Superclocked GTX465 vs GTX 460

i'd still get the 460 even if it's priced a little higher. you have to oc the card though.

The GTX 465 and the GTX 460 are not comparable. The GTX 465 is a poor card with poor capabilitis, you really won't like the card. Spend the extra and get the GTX 460, you will be much happier with this card.

"Superclocked" = +18 mhz on the core and +40 mhz on the mem, WTF? And you still get the crappy reference cooler! That's a nice price but not a great 465, and that's a really great 460. Spend the extra $25, and that's plenty of power supply for either one.

The two cards are very comparable, but have a couple key differences. Load temperatures are significantly higher for the SC, but that heat is vented outside the case, versus the Hawk that vents heat inside the case. So, the overall system temp may actually be higher for the Hawk. Both cards run at about the same noise level, but the SC consumes less power.

Ultimately, FPS should be the key factor, and the Hawk consistently beats the SC by +12% on average at stock. BUT if you overclock, the performance difference is erased, in fact the Hawk needed to apply a maximum voltage tweak in order to come close to the SC with no voltage tweak.

Conclusion: If you intend to play at stock speeds, then get the Hawk. If price is a factor and you intend to overclock, then get the SC.

SC
Load Temp: 81c
Noise: 42dB
Power: 189 watts
*Cooler vents heat outside case.
(@1600x1200)
CODMW2: 102 fps/ 133 fps w/OC No extra voltage (+26% reference)
Battlefield BC2: 35 fps
DIRT2: 51 fps
Far Cry 2: 58 fps
Metro 2033: 18 fps
Crysis Warhead: 34 fps
http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-465-sc-r...

Hawk
Load Temp: 57c
Noise: 43dB
Power: 205 watts
*Cooler vents heat inside case.
(@1600x1200)
CODMW2: 114 fps/ 132 fps w/OC max extra voltage (+29% reference)
Battlefield BC2: 38 fps
DIRT2: 59 fps
Far Cry 2: 70 fps
Metro 2033: 19 fps
Crysis Warhead: 40 fps
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-460-hawk-...

460 FTW!

I have had the GTX460 for a couple weeks now and its AMAZING!. It murders my old 8800gts 640mb. It runs extremely cool and blasts through graphics programs easily.

GTX 465 isnt that bad of a card tbf. Me old man has the reference cooler 465. Plays settlers 7 on high settings with decent enough FPS.

Did very well on Ghost Warrior Sniper game

I don't think the 465 is a bad card, but if I had a choice I'd go with the 460 any day. It's what the 465 should have been in the first place.

If you're concerned about price get a 768mb gtx 460 and overclock it. You'll still beat the gtx 465 and it's a better/cooler card. The MSI cyclone 768mb 460 performs better than a stock 1gb 460 actually.

I think it's great to be able to compare actual numbers, rather than opinions. We all know that public perception can be shaped and molded, but numbers don't lie. I bet no one would have said that a 465 SC with a reference cooler would be quieter than a Hawk or Cylcone, and similarly no one would have said that the 465 would draw less power.

Personally, I would get the Hawk (or the Hawk "Talon Attack" model if available), but the 465 has 11 streaming multiprocessors vs. 7 for the Hawk, and 352 shader processors vs. 336 for the Hawk. When you start to overclock, that additional processing power helps the 465 to overtake the Hawk in terms of performance. So, it's not as bad of a card as people make it out to be, and with a lower price it's definintely one to consider.

Really, if I were in the market for something in this price range, I would get the ECS GTX460 Black for $204, which is the quietest and coolest of the bunch by far.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/ecs-geforce-gtx-460-black...

Was just about to suggest the ECS GTX460, but this bugger beat me to it  

  +1 ^

Wait...so the GTX460 is more powerful than the GTX465?...*confused*?

Logic,

Nivida does not like this one.

Your not comparing benchmark results there your comparing hardware specifications which don't always translate to performance.
Also your mistaken with your claims of gtx465 being more quiet than the gtx 460 cyclone.
You may have one review that got those results , but most don't.
I have two cyclones and if they are both at 100%, I really can barely hear them.
I know there are no blower type fans that can make that claim. My xfx 4770 with reference blower type hsf was much louder than both my cards at 100%
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...

edit;
Perception and opinions: everyone's got them  

You are comparing two cards with different performance levels. At stock the GTX 460 and GTX 465 have very similar performance. Ignoring that the Hawk has a factory OC of 105mhz vs 18mhz on the GTX 465 is what makes those numbers you listed what they are. Put the OC on the Hawk down or the GTX 465 up to the level of the Hawk and the numbers would match the general perception of the two cards.
Also a key number you didn't emphasize is load temperature. Heat is directly related to power usage so that the Hawk is using more power yet running 24 degrees cooler even with a much higher overclock says all you need to know about the cooling on the two cards. Start bumping up the voltage on the GTX 465 for an OC and that 81c will seem cool even with the fan sounding like a leaf blower at 100%.

fact is, the 465 is a poorly designed, rushed release card that noone should buy. It uses too much power, creates too much heat and is slower than the 460. If you get the 460 you can run a 500w good brand psu which will save you some money.