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XFX 8800 GT Alpha dog vs. XFX 8800 GTS Alpha dog

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October 17, 2010 10:54:13 AM

I'd like to know which of these cards are better and by how much, I've been searching the internet but I haven't found any solid answers.Also I'm going to change my PSU too since I don't think my 300W will take them , and I'm thinking about something around 450W-500W with 28 amps on the 12V, should that suffice ? Thanks :) 
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October 17, 2010 11:05:47 AM

Why do you want 8800GT/GTS?
That's an old tech, you will better with newer card like GT240 or HD5670 (for 300W PSU). Or you can get HD5770 or GTX460 for higher PSU.
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October 17, 2010 11:14:09 AM

Well I found them at a very low price, and even if they are old they can still run new games pretty well right ? I mean I have the 8600GTS and it can run games pretty well...considering that there's a big difference between 8600GTS and XFX 8800GT/GTS ...
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October 17, 2010 11:16:23 AM

I mostly agree with Wa1 on this. I wouldn't bother getting an 8800GT/GTS. It is old tech. The GT240 is slower then the 8800GT however so skip that one. The 5670 is about as fast as the 8800GT so that one is ok. Rather then buy these old cards tell us your budget so we can pick a better one for you.
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October 17, 2010 11:51:09 AM

Well I searched ebay for the 240 GT and I found it at 83 dollars so I am considering buying it if you guys say it's better, but will it work with my pc ?
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October 17, 2010 12:07:48 PM

Also will the 5670 work on my pc ???
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a c 172 Î Nvidia
October 17, 2010 2:02:54 PM

Use the "Quick edit" function rather than making three posts in a row.
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a b Î Nvidia
October 17, 2010 2:09:49 PM

Are you in the US? It should be $83 or cheaper brand new.
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October 17, 2010 2:09:53 PM

the 8800GTS 512mb may be a bit older but its still viable and if he can get one for $80 I would take it over any of the cards mentioned.
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October 17, 2010 2:15:12 PM

Yeah I found it for 40 euros actually ...the 8800GTS Alpha dog 512mb G92... but if I get it I would have to change my PSU ...but I searched the internet to see if the 5670 (that has dx11) and the 240 GT work with my psu and they do...so is it worth getting the 8800GTS and changing the psu or getting the 5670 or 240 GT ?
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a b Î Nvidia
October 17, 2010 2:17:12 PM

a 300w will run the ATI 5670 & GT240 and if you don't want to upgrade the PSU I would stick with them.


you would need to upgrade your PSU for the 8800GTS but i recall reading "I'm going to change my PSU too"
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October 17, 2010 2:23:57 PM

ct1615 said:
a 300w will run the ATI 5670 & GT240 and if you don't want to upgrade the PSU I would stick with them.


you would need to upgrade your PSU for the 8800GTS but i recall reading "I'm going to change my PSU too"

Well because I was convinced that I would buy one of those two but now that I know about the 5670 and 240 and found them at a good price I might reconsider changing the PSU , but what are the differences in performance between them ?

And 4745454b I don't live in the us .
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a b Î Nvidia
October 17, 2010 3:35:47 PM

the 8800GT/9800GT is the same card, the 8800GTS 512mb would be similar to the ATI 4770 in performance.

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October 17, 2010 3:47:31 PM

Hmm I get it, very tempting the 8800gts, I'd totally buy it.
Ok so let's consider I have 70 euros budget...the 8800GTS I saw costs 40 euros...but it is used, with 30 euros remaining I could buy a new PSU. The HD5670 I saw it at 85 euros but it's new...plus It could work with my PSu and has DX11 . What would you get ?
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October 17, 2010 4:00:03 PM

8800GTS is surely faster than HD5670 but it's a used one, right?
I would still suggest you to get HD5670 and you won't have to upgrade your PSU...
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October 17, 2010 4:07:00 PM

revan7 said:
Hmm I get it, very tempting the 8800gts, I'd totally buy it.
Ok so let's consider I have 70 euros budget...the 8800GTS I saw costs 40 euros...but it is used, with 30 euros remaining I could buy a new PSU. The HD5670 I saw it at 85 euros but it's new...plus It could work with my PSu and has DX11 . What would you get ?


i would get a solid 450w+ PSU then start saving for a new card
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October 17, 2010 4:07:38 PM

And how will the HD5670 perform in games ? Let's say Crysis ?
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October 17, 2010 5:00:30 PM

At what resolution? Would the details be maxed?

I think I like the idea of getting a good PSU, and then buying a "new" card. Might take you awhile, but at least you won't end up with a 3 yr old card.
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October 17, 2010 5:07:00 PM

4745454b said:
At what resolution? Would the details be maxed?

I think I like the idea of getting a good PSU, and then buying a "new" card. Might take you awhile, but at least you won't end up with a 3 yr old card.

Let's say crysis at 1024x768 with all high ?
EDIT:With no AA...
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October 18, 2010 12:42:52 AM

My guess is you won't be able to max it out, but it should do a good job at that low res.
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October 18, 2010 3:52:48 PM

Well we'll see , I certainly am going to buy a new PSU. But let's say I'll put the 8800GTS on this one how long do you think it'll last ? I've had my 8600 GTS until now and it has never given me any problems ,they told me the 8600 GTS needs 22 amps, I've even attached the pc to my television with HDMI cable and I've never had problems with it.
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a b Î Nvidia
October 19, 2010 12:37:36 AM

What PSU do you have exactly? Odds are we won't be able to find it online, but perhaps someone here does know. The 8600GTS doesn't need 22A.
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October 19, 2010 2:13:13 AM

Revan, get the 8800 GTS 512mb. It will be faster and you will end up with a better PSU. Even IF the 300w can theoretically power a 5670, doesn't mean it should.

What country do you live in? I'll help you pick one out.

Also, a single 8800 GTS 512 can run Crysis at high, with some very high, at the listed resolution, but then again I have a high end CPU. What CPU do you have?
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October 19, 2010 2:46:51 AM

AMW1011 said:
Revan, get the 8800 GTS 512mb. It will be faster and you will end up with a better PSU. Even IF the 300w can theoretically power a 5670, doesn't mean it should.

What country do you live in? I'll help you pick one out.

Also, a single 8800 GTS 512 can run Crysis at high, with some very high, at the listed resolution, but then again I have a high end CPU. What CPU do you have?


while I agree on the 8800GTS, as I stated above.

the 300w PSU powering an ATI 5670 is not a theory, its a fact. you may have an opinion on the card's power draw but its an incorrect one based on no facts

under 250w with an OC i7 CPU and 6GB of DDR3 RAM
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October 19, 2010 2:50:40 AM

Sure CT, but your assuming this is a newer 300W PSU that can output its power on the 12Vrail. Many years old PSUs might have a low 8-12A 12V rail which would be 96-144W of power that a modern system will use. I'm not sure I would say 100% that a 300W WILL power the 5670.
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October 19, 2010 4:04:59 AM

ct1615 said:
while I agree on the 8800GTS, as I stated above.

the 300w PSU powering an ATI 5670 is not a theory, its a fact. you may have an opinion on the card's power draw but its an incorrect one based on no facts

under 250w with an OC i7 CPU and 6GB of DDR3 RAM


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4745454b said:
Sure CT, but your assuming this is a newer 300W PSU that can output its power on the 12Vrail. Many years old PSUs might have a low 8-12A 12V rail which would be 96-144W of power that a modern system will use. I'm not sure I would say 100% that a 300W WILL power the 5670.


And

Your assuming that the 300w is a good quality one, which is almost certainly is not (HP PSUs suck).
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October 19, 2010 4:22:44 AM

AMW1011 said:
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Your assuming that the 300w is a good quality one, which is almost certainly is not (HP PSUs suck).



actually plenty of HP PSU run ATI 5670 as do DELL units. once again you have no facts to back up your incorrect opinion. this is what happens when you fail to understand what you are talking and simply post incorrect opinions.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/299165-33-hd5670-300w

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October 19, 2010 5:34:18 AM

Actually Dell PSUs are quite good, and HPs aren't that much worse. As I said, I'm more worried he's reusing some 300W PSU from the P4 days that has massive aging cap problems. And a 12V rail that was never designed to run a CPU and GPU. As long as its anything recent he'd probably be fine. Really depends on what he has.
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a b Î Nvidia
October 19, 2010 5:37:14 AM

I think Any 300W PSU is just enough to run a single HD5670, even if it's an old aging one...
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a b Î Nvidia
October 19, 2010 5:48:52 AM

As I tried pointing out earlier not all 300W PSUs are equal. Early P4 era models might be able to do less then 15A. This means your looking at 150W or less depending on how many Amps you have available. The 5670 might pull ~50-55W, but that leaves very little for the CPU. Factor in age, and you might not have enough. I'm not saying he can't do it, but I objected to whoever said it will run and he was 100% sure about it.
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October 19, 2010 12:00:37 PM

AMW1011 said:
Revan, get the 8800 GTS 512mb. It will be faster and you will end up with a better PSU. Even IF the 300w can theoretically power a 5670, doesn't mean it should.

What country do you live in? I'll help you pick one out.

Also, a single 8800 GTS 512 can run Crysis at high, with some very high, at the listed resolution, but then again I have a high end CPU. What CPU do you have?


I have a Q6600 :) 

4745454b said:
What PSU do you have exactly? Odds are we won't be able to find it online, but perhaps someone here does know. The 8600GTS doesn't need 22A.


I have a LiteOn 300W with 19A on the 12v rail ...there's also a -12v rail with 0.8 but I don't know what that means ... I tried to calculate the amps on my 12v rail using the watt/volt=I but I don't know exactly how many watts I have for my 12v rail....
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a b Î Nvidia
October 19, 2010 4:30:09 PM

if you have 19a on your 12v then you have 228w on that rail. more then enough for the ATI 5670.
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a b Î Nvidia
October 20, 2010 12:42:47 AM

There is also the formula of V * A = W. 12V * 19A = 228W (using CTs math here.)

If the 5670 draws ~60W, and the TDP of the Q6600 is around 100, then your using about 160W right there. Probably around 200W counting your mobo and drives. Cutting it close there, but you should be ok. I wouldn't go overclocking anything.
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October 20, 2010 12:59:36 AM

Q6600 is about 90w at load

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October 20, 2010 4:07:47 AM

http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_2_quad_q6600/

Quote:
One interesting point to note is that even though the Q6600 is essentially 2 x E6600, the TDP is not doubled, but rather sits at a comfortable 105W.


I'm going with worst case. This is a launch Q6600, the B3 and G0 would have a lower TDP.
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