a new cooler, as coolers are fitted on top of the chip, there's nothing behind the mobo to worry about, but you will need to be able to move around the board a bit, and as it would be your first intel pushpin installation i'd advise you do it out of the case.
March 5, 2011 7:53:26 PM

i have to get blackplate under motherboard so i must take it out but if i have stock i dont have to
March 5, 2011 7:55:06 PM

Just OC you CPU and get ram...Simple. You asked the question, you got the answers.
March 5, 2011 8:01:58 PM

I don't think he knows what you guys are talking about! sorry Donwey!

Just talk to someone that you know who is pretty good in computers about your problem, and I'm sure he/she =) will elp you out OC ing ur CPU and etc....
a c 79 à CPUs
March 5, 2011 8:18:07 PM

Donwey said:
i have to get blackplate under motherboard so i must take it out but if i have stock i dont have to


most aftermarket coolers do not require/use a backplate.
March 5, 2011 8:38:33 PM

show me some aftermarket coolers that dont and i will buy it + thermal paste
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 8:42:51 PM

13thmonkey said:
most aftermarket coolers do not require/use a backplate.



Are you high Name 5 good ones that are not oem that dont.... Oh wait you cant.
a c 79 à CPUs
March 5, 2011 9:25:49 PM

dude/dudette, trying to help out the op here, for what he's attempting there are plenty that are better than stock that don't need a backplate, give me a couple of hours when i've nothing better to do and i'll find them for you. Meanwhile, grow up.
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 9:52:18 PM

13thmonkey said:
dude/dudette, trying to help out the op here, for what he's attempting there are plenty that are better than stock that don't need a backplate, give me a couple of hours when i've nothing better to do and i'll find them for you. Meanwhile, grow up.

'


But i dont want to grow up:( 
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 9:54:42 PM

Quote:
Op get the 212 hyper or the zalman performa cooler


The 212+ should probably be mounted using the backplate -- mainly because of the size and weight of it - the stock backplate was not designed to hold that much weight and it could cause a problem if the Heatsink were to snap off of the stock MOBO backplate. --- the only way it could damage the MOBO with the new backplate is if it is not installed properly (be sure to follow the directions and use the rubber washers in the correct places to avoid a short and all will be fine !)



errrrrr not helping the op here;)
a b à CPUs
March 5, 2011 10:14:08 PM

The stock plastic back bracket is a cheap flimsy pile of crap i wouldnt bet a penny on it holding that kind of weight.
a b à CPUs
March 6, 2011 2:01:46 AM

Quote:
Why are we talking about back plates the hyper comes with one. Why use the stock one when your going to remove the stock cooler anyway? surely its not that hard to push pins through a few holes?



The op said that he does not want to take the mobo out..
a c 79 à CPUs
March 6, 2011 11:11:55 AM

Quote:
triple channel ram the sticks need to be the same. Same as with dual channel. If its not the same it won't run in triple channel mode.


yes it will, thats marketing bollocks, back in the sdram days there were issues with dissimilar sticks obviously only single channel, but it was rare. I've got two dissimilar sets running in dual channel, i'll swap them round if you like. The timings are the worst of the sets but they work.
March 7, 2011 1:28:07 PM

there is nothing like that just 7 clocks ...
a b à CPUs
March 7, 2011 6:20:37 PM

cia24 said:
Please tell me this is some sort of a sick joke in direct x 9 mabye there the same with 10 and 11 gtx 580 will destory a 4870x2 person experiance with this.

Um...

I owned a 4870x2. Two of them, actually. Now I own a 580, and it's a fairly significant downgrade from my pair of 4870x2s, and it's only a bit faster than one of them. The only (and I do mean only) reason I switched was because my 4870x2s died. The 4870x2 is an excellent card, and there's no real reason to switch to a 580 from one of them.
a b à CPUs
March 7, 2011 6:23:20 PM

cjl said:
Um...

I owned a 4870x2. Two of them, actually. Now I own a 580, and it's a fairly significant downgrade from my pair of 4870x2s, and it's only a bit faster than one of them. The only (and I do mean only) reason I switched was because my 4870x2s died. The 4870x2 is an excellent card, and there's no real reason to switch to a 580 from one of them.



dx 11 crysis 2, bc2


idiot
a b à CPUs
March 7, 2011 7:08:04 PM

Quote:
at higher resolutions the newer cards perform better. Throw in another 2 x 580s and get a projector.

A projector?

Why? It would be a downgrade. I'm running a 30" at 2560x1600. As for the additional 580 or two for SLI? Not now. My budget right now is a bit strained - I might add one this summer once I have a bit more cash available (and hopefully once the price has dropped a bit).

(And it's true the 580 does better in a couple of rare cases, mostly due to the 1GB of memory on the 4870x2s, but that's limited to things like Crysis at 2560x1600 with AA)
a b à CPUs
March 7, 2011 7:09:25 PM

cia24 said:
dx 11 crysis 2, bc2


idiot

You don't need DX11 for either of those, and the benefit of DX11 is rather small.

Of course, if you want to spend $500 so two games can look slightly prettier when examining screenshots with a magnifying glass, then who am I to stop you, it just doesn't seem worthwhile.

a b à CPUs
March 7, 2011 7:10:22 PM

why spend 200$ for a used 4870x2 off ebay when its outdated..
a b à CPUs
March 7, 2011 7:12:59 PM

cia24 said:
why spend 200$ for a used 4870x2 off ebay when its outdated..

Personally, I wouldn't, but that's mostly because it's a very hot running, high-end graphics card, and I don't buy those used as a general rule.

a b à CPUs
March 7, 2011 7:16:30 PM

I had a 4870x2 in games like bc2 and crysis on max setting at 1920x1080 my fps was about 30-40fps higher with the 580 then the 4870x2.
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