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Buying new GPU, ~60-70$ budget

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October 15, 2010 9:14:08 PM

Hello guys !

About 2 months ago, my GPU died and after gathering the money, I want to buy a new one.

Currently I got:

CPU: Intel P4 2.4 GHZ (Prescot)
MB: Asrock P4VM900
RAM: 768 DDR1 (256+512, so 2x DIMM's)
HDD: WD AAKS 500 GB
GPU: ON-BOARD
DVDRW: ASUS
PSU: Deluxe 450 W (more info on this ) - the PSU is 2 years+ old

The GPU must work at 100% capacity with what I have, because I will not upgrade anything for ~1 year I think...
Oh and, last and not least, should I wait for the new 6k to come?. I think the prices might fall and things might change, I think

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a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2010 9:17:47 PM

The longer you wait the better really as the prices will always drop, very much so when the 6xxx series comes out.

Whats the PC going to be used for and are you just looking for ATI based boards or would consider either?
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2010 9:38:56 PM

One advice - don't waste your money on this old rig!!

Don't take me wrong, your PC is very old, still runs DDR1 memory and a P4 CPU. Plus the old VIA chipsets with PCIe 1.0 had problems with the PCIe 2.0 standard. (any newer card has PCIe 2.0 interface)
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October 15, 2010 11:00:46 PM

reccy said:
The longer you wait the better really as the prices will always drop, very much so when the 6xxx series comes out.

Whats the PC going to be used for and are you just looking for ATI based boards or would consider either?


The PC is used for watching films, surfing net, playing an MMO or older games, using it for my university in programming and stuff (Java/C++/PHP/HTML/CSS - with this I will work this year), anything that it can be used for.
I don't mind even Nvidia, as long as it will be best bang for the buck for my system and will enter in my budget. My GPU that died was an Gygabite 7300 GS 256/64 and sadly, today when I de-connected it from my PC, it looked brand new, even after 2.5 years...

Must mention a funny thing, that the warranty ended exactly 6 months ago :D 


unknown_13 said:
One advice - don't waste your money on this old rig!!

Don't take me wrong, your PC is very old, still runs DDR1 memory and a P4 CPU. Plus the old VIA chipsets with PCIe 1.0 had problems with the PCIe 2.0 standard. (any newer card has PCIe 2.0 interface)


Sadly, I don't have money to buy new rig, else I would consider that option. This card, will run for aprox 1 year, till then, I will (hopefully) manage to get the money for new one (damn financial crysis).

I desperately need a new GPU, as the on-board one, even when watching films with low rez, I have slow-downs + other nasty stuffs.

If you got some solution to make money for new rig in few months, then pls tell it to me :p 
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2010 12:48:21 AM

Where do you live, maybe we can find something cheap in there.
October 16, 2010 6:41:36 AM

I live in Romania, and if anyone is wondering the prices here:

HIS HD 4650 512/128 - ~60$
PowerCooler HD 5550 512/128 - ~80$
Saphire HD 5770 512/128 - 193$
Saphire HD 5850 51024/256 - 388$

Gainward GTS 220 512/256 - ~75$
Leadtek GTS 250 1024/128 - 182$
EVGA GTX 460 768/192 - ~233$

Corsair CMPSU-400CX - ~65$

These are the minimum prices for each card category. The prices vary with 1-5$, depending from where you buy. These prices were taken from http://www.emag.ro/ and converted into $. The magazine is the biggest from my country when it comes to PC stuff.

If more information is needed, pls tell me !




a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2010 8:46:27 AM

dedantemon said:
I live in Romania, and if anyone is wondering the prices here:

HIS HD 4650 512/128 - ~60$
PowerCooler HD 5550 512/128 - ~80$
Saphire HD 5770 512/128 - 193$
Saphire HD 5850 51024/256 - 388$

Gainward GTS 220 512/256 - ~75$
Leadtek GTS 250 1024/128 - 182$
EVGA GTX 460 768/192 - ~233$

Corsair CMPSU-400CX - ~65$

These are the minimum prices for each card category. The prices vary with 1-5$, depending from where you buy. These prices were taken from http://www.emag.ro/ and converted into $. The magazine is the biggest from my country when it comes to PC stuff.

If more information is needed, pls tell me !


Well i'd tell you to get the 5550, although even this card will be bottlenecked severely by the P4. Anything else would be a complete waste of money.

That Corsair PSU will handle the 5550 easily.
October 16, 2010 8:57:35 AM

I don't have money for new PSU, that is why I told my old PSU :p 

The HD 5550, will work good on my PSU?

Also, I heard something about hybrid CF or something, where you can use 2 different cards to gain more power, so can I use this GPU on the new PC, like after 1 year?

waiting for eagerly for the reply :) 
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2010 9:19:42 AM

dedantemon said:
I don't have money for new PSU, that is why I told my old PSU :p 

The HD 5550, will work good on my PSU?

Also, I heard something about hybrid CF or something, where you can use 2 different cards to gain more power, so can I use this GPU on the new PC, like after 1 year?

waiting for eagerly for the reply :) 


Well Delux PSU's are Po$, i wouldn't take my chances on it.

For hybrid Xfire you gotta have an AMD mobo with an integrated GPU that supports Hybrid Xfire. The integrated and the discrete GPU don't work together to give more power. To save energy, it uses the integrated GPU on light tasks that don't require much graphics power (surfing, working in Excel, Word etc.), and when playing games or working in Photoshop, 3DS Max, then the discrete GPU fires up.
October 16, 2010 9:54:37 AM

Well, is there a tool or something to test my PSU's current W's, the A's on 12v rail and other stuffs? So I can know if the new GPU will work on it. My max money atm is 100$, from witch I need to buy the GPU and I would have wanted that PSU as it is a jewel, but, as you can see, it doesn't fit in my budget.

The HD 5550 eats 39 W http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-hd-5550-card-630.html and 4650 48 W http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-hd-5550-card-630.html. These are the producer's specificaitons.

Also, do I need the HD 5550, or a 4650 would be better? You said the HD 5550 will kinda bottlenek, meaning it won't work at full capacity, so I was thinking the 4650 will work at 100%, or close to it.

Do I need the features of the HD 5550 oppose to 4650? I mention again, this GPU will say bb after 1 year, so doesn't matter how good it is as long as it won't work at 100%.

Thx for the explanation of hybrid CF :) 
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2010 10:34:35 AM

dedantemon said:
Well, is there a tool or something to test my PSU's current W's, the A's on 12v rail and other stuffs? So I can know if the new GPU will work on it. My max money atm is 100$, from witch I need to buy the GPU and I would have wanted that PSU as it is a jewel, but, as you can see, it doesn't fit in my budget.

The HD 5550 eats 39 W http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-hd-5550-card-630.html and 4650 48 W http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-hd-5550-card-630.html. These are the producer's specificaitons.

Also, do I need the HD 5550, or a 4650 would be better? You said the HD 5550 will kinda bottlenek, meaning it won't work at full capacity, so I was thinking the 4650 will work at 100%, or close to it.

Do I need the features of the HD 5550 oppose to 4650? I mention again, this GPU will say bb after 1 year, so doesn't matter how good it is as long as it won't work at 100%.

Thx for the explanation of hybrid CF :) 


HD 4650 is 55nm, HD 5550 is 40nm, so 5550 uses less power, dispatches less heat, and i think that it's somewhat faster.

About the bottleneck, either card won't show the full power as long as you use the P4.
Oh, i forgot, get the 5550 PCIe 2.0 version, not PCIe 2.1.

EDIT: Well that Delux PSU will be "OK", just make sure that you replace it when you build your new PC.
October 16, 2010 10:59:29 AM

Yes, I see, so power-wise and noise-wise, the 5550 will be better.

I can't seem to find 2.0 version, only 2.1. Why is so important to get the 2.0 version?

Yeah, ofc I will replace it. I only need it to run for 1 year more *hopes*.
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2010 11:30:58 AM

dedantemon said:
Yes, I see, so power-wise and noise-wise, the 5550 will be better.

I can't seem to find 2.0 version, only 2.1. Why is so important to get the 2.0 version?

Yeah, ofc I will replace it. I only need it to run for 1 year more *hopes*.


You need PCIe 2.0 version 'cause your mobo has a PCIe 1.0 slot, and PCIe 2.1 won't work.
October 16, 2010 4:19:10 PM



Thank you for the help. I visited before those threads, but I wanted to come here, as there are much more ppl, so the change to get a better answer is here.

After looking a bit, I have found:, with PCI-E 2.0, but it seems not available atm, but I msg'ed the store and waiting for an answer.

unknown_13 said:
You need PCIe 2.0 version 'cause your mobo has a PCIe 1.0 slot, and PCIe 2.1 won't work.


I see, so 2.1 won't work on my 2.0, sadly :F

But, luckly I found a card (look up). So after long debate, the 5550 would be the one, but I need to wait for the 6k and see if the prices will go down.

Can you aprox the date when the price drop will be? Or anyone that has a guess...
October 16, 2010 6:55:59 PM

4670....hmmm, it has aprox same price as the 5550, but I don't think it is better + that it sucks more W's.

Maybe other guys can tell their opinion on this?
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2010 7:18:01 PM

The 4670 is much better. It consumes 69 watts - that's 5.75A on the 12V rail.
October 16, 2010 7:43:05 PM

mosox said:
The 4670 is much better. It consumes 69 watts - that's 5.75A on the 12V rail.


Hmm, here it says 59 (still 20 more than 5550) http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-hd-4670-pci-e-card-579....
It is 20 more W's than 5550. You think the 4670 will work at 100% capacity if it is better than the 5550, where the 5550 won't work at 100%?:F

I am kinda confused...

Well, waiting for more opinions. Thank you for the help :) 
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2010 8:21:19 PM

dedantemon said:
Hmm, here it says 59 (still 20 more than 5550) http://www.gpureview.com/radeon-hd-4670-pci-e-card-579....
It is 20 more W's than 5550. You think the 4670 will work at 100% capacity if it is better than the 5550, where the 5550 won't work at 100%?:F

I am kinda confused...

Well, waiting for more opinions. Thank you for the help :) 


Dude, any card from 2008 to present day will be bottlenecked severely be the P4.
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2010 4:50:31 AM

Yep, I was wrong, it's 59 not 69. There's no point in getting a bad card just because the CPU isn't that great, you can reuse the card in a new system.

LE This one is better and has a low consumption.
http://www.price.ro/preturi_sapphire_radeon_hd5570_512m...

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2366765,00.a...

The card HD5570 DDR3 should be equal to the HD4670, the next card is the HD5570 DDR5
http://www.price.ro/preturi_sapphire_radeon_hd5570_1gb_...
a c 376 U Graphics card
October 17, 2010 5:42:54 AM

Just get the HD4650, preferably a DDR3 version if you can find it(unlikely but take a look.) It should be fine on that psu and anything more is overkill.
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2010 7:28:12 AM

Every single video card is bottlenecked by every single CPU except for the Intel Core i7-975 Extreme Edition. The proof is that when you test any video card on that CPU you get higher FPS compared to any other CPU.
October 17, 2010 8:13:52 AM

mosox said:
Yep, I was wrong, it's 59 not 69. There's no point in getting a bad card just because the CPU isn't that great, you can reuse the card in a new system.

LE This one is better and has a low consumption.
http://www.price.ro/preturi_sapphire_radeon_hd5570_512m...

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2366765,00.a...

The card HD5570 DDR3 should be equal to the HD4670, the next card is the HD5570 DDR5
http://www.price.ro/preturi_sapphire_radeon_hd5570_1gb_...


Currently, there is 4650 (DDR3 edition) - 5550 - 5570(2.0 PCI-E slot) - 4670

From these cards, I would want the 4670, because I can use the card in a new system, like you said. Didn't though about it :p 

Now, the question is, witch producer? I want it to be cool & silent as my former 7300 GS, didn't had fan, it had passive cooling :) 


jyjjy said:
Just get the HD4650, preferably a DDR3 version if you can find it(unlikely but take a look.) It should be fine on that psu and anything more is overkill.


I found that but the store doesn't have it now. Maybe they are preparing to offer them when 6k is out? Anyway, I am seeing GTX 460 promotions with very low prices xD


mosox said:
Every single video card is bottlenecked by every single CPU except for the Intel Core i7-975 Extreme Edition. The proof is that when you test any video card on that CPU you get higher FPS compared to any other CPU.


Interesting. Then why over-clocking a GPU gives you more FPS if the card, even on stock speeds, is bottlenecked by the CPU?
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2010 8:39:19 AM

No, your main problem is the single core but that's the way it is.

5570 DDR5 - best one but too expensive for your budget.

5570 DDR3 = HD4670 - get the 5570 for the lower power consumption

4650, 5550 - weakest.


Sapphire's good
http://www.price.ro/preturi_sapphire_radeon_hd5570_512m...

On price.ro and on many sites it says in the title that it is DDR5 but it's DDR3 (look in the specifications), the DDR5 is more expensive.

That one is the DDR5, cheapest one is 349
http://www.price.ro/preturi_sapphire_radeon_hd5570_1gb_...



October 20, 2010 7:30:48 PM

Have been looking on various tests and stuff, and searched, and I cam across with these 2 cards:

http://www.emag.ro/placi_video/placa-video-xfx-ati-rade...
http://www.emag.ro/placi_video/placa-video-asus-nvidia-...

The price of the GT240 is just a bit higher, and within my budget, but I get like x2 the FPS with it, from the tests shown on different benchmarks. Also it is on PCI-e 2.0, both are, so compatible.

The XFX looks very good, must say, but I will go for the performance rather than looks :p 

The GT240 uses 70 W, from what I saw. What you say, it is compatible & good to buy?
a b U Graphics card
October 20, 2010 8:04:09 PM

Don't confuse the 240 GDDR5 with the 240 GDDR3, there's a big difference.
October 20, 2010 8:05:24 PM

I just saw the tests and such, and the diff is not that big. I saw a max of 5 FPS, witch it isn't much and it still performs much more better than 4650 or 5550. I am waiting for more opinions :) 

Thx for your input ^^
a b U Graphics card
October 20, 2010 9:31:46 PM

Yes the GT240 is a good card and doesn't require additional power cable. It's 40nm so it's cool and doesn't use much power. It's equal to the old 9600GT in terms of performance.
October 20, 2010 9:46:03 PM

If you guys want some nice info to lol about, here how it is:

The HD 5570 GDDR5 http://www.emag.ro/placi_video/placa-video-sapphire-ati... costs about ~3$ more than the GT240 I posted, buuut (there is a but), it has a tiny number somewhere, and that is the PCI-E 2.1.

I gathered more info, and the 2.1 should work on the 1.0, but sometimes, there are some chases where it doesn't. To test this, I need to get my PC chase to the shop and test it there. The transportation (the shop is in other town) will cost ~10$ and the testing also ~10$, meaning +20$+3$ diff between the cards, means 23$ for the change :) 

So yes, have a good lol'ing on this :p 
October 21, 2010 9:40:32 AM

Best place is to buy from eMAG :) 

I will make the command ^_^
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a b U Graphics card
October 21, 2010 9:54:29 AM

The cards below are great cards in your price range


Nvidia Geforce GTS 250
Ati Radeon 5770
Ati raden 5750

In performance the 5770 comes first then the GTS 250 the 5770 and the gts 250 are competetors though.
a b U Graphics card
October 21, 2010 9:58:26 AM

Quote:
The cards below are great cards in your price range


Nvidia Geforce GTS 250
Ati Radeon 5770
Ati raden 5750

In performance the 5770 comes first then the GTS 250 the 5770 and the gts 250 are competetors though.


GTS250 is equal to the 5750, 5770 is equal to the old GTX260 core 216.
November 1, 2010 8:14:47 PM

Ok guys, got the GPU 1 week ago, tested it, and it works very good :) 

Gainward GT 240 512 DDR/128 bits.

Thank you all for the support ^_^.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2010 8:42:42 PM

Great, you couldn't do better in your budget. :) 
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