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December 11, 2010 12:38:56 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Now.

Budget Range: 600$ - 700$

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Intense gaming / Multitasking / Browsing

Parts Not Required: Keyboard / Mouse / Speakers / OS

Preferred Website for Parts: Newgg.com only

Country of Origin: U.S

Parts Preferences: AMD

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 is a must / so is +21''

Additional Comments: I want a cheap, great computer.

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Case: RAIDMAX Tornado ATX-238WU Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: Acer G215HAbd-1 Black 21.5" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 ACM 50,000:1 - 130$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: PNY XLR8 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Timing: 8-8-8 - 43$ (MIR) (Normal 78$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-630SS 630W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready - 25$ (Normal 70$) (Combo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: MSI 870A-G54 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD - 61$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz Socket AM3 95W - 79$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: GIGABYTE Super Overclock Series GeForce GTX 460 Fermi 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI-E 2.0 x16 = 195$ (Normal 220$) (Combo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD: Western Digital Caviar Green WD6400AADS-FR 640GB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" - 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OD: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA - 17$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Subtotal: $669.91
Shipping: $22.74
Total: $692.65 (Before MIR)
MIR Value: 50$

Grand Total: $642.65 (~$522.65 if you don't need a monitor, either)


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NOTICE: I HAVE CHANGED ALOT OF THE COMPONENTS!
EDIT: Forgot to change the link on the PSU, corrected, now to show the proper one listen


Monitor: Changed to support 1080p, great stats, reliable brand, cheap!

Memory: Changed from 1333 @ 9 Timing > Gaming Memory 1600 @ 8 Timing and a better brand name, thus reliability.

PSU: Changed from 700W "PoS" Sunbeam with > ? Efficiency > Raidmax 630W Reliable PSU with > 85% Efficiency Certified

HD: Changed from a 16MB Cache 500GB > 32MB Cache 640GB SATA 3.0 and saved a few bucks with an upgrade!

GPU: Changed from 2x 5770's @ 210$ > Super OC'd GTX 460 for the following reasons:
1. Nearly the same price as a Stock 6850, which has proven to be it's evil twin, basically. Scorned brothers?
2. Gigabyte Gauntlet Sorting = Improved OC Ability up to 10-30% / Up to 5-10% Lower Temperatures / Smart-Fan.
3. This version of the GTX 460 is shown to be 10-15% faster than a Stock 460, added with the +10-30% OC ability, technically yields ~+15-25% performance gains. Here is a link with Benchmarks to back it up.
4. The combo with the great PSU, dropping the price of both the GPU/PSU by 25$ each, saving me 50$. GPU = 195$ now.
5. The exceptional performance of this particular card will probably run on par with a Stock 6870, after I OC it again aftermarket, some people claim to have gotten the clock speed up to 930MHz or even more, I didn't really search too much on it. Crunched the math, and @ 930MHz vs 675MHz stock = +27.5% Core Speed Increase, so i'm willing to bet it's a good +20% better performance than stock.

** Super OC'd GTX 460 BM's **
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

** Combo Link **
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


Thank you all again for the input so I could put together this awesome build, what's your opinion on it now?
December 11, 2010 12:47:54 PM

Not quite flawless. :D  But that's why we're here, isn't it?
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December 11, 2010 1:26:38 PM

That psu is garbage, I wouldn't go with 5770's in cf I would start out with a 6850 and add a second one down the road as they scale much better in cf. Go for the spinpoint f3. I really wouldn't go for an openbox motherboard. It just makes more sense to get something new.. I really don't like the build at all, so flawless... no.
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December 11, 2010 1:59:58 PM

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz (79$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MOBO: ASRock 870 EXTREME3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 (94$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (59$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: HIS H685F1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit (184$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache SATA II (54$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W 80+ (69$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD: ASUS 24X SATA (19$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CASE: RAIDMAX Tornado ATX-238WU Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower (39$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MONITOR: Acer Black 21.5" 5ms Widescreen 300 cd/m2 ACM 50,000:1 (129$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL: 733$

As above posts already said, that PSU u selected is crap. You should go with 6850 now and later on add another 6850 rather then being stuck with 2 x 5770. Samsung F3 is better in performance. Asus LCD u selected had 1680x1050 native resolution while the Acer comes with 1920 x 1080 native res. Total is a bit more then ur budget but its a lot better build.
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December 11, 2010 2:48:51 PM

^ That is basically the exact same build that I would have suggested +1
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December 12, 2010 1:15:50 AM

Okay, the monitor I chose is better and cheaper than yours mian. 120$ vs 129$
It's a HD, 16MB Cache is fine, I was never one to care for brand names. This is a budget gaming build, I am going cheap and I trust open box from newegg. That PSU is lower wattage and costs alot more, if the PSU I get isn't as advertised, I will just RMA. 39$ vs 70$. I don't think you noticed that those 5770's are 105$ a pop, do you realize how ridiculously cheap that is, with CuCore Tech and Stock OC? Look at Powercolor's reviews for the 6850 on here, it's a reliable brand name. 2x 5770s = 1x 5870(a good bit better than a 6850) for basically the same price as 1x6850. So I still think this is the best setup for budget gaming.

EDIT: Also, that MOBO you suggested is 34$ more, for basically the same thing. 95$ vs 61$.
The Memory I chose is 7 Timing, those Ripjaws are 9, I really want tight timings over higher clock speed.

Conclusion = 34$ + 31$ + 9$ + 30$(60$ if I get 2x 5770s) = 104$(134$ 2x 5770s) savings over suggested items.
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December 12, 2010 1:29:29 AM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
Okay, the monitor I chose is better and cheaper than yours mian. 120$ vs 129$
It's a HD, 16MB Cache is fine, I was never one to care for brand names. This is a budget gaming build, I am going cheap and I trust open box from newegg. That PSU is lower wattage and costs alot more, if the PSU I get isn't as advertised, I will just RMA. 39$ vs 70$. I don't think you noticed that those 5770's are 105$ a pop, do you realize how ridiculously cheap that is, with CuCore Tech and Stock OC? Look at Powercolor's reviews for the 6850 on here, it's a reliable brand name. 2x 5770s = 1x 5870(a good bit better than a 6850) for basically the same price as 1x6850. So I still think this is the best setup for budget gaming.


Are you asking for help with a low cost gaming rig ? or just braging about the system you picked out ? ( if you think its the best setup for your budget ) then just go buy it and play your games and be happy...

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December 12, 2010 1:40:02 AM

@niklas_13

I'm just trying to get people to suggest anything they can find that is cheaper, with the same or better quality, not higher price with better quality, I am just emphasizing on Budget.
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December 12, 2010 2:24:44 AM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
@niklas_13

I'm just trying to get people to suggest anything they can find that is cheaper, with the same or better quality, not higher price with better quality, I am just emphasizing on Budget.


Your arrogance however tells a different story. Also while people may be suggesting hardware that is slighty
more pricey the quality or performance difference is worth the extra money.

When you say something as ridiculous as this
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if the PSU I get isn't as advertised, I will just RMA.

I am sure you made everyone do a facepalm. Skimping on the PSU is the worst thing you can do. So whats your
plan if the PSU blows out and it just so happens to damage other hardware with it?

A few other things to note. I noticed that your mobo selection is a open box. You do realize there is a great chances of missing accessories with it right? Also your not considering shipping prices which adds up to about $30.
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The Memory I chose is 7 Timing, those Ripjaws are 9, I really want tight timings over higher clock speed

Face palm.
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December 12, 2010 2:29:27 AM

You do realize we are trying to help you in the long run, the worst mistake you can make is getting a bad psu, as it can take other parts out with it when it goes boom.
We are just giving you advice, the reason for the suggestion on the hdd has nothing to do with its cache, it is based on the fact that it runs on 500gb platters making it one of the fastest mechanical drives out there. The 5xxx series does not scale as well as the 6xxx series in crossfire, so theoretically 2 in cf will have more raw horsepower then a 5870 but will not perform as well.
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December 12, 2010 2:31:16 AM

NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 35$ AR and Promo Code

CORSAIR Builder Series CMPSU-600CX 600W ATX12V v2.3 Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 55$ AR

AMD Athlon II X4 645 Propus 3.1GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor ADX645WFGMBOX
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard 205$ AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 60$

ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 170$ AR

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 55$

Total 580$
U can select any graphics card of your choice



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December 12, 2010 3:13:14 AM

@Nuclear

Okay, well that's cool. Your opinion/reply is nice? and constructive? The PSU is being sold on Newegg, I trust newegg, I already edited everything in the main post after all the input. I don't care about brand name. People that say, that's a PoS! and have no evidence to prove it are funny to me. How is it a PoS? Because you didn't get that brand? But using words like facepalm and stuff may make you feel a little cooler inside. Thanks for the input. Yes, I am aware that you have to pay for products you want shipped to your house...Thanks for that bit of unknown info.
P.S Lower timings > Clock Speed imo, don't come at me with teenage WoW slang, come at me with something constructive, but that's not why you're here..is it?

@zooted

When did I say that I wasn't receiving help?

Also, I know that the 6850 is better, when did I say that it wasn't? I am going for the 5770 because it is 105$ (normal 150$~), which is = 1x 5870 . Also, the 5770 has been shown to have up to 120% Scalability on certain titles.

5870 > 6870 > 5850 > 6850 > 5830 > 5770
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December 12, 2010 4:10:10 AM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
@Nuclear

Okay, well that's cool. Your opinion/reply is nice? and constructive? The PSU is being sold on Newegg, I trust newegg, I already edited everything in the main post after all the input. I don't care about brand name. People that say, that's a PoS! and have no evidence to prove it are funny to me. How is it a PoS? Because you didn't get that brand? But using words like facepalm and stuff may make you feel a little cooler inside. Thanks for the input. Yes, I am aware that you have to pay for products you want shipped to your house...Thanks for that bit of unknown info.
P.S Lower timings > Clock Speed imo, don't come at me with teenage WoW slang, come at me with something constructive, but that's not why you're here..is it?

@zooted

When did I say that I wasn't receiving help?

Also, I know that the 6850 is better, when did I say that it wasn't? I am going for the 5770 because it is 105$ (normal 150$~), which is = 1x 5870 . Also, the 5770 has been shown to have up to 120% Scalability on certain titles.

5870 > 6870 > 5850 > 6850 > 5830 > 5770


If you get a PSU that is not from a reliable brand, you are asking for trouble.

The RAM you listed has a CAS latency of 9, which is the exact same as the the RAM that he listed.

"Teenage WoW slang" what are you talking about? People are trying to help you, but you are being arrogant, despite the fact that you don't know what you are talking about.

The 6850 is a better choice because it will scale better than the 5770s in CF

"120% scalability" What are you talking about? Some kind of benchmarks would help.
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December 12, 2010 4:32:12 AM

Just let it be
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December 12, 2010 8:36:19 AM

If he wants to spend his money just to have it all blow out later, let him. If he wants to buy an open box and spend the money he could have spent on a real motherboard in shipping it back, let him. If he wants to go with something slightly better now than having the ability to go with something twice as great later on when he needs more performance, let him. It's not worth getting your panties in a bunch.

From a specs stand point to dollar ratio, yes, this build is amazing. But when you bring it down to reality and what complications may arise and the money you will spend later to fix it, then you might want to rethink it. That power supply is GARBAGE. At least go with a cooler master if you won't go with a reliable one.

2x 5770 isn't much better than a 6850 tbh, and what happens when you need more? 4x 5770? No, the 6850 is the best choice.

And as for the motherboard. I have previously bought open box thinking. "wow! What a great deal!" To find out everything is missing, and there are things wrong with the motherboard. Save yourself the time, money, and headaches. Buy a brand new one.

And don't talk down to the other members out there. Chances are if they advise something to you, it's probably a better idea than what you had in the first place, don't be a douche to the teacher when you hand him an essay and he corrects it.
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December 12, 2010 8:54:33 AM

@wort

I understand that, I trust newegg, though. I see now that it is 9 Timing, thought for sure it was 7. How do I not know what I am talking about? How many times am I going to have to say I know that a 6850 > 5770.
But 2x 5770s for 210$ is the same performance as 1x 5870, which is better than a 6870 by about 10%, the same for a 6850 at like 20% or more, for the same price (6850s cost 190$) You guys are harping on the PSU way too much, it's not like a child slapped together some parts, i'm sure if they can manufacture it on a mass scale, it has to have at least a smidgeon of reliability.

http://www.overclock.net/ati/644665-radeon-5770-cf-vs-5...

^^There. Some benchmarks show scalability to be 100-120%

@ falsegods

I know the 5770 isn't as good...but it's normalls a 150$ card for 105$, 210$ for 5870 performance, which is PLENTY for any game that I want to play (Aion / BFBC2 / L4D2)

I also have purchased an open box CPU, im using it right now, same with my mobo, everything worked fine. My 4670 was open box 2 yrs ago and it still runs fine.

Btw, I never said anything offensive to anybody, that one guy said I did and others followed suit.
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December 12, 2010 9:46:16 AM

^ Pheeew last time i posted the build for u i went to sleep and as i woke up now and see all these posts trying to tell u about the importance of a gud PSU and importance of spending a little bit more money on a long term system and my God u wont listen to any of them, damn.

Okay lets start with the GPU side. As u say a 2x5770 will be better for u as its price is very low and will perform like a 5870, fine almost true. Lets now forward our self to 1 year to 2012, new games are releasing requiring more GPU power then ur 2x5770, wat r u gona do? u r stuck with them unless u sell them off or either u get 6850 now & then just add another 6850. If u dont care about future then go ahead with 2x5770.

Now the PSU part, i had a personal experience of buy an unknown brand and when putting up my build(few years back), it screwed my mobo, hdd and dvd drive. Quality brands like Corsair, Antec, OCZ, Seasonic etc are building quality PSU's with being 80+ certified. Do a bit of googling on this.

Monitor side now. You specifically said u want 1920x1080 resolution and still selected an Asus with 1680x1050 res. The reason i selected the Acer is cause of the 1920x1080 res. So i dono where u saw the Asus supporting the Full HD res but in google search its showing me 1680x1050 res in many sites.

RAM side now. I guess u were mistaken of that RAM u selected before to have CAS 7, now u updated ur main post with the one i selected which is CAS 9.

I hope i made my points clear. Rest is up to you !!
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December 12, 2010 10:50:30 AM

He is clearly too bullheaded to take advice and can't accept constructive criticism.

So go ahead and let him buy the cheap-o PSU and the open box mobo and 2 5770's.

That way it's not our fault when he realizes that he wasted money. ^.^
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December 12, 2010 10:50:47 AM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
Okay, the monitor I chose is better and cheaper than yours mian. 120$ vs 129$
It's a HD, 16MB Cache is fine, I was never one to care for brand names. This is a budget gaming build, I am going cheap and I trust open box from newegg. That PSU is lower wattage and costs alot more, if the PSU I get isn't as advertised, I will just RMA. 39$ vs 70$. I don't think you noticed that those 5770's are 105$ a pop, do you realize how ridiculously cheap that is, with CuCore Tech and Stock OC? Look at Powercolor's reviews for the 6850 on here, it's a reliable brand name. 2x 5770s = 1x 5870(a good bit better than a 6850) for basically the same price as 1x6850. So I still think this is the best setup for budget gaming.

EDIT: Also, that MOBO you suggested is 34$ more, for basically the same thing. 95$ vs 61$.
The Memory I chose is 7 Timing, those Ripjaws are 9, I really want tight timings over higher clock speed.

Conclusion = 34$ + 31$ + 9$ + 30$(60$ if I get 2x 5770s) = 104$(134$ 2x 5770s) savings over suggested items.



Hard drive. Can't say I like hitachi. I have been working on computers for 10+ years, and work in IT and don't recommend hitachi. I almost always prefer seagate, or western digital. Just seems like when you buy a cheaper hard drive they fail more quickly.

How about one of these instead. It's 15 dollars more, but is better quality and double the storage. Free shipping and 3 year warranty as well.

http://3btech.net/seba1tb7232b.html

I would not use that sunbeam power supply, I know you are looking at prices and saying man that looks good, but it's been said you can't manufacture a good power supply for under 45, and you are asking a 30 dollar unit to power 200 dollars worth of video cards. No offense bro, but you should really look at a beefier unit. Man I know where you're coming from. But the reason we are telling you don't get the stuff you want is because most of us are/were gamers and started out as you are starting and have made mistakes. I've personally fried a motherboard one time using a a cheap power supply. Been down that road.

You trust newegg? Don't make me laugh bro. I might occasionally buy something from newegg, but not much at all. I've seen them do stuff like charge people restock fees on things that came to their house dead in the package. Clearly not the customer's fault, and newegg charged a restock fee. Happened to my parents on some memory they ordered actually. My dad is actually decent with computers as well. So trust newegg? Not me. If you a microcenter nearby, check them out man. They are a brick and mortar chain mostly in the midwest, but have prices comparable to newegg, etc. In fact, I found out they will match newegg prices on same items.

But I am telling you, one thing from experience I have learned, NEVER skimp on the power supply. I would definitely also avoid an open box motherboard. How do you know someone else didn't get that board, fry it, then send it back? Get a new one sealed. Motherboard and power supply are the worst places to cut corners. You can do what you want, but as I said, don't come crying to us when your system blows up on you in a year because you cut corners.

Btw, considering what you are spending and putting in your rig, the x3 isn't a bad chip, but personally, I would probably just spend 20 dollars extra and grab a quad instead of the tri core. That way, you get a little more flexibility for later.

I apologize if I came across as harsh.

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December 12, 2010 3:23:45 PM

OK, this is my first post, but I have been researching budget gaming pcs (SUB $700) for over 6 months, not only that but 4-5 hours a day for 6 months. So listen to what I have to say.

First off you DO NOT NEED, two 5770s, even with the MIR you are forking out 210, guess what, here is a 6850 for 185, thats the same or equal performance for $25 less. PLUS you have the ability to add a second 6850 later, giving you a hell of a lot better performance in the long run.

GIGABYTE GV-R685D5-1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

$185

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

No need to spend more on a GPU unless you want to go all out, meaning i7, 5970, 16GB DDR3-2000, etc. I have seen all those games you listed played perfectly fine on a single 5770, yet alone a 6850.

NOW TAKE THAT EXTRA $25 and invest it in a,

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7

$55 (MIR)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Its less wattage, but you will be fine.

The guys on here have VAST amounts of knowledge, so be like me and listen to them. I have posted everyone of my builds on here and they are all so much better for it.

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December 12, 2010 5:10:37 PM

My two Cents.
(1) on PSU - I know what you are saying about cost premium for Brand name, reason I will (one of the reason) never buy a Sony product. For PSUs that's not the case so much. Cheaper PSUs are normally cheaper for a Good reason
... (A) Cheaper PSUs provide poorer regulation
... (B) Cheaper PSUs Stats are based on a controlled temp that is lower than a Quality PSU. What this means is that the rated output drops off considerably when installed and subjected to NORMAL operating Temps.
... (C) Inferior internal parts are used, ie lower rated which means they tend to fail quicker and more often.
... (D) Let's say that cheaper PSU makes it thru the year (and Has a 2 -> 3 year warrenty). It goes out and takes your MB/CPU/and Proc with it. You may get a new or Reconditiond Identical PSU, But your other comments are not covered!!!

Just some food for though. And above posters are basing this on reviews/and or relative listing (rank). Just google this.

(2) Open box - Yes I buy open box items, just NOT MBs and generally not thru internet _(and Yes I know newegg is great, buy 90% of my computer products there). In addition to the parts that may be missing, My number one problem is How it was handle by the orginal customer. While the MB may boot (emphase on May), the orignal customer may have improperly handled it and or made an error in installation - Things that are unknown. The MB may fall in to the catagory of "Walking Wounded" which means a part has been stressed to the point that it WILL fail down stream, maybe one week, maybe one month, maybe a year. - You never Know, and most will never even know that this was the reason for failure.
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December 12, 2010 5:30:22 PM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
@Nuclear

Okay, well that's cool. Your opinion/reply is nice? and constructive? The PSU is being sold on Newegg, I trust newegg, I already edited everything in the main post after all the input. I don't care about brand name. People that say, that's a PoS! and have no evidence to prove it are funny to me. How is it a PoS? Because you didn't get that brand? But using words like facepalm and stuff may make you feel a little cooler inside. Thanks for the input. Yes, I am aware that you have to pay for products you want shipped to your house...Thanks for that bit of unknown info.
P.S Lower timings > Clock Speed imo, don't come at me with teenage WoW slang, come at me with something constructive, but that's not why you're here..is it?

@zooted

When did I say that I wasn't receiving help?

Also, I know that the 6850 is better, when did I say that it wasn't? I am going for the 5770 because it is 105$ (normal 150$~), which is = 1x 5870 . Also, the 5770 has been shown to have up to 120% Scalability on certain titles.

5870 > 6870 > 5850 > 6850 > 5830 > 5770



Newegg is a retailer not a manufacture and Newegg sells all a span of quality ranging goods.
It doesn't matter how much you trust Newegg its completely irrelevant. I really can't believe your even
saying such ignorant things. I'm not sure if your a fool or a troll.

Through out my years I've had PSU's eventually die on me and went quietly except for one.
The PSU was part of a brand new build which at the time was only 3 months old. The PSU blew it
made a loud bang and even shot large sparks out from the back. I got lucky and
didn't have any other hardware damaged. This wasn't a cheap PSU either.
If that can happen with a quality PSU just imagine how much your increasing the chances with
going with a cheap one.

Hardware quality differs. This isn't about name brand or not. Do you really want to take the risk of
going cheap on the one piece of hardware that can devastate the entire rig?


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Thanks for the input. Yes, I am aware that you have to pay for products you want shipped to your house.
The point is you didn't include it within the final price. Now you could argue that this
is unfair as its not the cost of the hardware itself which would be a decent point. One that you of course
failed to make however. Instead you act like a little... well better not say it.

I would also like to point out that considering the final price with the mail in rebates isn't exactly safe.
There are two reasons for such. #1 You may never get your money back, this also leads me to believe you really
don't have much experience in this. #2 While this personally never happened to me I have heard of horror stories
with Newegg due to mail in rebates. You see Newegg doesn't like the UPC code being removed and having the item RMAed to then after and obviously for good reasons. Guess what requires proof of purchase? You got it
the rebate! Your running the risk of not being able to RMA if need be.



Quote:
P.S Lower timings > Clock Speed imo, don't come at me with teenage WoW slang, come at me with something constructive, but that's not why you're here..is it?


It doesn't matter what your opinion is when the facts show differently. In rare cases lower timings outperform the
raw speed. Of course even those rare cases if the speed difference is a large enough gap the lower timing
still loses. Since you made it clear your aim is a gaming rig I can't even think of a single game off the top of my head
that actually is the rare exception. The only program I can even think of that is used for gaming that has such a benefit is a PS2 emulator which in itself is not a game. I also find this to be quite amusing of a statement when you
inaccurately read the timings of the ram you chosen in the first place.


I would find it highly amusing if you already ordered everything and came to brag about it.
Expecting everyone to idolize you and your "flawless" build.
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December 13, 2010 2:13:42 AM

amk09 said:
He is clearly too bullheaded to take advice and can't accept constructive criticism.

So go ahead and let him buy the cheap-o PSU and the open box mobo and 2 5770's.

That way it's not our fault when he realizes that he wasted money. ^.^


@amk09

Please refrain from making a post with no information contained within it but snide remarks to further your self-satisfaction.
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December 13, 2010 2:20:38 AM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
Hard drive. Can't say I like hitachi. I have been working on computers for 10+ years, and work in IT and don't recommend hitachi. I almost always prefer seagate, or western digital. Just seems like when you buy a cheaper hard drive they fail more quickly.

How about one of these instead. It's 15 dollars more, but is better quality and double the storage. Free shipping and 3 year warranty as well.

http://3btech.net/seba1tb7232b.html

I would not use that sunbeam power supply, I know you are looking at prices and saying man that looks good, but it's been said you can't manufacture a good power supply for under 45, and you are asking a 30 dollar unit to power 200 dollars worth of video cards. No offense bro, but you should really look at a beefier unit. Man I know where you're coming from. But the reason we are telling you don't get the stuff you want is because most of us are/were gamers and started out as you are starting and have made mistakes. I've personally fried a motherboard one time using a a cheap power supply. Been down that road.

You trust newegg? Don't make me laugh bro. I might occasionally buy something from newegg, but not much at all. I've seen them do stuff like charge people restock fees on things that came to their house dead in the package. Clearly not the customer's fault, and newegg charged a restock fee. Happened to my parents on some memory they ordered actually. My dad is actually decent with computers as well. So trust newegg? Not me. If you a microcenter nearby, check them out man. They are a brick and mortar chain mostly in the midwest, but have prices comparable to newegg, etc. In fact, I found out they will match newegg prices on same items.

But I am telling you, one thing from experience I have learned, NEVER skimp on the power supply. I would definitely also avoid an open box motherboard. How do you know someone else didn't get that board, fry it, then send it back? Get a new one sealed. Motherboard and power supply are the worst places to cut corners. You can do what you want, but as I said, don't come crying to us when your system blows up on you in a year because you cut corners.

Btw, considering what you are spending and putting in your rig, the x3 isn't a bad chip, but personally, I would probably just spend 20 dollars extra and grab a quad instead of the tri core. That way, you get a little more flexibility for later.

I apologize if I came across as harsh.


@ohiou_grad_06

Thanks alot for the input, but I would appreciate if you all read my previous posts thoroughly,as I have stated that I can unlock the 4th core on the X3 445, it's what I have in my system right now, it reads as a Phenom II X4 B35 @ 3.5GHz. Also, I already stated that I don't care much for brand name preference, I feel that if they have the marketability to be massively manufactured, they must have at least a smidgeon of reliability, and it comes with a free 30-day warranty, im not afraid to use it, not saying I am eager to get a bad part either, but I do trust Newegg. I have bought many products from them, mostly open box and they have ALL worked to a tee, and any problems I had were quickly solved. I will definitely check into what you said about microcenter, though. Again, if you read thoroughly, I also stated that I am going for budget > performance slightly (60/40). Thanks alot for the info, no offense taken, and I also don't mean to sound offensive.


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December 13, 2010 2:29:01 AM

NuclearShadow said:
Newegg is a retailer not a manufacture and Newegg sells all a span of quality ranging goods.
It doesn't matter how much you trust Newegg its completely irrelevant. I really can't believe your even
saying such ignorant things. I'm not sure if your a fool or a troll.

Through out my years I've had PSU's eventually die on me and went quietly except for one.
The PSU was part of a brand new build which at the time was only 3 months old. The PSU blew it
made a loud bang and even shot large sparks out from the back. I got lucky and
didn't have any other hardware damaged. This wasn't a cheap PSU either.
If that can happen with a quality PSU just imagine how much your increasing the chances with
going with a cheap one.

Hardware quality differs. This isn't about name brand or not. Do you really want to take the risk of
going cheap on the one piece of hardware that can devastate the entire rig?


Quote:
Thanks for the input. Yes, I am aware that you have to pay for products you want shipped to your house.
The point is you didn't include it within the final price. Now you could argue that this
is unfair as its not the cost of the hardware itself which would be a decent point. One that you of course
failed to make however. Instead you act like a little... well better not say it.

I would also like to point out that considering the final price with the mail in rebates isn't exactly safe.
There are two reasons for such. #1 You may never get your money back, this also leads me to believe you really
don't have much experience in this. #2 While this personally never happened to me I have heard of horror stories
with Newegg due to mail in rebates. You see Newegg doesn't like the UPC code being removed and having the item RMAed to then after and obviously for good reasons. Guess what requires proof of purchase? You got it
the rebate! Your running the risk of not being able to RMA if need be.



Quote:
P.S Lower timings > Clock Speed imo, don't come at me with teenage WoW slang, come at me with something constructive, but that's not why you're here..is it?


It doesn't matter what your opinion is when the facts show differently. In rare cases lower timings outperform the
raw speed. Of course even those rare cases if the speed difference is a large enough gap the lower timing
still loses. Since you made it clear your aim is a gaming rig I can't even think of a single game off the top of my head
that actually is the rare exception. The only program I can even think of that is used for gaming that has such a benefit is a PS2 emulator which in itself is not a game. I also find this to be quite amusing of a statement when you
inaccurately read the timings of the ram you chosen in the first place.


I would find it highly amusing if you already ordered everything and came to brag about it.
Expecting everyone to idolize you and your "flawless" build.


@nuclear

I never said Newegg wasn't...where are you coming up with this stuff? If you would have actually read my posts, I edited the price to include ALL SHIPPING COSTS. Thank you, read before you post. I have stated that I trust newegg, why must you continue to harp upon this subject? Also, I have bought alot of products from newegg, I have always received my mail-in rebate on time. I have read alot about memory, and lower, tighter timings do yield a better performance, as to the fact that having a Mem Clock Spd of 1:1 to your FSB is optimal, I underclock my Mem Clock Speed anyway to do that.
Why do you keep trying to make the point that I am arrogant and here to brag? I am here trying to build the cheapest/best build possible. F feelings, this is the web. Why are you offended and being offensive?
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December 13, 2010 2:36:03 AM

Don't oc on stock cooler.


Budget 20-40 dollars depending on how high you wish to OC
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December 13, 2010 2:36:50 AM

The HD 6850 will be close to xfired HD 5770s and ATM the HD 6850 is 184.99 so its cheeper ATM then the Xfire setup and it will leave the door open to xfire2 HD 6850 latter and blow the 2 HD 5770s away.

Also That PSU might not have the cables to xfire 2 cards. I know you dont care about brand names But plz spend 30 bucks more on a better PSU so you dont burn your house down

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December 13, 2010 2:38:52 AM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
@ohiou_grad_06

Thanks alot for the input, but I would appreciate if you all read my previous posts thoroughly,as I have stated that I can unlock the 4th core on the X3 445, it's what I have in my system right now, it reads as a Phenom II X4 B35 @ 3.5GHz. Also, I already stated that I don't care much for brand name preference, I feel that if they have the marketability to be massively manufactured, they must have at least a smidgeon of reliability, and it comes with a free 30-day warranty, im not afraid to use it, not saying I am eager to get a bad part either, but I do trust Newegg. I have bought many products from them, mostly open box and they have ALL worked to a tee, and any problems I had were quickly solved. I will definitely check into what you said about microcenter, though. Again, if you read thoroughly, I also stated that I am going for budget > performance slightly (60/40). Thanks alot for the info, no offense taken, and I also don't mean to sound offensive.


A 30 day warranty is pathetic for a PSU. On my corsair 650HX, I have a 7 year warranty. I gladly paid the ~$100 for a decent PSU that wont blow everything up, but if it does die in 5 years, I will be covered.
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December 13, 2010 2:51:19 AM

If you have noticed every single person that has responded has suggested getting a better quality psu. Maybe there is a reason for that...
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December 13, 2010 3:42:28 AM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
@amk09

Please refrain from making a post with no information contained within it but snide remarks to further your self-satisfaction.



@ignorantOP

Please refrain from making topics asking for people's input when you have no intent on listening to their input or taking their advice, especially when they are clearly right and you are clearly wrong. Bragging is fine, but acting like a know-it-all when you are not, isn't.

Please refrain from being ignorant and condescending to regulars on the forum who have taken time out of their day to try and help an uneducated prick who wants to buy a garbage PSU, open box mobo, and crossfire 5770's right away.

And if you could, please refrain from ever coming here again.
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December 13, 2010 3:54:34 AM

mattius92 said:
OK, this is my first post, but I have been researching budget gaming pcs (SUB $700) for over 6 months, not only that but 4-5 hours a day for 6 months. So listen to what I have to say.

First off you DO NOT NEED, two 5770s, even with the MIR you are forking out 210, guess what, here is a 6850 for 185, thats the same or equal performance for $25 less. PLUS you have the ability to add a second 6850 later, giving you a hell of a lot better performance in the long run.

GIGABYTE GV-R685D5-1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

$185

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

No need to spend more on a GPU unless you want to go all out, meaning i7, 5970, 16GB DDR3-2000, etc. I have seen all those games you listed played perfectly fine on a single 5770, yet alone a 6850.

NOW TAKE THAT EXTRA $25 and invest it in a,

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7

$55 (MIR)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Its less wattage, but you will be fine.

The guys on here have VAST amounts of knowledge, so be like me and listen to them. I have posted everyone of my builds on here and they are all so much better for it.



@mattius92

Thanks for the info. But, 2x 5770s outperforms a 6850 by a good margin, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-rade...
As you can see the 6850 is about 5% slower than the 5850, thus about 20% slower than a 5870, or 2x 5770s. http://www.overclock.net/ati/644665-radeon-5770-cf-vs-5...
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December 13, 2010 3:56:45 AM

Adamm07x said:
Don't oc on stock cooler.


Budget 20-40 dollars depending on how high you wish to OC


@Adamm07x

I have a stock open box CPU with stock heatsink (AMD X3 435 2.9) OC'd at 3.5GHz. Stays under 40 degrees most of the time, maybe 45-48 under full load for extended periods.
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December 13, 2010 3:59:36 AM

amk09 said:
@ignorantOP

Please refrain from making topics asking for people's input when you have no intent on listening to their input or taking their advice, especially when they are clearly right and you are clearly wrong. Bragging is fine, but acting like a know-it-all when you are not, isn't.

Please refrain from being ignorant and condescending to regulars on the forum who have taken time out of their day to try and help an uneducated prick who wants to buy a garbage PSU, open box mobo, and crossfire 5770's right away.

And if you could, please refrain from ever coming here again.


@amk09

Someone's having a bad day. Again with the pointless, offensive posts. I don't think I am anybody special, and if you READ my EDITS in my ignorantP, you would have noticed I have changed 3 components from the suggestions of others. Please read before you post...Tired of saying that..who are you to tell me where I should go. Begone, why continue the confrontation? I don't understand what you're trying to do.
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December 13, 2010 8:31:02 AM

@jmt3ebaotp

buddy who ever u r, just go with wat u wana buy since every single person here is fed up of telling u to buy certain things and u clearly dont wana. I know some users are a bit un-respectful in their replies but that's wat happen when situation like these occur.

You have already changed ur RAM and Monitor as i listed to and i know u wont change ur mind on the GPU and rest of stuff. In above posts u r asking users to read ur main post which u edited many times, nobody is gona read the top post again unless u leave an update post in the end to let users know u updated it.

There is no point in further posts. Plz some one tell moderator to close this thread for gud otherwise we r gona have loads of pointless replies.

PEACE !!
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December 13, 2010 11:38:54 AM

@mian

I will take any constructive criticism, but not pessimistic criticism with no informational value to me, the OP'er.

I have changed just about everything around, and I DID state my edits in my OP, please read before you post.

So now a mod should close my thread because someone got angry?

PEACE!
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December 13, 2010 11:40:47 AM

Best answer selected by jmt3ebaotp.
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December 13, 2010 1:26:31 PM

wow this guy is ignorant.... really, that PSU is crap! please just start a post in the PSU section and you will see what other people say about it, the 2 hd 5770s is a bad idea spend a little bit more and go for an hd 6870 then or go for the hd 6850, its always better to go for 1 decent card then 2 mediocre ones as it will be more FUTURE proof as you can add a second card later on, but just shrug off my advice and everybody elses as you KNOW everything....
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December 13, 2010 1:38:19 PM

So let me get this straight you expect people who were already participating to
re-read the first post over and over again? I can understand the edit for those who
may have just came into it. But nowhere in your later posts do you list the changes you made.

Also your extremely intellectually dishonest. You claim that you do not care for brand names and made it clear your opinion of them was that they are nothing but overpriced and tried to refute all criticism of the build.
Yet you made some drastic changes to your "flawless" build. I just love the comments on your changes too.

Quote:
Memory: Changed from 1333 @ 9 Timing > Gaming Memory 1600 @ 8 Timing and a better brand name, thus reliability.


Quote:
PSU: Changed from 700W "PoS" Sunbeam with > ? Efficiency > Raidmax 630W Reliable PSU with > 85% Efficiency Certified


Clearly you do care about known band quality and clearly you weren't too confident in your god awful choice of the PSU.
You even went on to change the 5770's you swore by as well. Yet through out all of this you remained arrogant.
I realize I was sort of a jerk but when a kid like you acts like this what do you expect? Trust me when I say your not
going to get far in life with that sort of attitude kid.
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December 13, 2010 1:54:43 PM

@exhail

Just lol, that's all.

@NuclearShadow

Seriously, you're still at this? I don't expect anybody to re-read anything, but if you care to comment critically on my build I would hope that you would at least check.

When did I say that they were nothing but overpriced? I never said that, ever. I said I want anything that is cheaper and better quality, and after I searched around after I received input from others, I changed alot of the components. So first you come here saying I don't want to listen to others, now I am being scolded for the same thing.

Btw, those 5770's are OUT OF STOCK as of right now, thanks.

I'm a kid? Seriously, dude, I don't want a lecture or for you to get sentimental over this. It's nothing, just let it go. I just want to focus on my build, please refrain from posting about something off-subject.

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December 13, 2010 2:00:20 PM

raidmax PSU also = crap! ONLY buy PSUs from silverstone, antec, xfx, seasonic, corsair, OCZ and some coolermaster PSUs, I didnt bother to re read your post either as it just pissed me off as you are so arrogant
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December 13, 2010 2:06:02 PM

my brother bought a raidmax PSU and it blew on him and it took his whole system with it, get a trusted brand of PSU please! and the open box motherboard thing isnt a very good idea either. I once bought an open box motherboard (as i thought i was being clever) and it was missing parts and it died on me in 6 months, I agree with everybody else here
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December 13, 2010 2:06:35 PM

@exhail

LOL Dude seriously man, are you serious??

RAIDMAX receives great reviews, I don't know what you're talking about. If the all-mighty PSU is that important, add a 1 yr. warranty for 7$ more. I'm not going to respond anymore, please just stop flaming.
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December 13, 2010 2:09:28 PM

1 year warranty is pathetic proper PSU brands offer 3, 5 and 7 year warranties as they sell proper products, I actually agree with Exhail
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December 13, 2010 2:10:23 PM

@gordon_81

Thanks for the info. It's been stated by many that RAIDMAX is very reliable, though, check out the reviews on newegg. I have also purchased an Open-Box CPU and MOBO combo, and they are in my system right now, working fine, 2 yrs. later. I do realize it's not 100% reliable, but the only bad product that has been sent to me was a brand new ASUS 5770.
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December 13, 2010 2:12:40 PM

get your crap PSU hopefully it will blow your system thats what you deserve for being such an arrogant bastard! honestly you are a hopeless case....
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December 13, 2010 2:17:03 PM

sir philus said:
get your crap PSU hopefully it will blow your system thats what you deserve for being such an arrogant bastard! honestly you are a hopeless case....


no need to be so aggressive dont attack the OP attack the idea :) .

OP i must say go with one of the brands that exhail suggested its a worthwhile investment as you can carry the PSU over to your future builds.
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December 13, 2010 2:47:50 PM

@gordon_81

I can understand completely if that is what someone else would get, I am sure they are more reliable and may have an extended longevity, but I am just focused on going as budget as possible, it's rough this christmas, I can afford to put a little faith into my build, ya know? Save a few bucks. :]
Thanks for the input.

So does anybody notice anything I am missing as I have speakers/keyboard/mouse/OS (Win-7 Ult. 64-bit) and multiples of all the required cords?

Also, do you all think this was a good choice for a GPU, I was going to get a different PSU/GPU combo with an ASUS OC'D GTX 460 768MB for a good bit cheaper, but from the BM's I have seen it doesn't have great SLI scalability on 1080p resolution and has ~2/3 the bandwidth/ROPs.
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December 13, 2010 2:51:42 PM

JMT3EBAOTP said:
@gordon_81

Thanks for the info. It's been stated by many that RAIDMAX is very reliable, though, check out the reviews on newegg. I have also purchased an Open-Box CPU and MOBO combo, and they are in my system right now, working fine, 2 yrs. later. I do realize it's not 100% reliable, but the only bad product that has been sent to me was a brand new ASUS 5770.



Consumer reviews on Newegg aren't to be trusted. Anyone can write a review put that their tech knowledge is
high. While no doubt they are well meaning it doesn't give it any credibility in the end. I would rather take the
advice of a single person here that has shown knowledge on the subject than one thousand random reviewers
on Newegg. Although I do not agree with your choice of PSU I would at-least credit that its a improvement over
the previous selected.


Quote:
If the all-mighty PSU is that important, add a 1 yr. warranty for 7$


Great so you can get a replacement PSU if it happens to blow and take your entire rig with it.
I'm sure you will be in a big hurry to slap it right into a new rig after right? :pfff: 

Quote:
I'm not going to respond anymore, please just stop flaming.


If your not a troll then I seriously have lost a tad bit more faith in humanity.
So after all this arrogance, ignorance, and intellectual dishonesty, after
your "flawless" build was ripped apart and your ignorance shown your
simply going to plug your ears and walk away. I don't suppose your
part of answers in genesis or the discovery institute? If not you would fit right in.

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December 13, 2010 3:10:17 PM

@NuclearShadow

Bravo, my friend, well tethered soliloquy..Put a little bit too much thought into that post. You made it sentimental. After my arrogance, ignorance, and intellectual dishonestly, you steadily reveal your inner trappings by responding negatively to my thread as if it is the bane of your soul. Oh, cool, he threw in some stuff about religion, that's hip, fresh and relevant. Just let it go, I am responding to anybody else, I meant I'm not going to respond to anyone flaming.

That PSU has > 85% Efficiency. Again show me a link or a review stating that they are all horrible.
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