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Superclocked GTS250 Vs. GTS450 | Performance | With benchmarks

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Anonymous
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October 16, 2010 2:33:01 AM

These tests were used we cards with the following clocks:

Nvidia Geforce GTS 450 @ 783 Core clock, 1566 Shader clock, 1804 Memory clock | This was at all stock and is a Nvidia manfactured card.
inno3D Nvidia Geforce GTS250 SC Edition @ 800 Core clock, 1890 Shader clock, 1000 Memory clock


So I brought my GTS250 to my friends house he has GTS450 at stock. We used the same computer to test these. Here were the results:

Farcrys 2 Ultra high quality, No AA No AF:

inno3D Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 SC 1680x1050: 49.2 Fps
Nvidia Geforce GTS 450 1680X1050: 45.7 Fps


Left 4 Dead Very high details, No AA, No AF

inno3D Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 SC 1680x1050: 98.6 Fps
Nvidia Geforce GTS 450 1680X1050: 93.4 Fps


Call of duty World at War Highest details, No AA, No AF

inno3D Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 SC 1680X1050: 86.7 Fps
Nvidia Geforce GTS 450 1680X1050: 82.3 Fps


Counter strike Source Stress Test Max settings

inno3D Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 SC 1680X1050: 141.7 Fps
Nvidia Geforce GTS 450 1680X1050: 140.9 Fps


You decide which one think has better performance but from what these benchmarks show. GTS250 is better.






October 16, 2010 2:33:32 AM

And this is needed?

Why?
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Anonymous
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October 16, 2010 2:36:49 AM

Randomacts said:
And this is needed?

Why?


Well, Im just sharing a comparision?
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October 16, 2010 2:47:51 AM

Just remember that while the 250 may perform a little bit better, it can't perform DX11 only features. It will likely not perform better in DX11, even with the DX11 only features off.
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October 16, 2010 2:51:00 AM

Screenshots with gpuz in them or it didn't happen. lol
So in the past 30 hours, you bricked one 250 ? Brought your whole computer to the shop and they put in a eco 250, you then exchanged that for a SC 250, flashed that bios. Now you removed your card and brought it to a friends house who happens to have a gts 450.
I'm piecing together all the threads you have posted the last few days. :) 
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Anonymous
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October 16, 2010 3:03:17 AM

GTS250 SC:



I cant get the GTS 450 GPU-Z, maybe tommorow im going to my friends place tommorow.

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Anonymous
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October 16, 2010 3:07:24 AM

More proof?



I might try to find a GPU-Z photo of a GTS 450 that is nvidia manafactured.
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October 16, 2010 3:29:14 AM

Have you tried testing the gts250's tesselation performance?.....oh wait, it cant do that! So it is not "BETTER". Anyone in their right mind would buy the gts450 over the 250. for the sake of a couple fps less I'd rather have the newer/lower power useage technology any day. Your also using a stock gts450 versus an overclocked gts250. The gts450 can be pushed to much higher speeds.
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October 16, 2010 4:10:44 AM

Hmmm
So, DX11 is that important?
DirectX 11 by itself is not going be the defining reason to buy a new GPU
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/200909161403...

Most games are still DX9/10

If the OP plays those games, then it comes down to perf in the games he plays
DX11 is important, it just shows sometimes perf doesnt jump from gen to gen at certain segments in a line up, as seen here, tho of course the 450 has DX11, plus other things as well
Its nice to know your purchase is hgolding up sometimes, as many, me being one, has gone cutting edge, only to see my investment fall behind only too quick
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Anonymous
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October 16, 2010 6:39:53 AM

Even when DX11 Games come out I can simply just set it to dx10 mode, and play them, and I dont care about DX11 because by the time DX11 Games are all over the market Ill most likely upgrade. Im just showing how Nvidia's GTS450 isnt really a upgrade for from the gts250 Yes the GTS450 has dx11 and gts 250 doesnt but, really? They could of atleast gave the gts450 some sort of performance boost.
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October 16, 2010 6:42:55 AM

Quote:
Even when DX11 Games come out I can simply just set it to dx10 mode, and play them, and I dont care about DX11 because by the time DX11 Games are all over the market Ill most likely upgrade. Im just showing how Nvidia's GTS450 isnt really a upgrade for from the gts250 Yes the GTS450 has dx11 and gts 250 doesnt but, really? They could of atleast gave the gts450 some sort of performance boost.


That's what the 460, 470 and 480's are for.
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October 16, 2010 10:28:03 PM

well, yeah, if you already have a gts250, then this is not an upgrade, you would be looking at the gtx460. But if buying a new, stock clocked card, for $20 more, get the gts450. Once overclocked its quite a bit faster than the OC'd gts250 as it can overclock much further. Compare them at stock clocks and overall the 450 is faster. Add to that dx11 support, lower power consumption and its a better card overall.
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October 16, 2010 10:53:21 PM

Quote:
Even when DX11 Games come out I can simply just set it to dx10 mode, and play them, and I dont care about DX11 because by the time DX11 Games are all over the market Ill most likely upgrade. Im just showing how Nvidia's GTS450 isnt really a upgrade for from the gts250 Yes the GTS450 has dx11 and gts 250 doesnt but, really? They could of atleast gave the gts450 some sort of performance boost.

The Nvidia made card is also one of the lowest clocked 450's out there as others have said, try turning the clock speed up to about the 900 mhz region and run the tests again.
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 12:28:50 AM

Anyways if you guys are reading this and you have a GTS 250, and thinking of upgrading dont buy GTS 450.
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October 17, 2010 1:15:50 AM

Randomacts said:
And this is needed?

Why?


Because the thread starter didn't get bribed by Nvidia. Can you say that about the review sites, for a fact?
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October 17, 2010 1:18:42 AM

No wonder Nvidia rebranded over and over, this is what happens when they try to make new chips.

Fermi is a joke of a series. More shaders, more heat, less performance. It's incredible how they could get everything wrong.
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October 17, 2010 1:19:04 AM

eyefinity said:
Because the thread starter didn't get bribed by Nvidia. Can you say that about the review sites, for a fact?


THG does not and if you say otherwise then you may be banned for slander. ;) 
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October 17, 2010 1:20:45 AM

I know THG were one of the few who told it like it was.
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October 17, 2010 1:24:58 AM

Now now, fizzle down. How do we know he isnt bribed by AMD? Now, i HIGHLY doubt that, but just showing, anybody can throw around meaningless slander. Anyway, interesting results, but you should run them also with the GTS 250 and GTS 450 both at max OC, as well as temps and power consumption if you can. Maybe throw the 5770 in there for kicks and a proper review. But pretty good review, but its not fair to compare overclocked to stock, or not give temps and the such.
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October 17, 2010 1:32:02 AM

The OP's results do tally up with THG's results and as the GTS450 he's using is clocked at the same that the one THG used that's not much of a surprise really, however most of the GTS 450's on sale are clocked at over 800mhz rather than 783mhz.
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October 17, 2010 1:49:59 AM

Mousemonkey said:
The OP's results do tally up with THG's results and as the GTS450 he's using is clocked at the same that the one THG used that's not much of a surprise really, however most of the GTS 450's on sale are clocked at over 800mhz rather than 783mhz.


Ya, I also looked up the THG benchmarks, and it's no different really. There is nothing wrong with the 250 out performing a 450. If more performance is what you are looking for, they have options for that too.
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October 17, 2010 1:55:02 AM

bystander said:
Ya, I also looked up the THG benchmarks, and it's no different really. There is nothing wrong with the 250 out performing a 450. If more performance is what you are looking for, they have options for that too.

Clocked at 925mhz a GTS450 is a match for the 5850 in an ATi title. [:mousemonkey]
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October 17, 2010 1:58:08 AM

The gts 250 is o/c at 800. Thats fact 1.
The comments made by eye, More shaders, more heat, less performance. It's incredible how they could get everything wrong.

are the same verbatim what was cited for 5770/4870.

If someone owns a gts 250, the gts 450 is not a upgrade. The 170 dollar gtx 460~768 is a huge upgrade at a reasonable bump in cost.

Something amd is trying to mirror right now.
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 2:03:22 AM

Yep, that about neck to neck. Anyways I obviously dont get payed by anyone to do some benchmarking. I just do it for the sake of it. and also because of curiosity. Anyways, I had no idea that they get bribed o.0
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 2:18:14 AM

^+1 I cant wait till tommorow, Im gunna get Fallout New Vegas hopefully, i wanna see how well it runs on my gts 250. :p 
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October 17, 2010 2:27:14 AM

Remember, if it isnt broke, dont fix it
khalid1 sounds happy
I think whats upsetting to some is the fact that this range hasnt changed much in 3+ gens
Hopefully this will soon change
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October 17, 2010 2:34:03 AM

I'm glad the op can run his 250 at 800, I think he was a little 'crazy' flashing it, epically with his recent experiences. That gpu is a legend.
What is there to say. Ok if at your local store in XXXX part of the world, the gts 450 can't be had yet for the same kind of money, then its a good gaming card.
Right now in a USA etailer your going to pay more for the 250 because of inventory and it can't be recommended.
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 2:45:35 AM

Im suprised that the G92 Chips have gone such a far way, even in todays gaming. The G92 Chip was released a few years ago but has enough power to compete with todays graphics cards... G92 is truly legend. Nuff said.
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October 17, 2010 2:45:45 AM

bystander said:
For starters, what does this have to do with what I said? And OC'ed, lower end stuff does tend to perform closer to higher end stuff.


It was the bit about "If more performance is what you are looking for", then just up the clock speed. That's all
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 3:10:12 AM

Agreed ^
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 9:01:35 AM

Yeh, for some reason xD
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October 17, 2010 9:19:21 AM

take it easy or the thread will be history...
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 10:08:12 AM

Cmon guys, dont fight, be mature.
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 10:12:38 AM

Also, I have reached a better clock instead of 800/1890/1000 i reached 795/1910/1015, as you can see from my new clocks 5mhz less on core but 20mhz more on shader clock and 15mhz more on memory clock.



Also focus on the default clock in the picture because in gpu-z it always reads wrong clocks on gpu clock but on the default gpu clock correct.
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Anonymous
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October 17, 2010 10:40:40 AM

It does? Also what do you think about my overclock above?
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October 17, 2010 11:20:47 AM

anybody who's suggesting a 450 because of its dx11 features is a genius! <sarcasm>.

anywho, the performance difference compared to the gts250 might be fixed with future driver updates. and because it's nvidia, there are 2 available scenarios:

1. boost 450 perf
2. driver cripple the 250 (or worse, driver-murder it).
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October 17, 2010 1:05:23 PM

The GTS 450 is the better card overall, if people buy a $160 5770 over a $180 4890 that was more powerful, id imagine they wanted DX11, and this is no different. Also lower temps, possible better overclocking, and give time for drivers to mature. In any event, the only thing i dont really like is how, well average this card is. Its on par with a previous generation card for the same or lower price, and its close to, but IMO, inferior to the 5770 on a price/performance standpoint. This all doesnt mean its a bad card, i was just hoping it could put some distance between the past gen and what might as well be past gen from AMD given the time distance. Fairly mediocre, and this shows it. However the GTS 450 IS the better card than the GTS 250, unless you really dont want DX11, tesselation, and you can find a GTS 250 for about $100.
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October 17, 2010 1:57:07 PM

DiRT 2 is also an ATi game, but that isnt saying much considering it has DX11, in which Nvidia wins. So just because its a "ATi Game" or a "Nvidia Game" doesnt always mean much.
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October 17, 2010 2:00:44 PM

ares1214 said:
DiRT 2 is also an ATi game, but that isnt saying much considering it has DX11, in which Nvidia wins. So just because its a "ATi Game" or a "Nvidia Game" doesnt always mean much.

Well it's the excuse that's constantly used by some with the "It's a TWIMTBP" title or "Of course Nvidia is better in Far Cry 2 and Just Cause 2 because they are Nvidia games" so I think it is worth pointing out.
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October 17, 2010 2:21:36 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Well it's the excuse that's constantly used by some with the "It's a TWIMTBP" title or "Of course Nvidia is better in Far Cry 2 and Just Cause 2 because they are Nvidia games" so I think it is worth pointing out.


Well Far Cry 2 is a very optimised Nvidia game, hence a GTS 450 probably beating a 5830. Some games just heavily favor 1 series or even company over the other, Far Cry 2 is one for Nvidia, and i believe L4D favors ATi.
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October 17, 2010 2:31:21 PM

ares1214 said:
Well Far Cry 2 is a very optimised Nvidia game, hence a GTS 450 probably beating a 5830. Some games just heavily favor 1 series or even company over the other, Far Cry 2 is one for Nvidia, and i believe L4D favors ATi.

ATi are still smarting from not being allowed to use Nvidia's code in that Batman game and the exclusion from PhysX hasn't helped either. But as ATi's R.Huddy has publicly announced that most new games will be developed on ATi hardware it's soon to be a moot point anyway.
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October 17, 2010 2:36:08 PM

It will be interesting to see given the lead and the coding if ATi will finally decide to get their own Physx going, or even to make games less playable on Nvidia...
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October 17, 2010 2:37:06 PM

ares1214 said:
It will be interesting to see given the lead and the coding if ATi will finally decide to get their own Physx going, or even to make games less playable on Nvidia...

Indeed.
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October 17, 2010 2:39:07 PM

I agree, lol, no excuses. Though most games are in development for much longer than 6 months. I remember lots of arguing that game developers had Fermi for testing, the makers of Metro 2033 definitely had it, there should be no excuses for Nvidia, drivers should be fully optimized out of the gate, so on, so on. I guess we can now say that about AMD's new cards :) 
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October 17, 2010 2:43:16 PM

notty22 said:
I agree, lol, no excuses. Though most games are in development for much longer than 6 months. I remember lots of arguing that game developers had Fermi for testing, the makers of Metro 2033 definitely had it, there should be no excuses for Nvidia, drivers should be fully optimized out of the gate, so on, so on. I guess we can now say that about AMD's new cards :) 

Absolutely, their driver team (and everyone else and their dog) knew what the new cards nubers were going to be a couple of months back so the performance should be stellar straight out of the gate, none of this "they're on immature drivers" nonsense this time around.
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