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Ati Radeon HD 4850 Or 5670

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October 17, 2010 11:42:05 PM

Okay, im looking at 2 cards the 4850 and the 5670 first question whats better in performance not features, second whats better for an effective memory clock almost 2000 MHz or 1000 MHz (4 Gbps)?

and your own personal opionion on which card i should get

my reasons for a new card is for gaming, but not at huge resolutions, my native resolution is 1280x1024, some of the things i like more on the 5670 is it has Direct X 11, even though i dont have windows 7 just yet, and it doesnt require a 6 pin connector thats not a big deal anyways since i will be getting a 450Watt power supply

P.S Bonus question Lol is BFG a good/alright company for Power supplys?

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October 17, 2010 11:43:48 PM

BFG has solid PSU but they went out of business so there is no warranty with any BFG product you buy besides the stores return policy.

I personally would go with the ATI 4850, its a better card.
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October 18, 2010 12:11:56 AM

HD 4850 offer more performance than the HD 5670.

HD 4670 < HD 5670 < HD 4770 < HD 4850


BFG is liquidating itself because nVidia cut them off as a business partner (no longer selling them GPUs). Since that ended their primary source of revenue, they had no choice but to shut down.
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October 18, 2010 12:47:05 AM

but would you still suggest me getting a BFG PSU? and also would the 5670 be abled to max any game/ Mostly anygame at 1280x1024?
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October 18, 2010 12:49:29 AM

Mithness said:
but would you still suggest me getting a BFG PSU? and also would the 5670 be abled to max any game/ Mostly anygame at 1280x1024?


if you get the BFG for a good price, its a fine PSU. personally I would go with enermax, ocz, silverstone, xigmatek as more budget friendly brands

the ATI 5670 would be able to play most games at high settings at your resolution but it would not be able to max them out
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October 18, 2010 1:21:59 AM

oh, alright, so would the 4850 do it perfectly fine or should i pump it up to a 4870 or like a 5770? or what card would you recommend to max out most games at my native resolution?
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October 18, 2010 2:22:28 AM

is the system spec in your member config accurate? because you really need a lot of new things besides a PSU + GPU...like a new CPU, mobo,..RAM
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October 18, 2010 2:27:33 AM

oh god i know, lol im asking this for the future, the next thing im getting is an AMD athlon 64 x2 5800+ i dont need a new Mobo just yet, then im hopefully getting RAM at the same time, and then Christmas im gonna buy a new PSU, with my money i get and maybe my parents will get me a harddrive or something but not that high on the prioty list and then my birthday is like right after christmas which is when i plan on getting the 4850
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October 18, 2010 3:08:27 AM

The 4850 isn't a power hog and if you do get a quality psu then you will have nothing to worry about. As for the board and cpu every system will eventually get old and outdated at some point. I sometimes look over old posts ect and see very expensive system that were like $10k at introduction only to be dumpster dives 5 years later. Ram and a fast hard drive or a decent SSD will breath life into any system due to better write and read speeds. SSD really shine when it comes to random 4k read and write.
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October 18, 2010 3:11:44 AM

i know everything gets old my system is old im just looking to upgrade it so it can still game i will be getting a new computer evenutally and i dunno what ur talking about SSD, that a new harddrive or something? haha
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October 18, 2010 3:15:16 AM

SSD is like a really fast usb drive but it works with the same port as any modern hard drive. Plus they can take a beating. There is one video that kingston put up on youtube ware they put a torch to one of their drives yet it still worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9meBEWnROkk
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October 18, 2010 8:51:26 PM

wow thats really cool, but i might just get a western ditagal lol, but thats interesting haha
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October 18, 2010 10:22:55 PM

What motherboard are you using exactly?
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October 19, 2010 10:47:46 AM

uhh i em61sm/em61pm thats all it says in CPU-Z but ppl tell me its a modified foxxcon motherboard
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October 19, 2010 11:13:56 AM

Alright, while the board is AM2 unfortunately it is too old to handle AM2+/AM3 processors. Have you considered just getting a current processor and a motherboard to go with it instead of the 5800+? Usually there are combos on newegg for an Athlon II x3 + motherboard for $100-125. Much better/more recent architecture and they can usually unlock into a x4.
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October 19, 2010 11:29:03 AM

Mithness said:
Okay, im looking at 2 cards the 4850 and the 5670 first question whats better in performance not features, second whats better for an effective memory clock almost 2000 MHz or 1000 MHz (4 Gbps)?

and your own personal opionion on which card i should get

my reasons for a new card is for gaming, but not at huge resolutions, my native resolution is 1280x1024, some of the things i like more on the 5670 is it has Direct X 11, even though i dont have windows 7 just yet, and it doesnt require a 6 pin connector thats not a big deal anyways since i will be getting a 450Watt power supply

P.S Bonus question Lol is BFG a good/alright company for Power supplys?



Hi Mithness ..

First thing the gfx : the 4850 is a decent mid range card in gaming terms i still own one and it preforms great! .....as for the 5670 it is a low end card of the 5000 series it does not have the "8" prefix as the other cards like 4"8"50, 5"8"50 etc thus is not suited for serious gaming.. check this link for performance comparison... http://www.guruht.com/2010/06/msi-r5670-cyclone-1g-vs-h...

as you can see it gets a frame rate of 16 frames in crysis at a high res of 1920*1200 so at your res you will get at least +/-10 frames more....as for the 4850 you can see its only 2 ranks above its competitor "5670" at 20 frames with a 4 fps difference wich is considered
much as your game starts lagging under 20 fps..the oc version they used also gets 20 fps....but yeah whatever. 4 fps increase after overclocking is useless. -hope that gives you an idea :) 

as for the dx 11 issue that no important as only a few games support dx 11 and dx 10 -- its still in mojor development and dx 9 is still used in a variety of new titles, the new game mafia 2 has insane graphics detail and is direct x 9.

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Interestingly, Mafia II only includes support for DirectX 9. Despite all the talk behind DirectX 11, 2K Czech has played it safe and stuck with the tried and true DX9 rendering mode to push this game's impressive visuals. The Illusion engine was specifically written for Mafia II, with some saying it rivals the CryEngine 2 game engine (Crysis Warhead). That said, even the most meticulous of gamers have a hard time spotting a difference between Crysis running in the DX9 and DX10 modes.


---in order to appreciate dx 10 and 11 graphics you must have some thin more powerful than the 5670.....
---i suggest the 4850 vapor x its decently price and has good cooling..or if you have some extra bucks....and you still want dx 11 support the 5830 which gives any high end card a run for its price performance ratio. http://www.guruht.com/2010/07/gtx-460-vs-hd-5830-benchm...

check link..

q2:bfg is a good company to buy psu's from as is any other psu manufacturer its just about personal opinion. do your self a favour and check out the gigabyte odin psu's its decent and well priced. i own the odin gt 800 w and it rocks.


Good Luck Hope my info helps


Kind Regards

Xenophon






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October 19, 2010 7:03:22 PM

thank you xenophon i will surly get the 4850 or 4870 now. becuase i wont get it untill january so theirs bound to be a price drop

@jyjjy i really don't feel like getting a new motherboard since i just want a new processor the amd 5800+ will do me fine for the time being and when i need a new duel core/quad core processor i will just buy a new pc and transfer some of my hardware over if i have to
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October 20, 2010 8:07:12 AM

Sounds Great . the 4870 is still a monster of its caliber and worth every penny...

I agree with you on the processor as its is the second most important part for gaming...the most important is the Gpu the graphics card. As you said you can transfer your parts later on to a more powerful system..but an upgrade in the gfx area will be best suited at this moment...

enjoy and remember game till ye drop than crawl and game on..

cheers

Xeno
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October 20, 2010 7:05:14 PM

haha i like that slogan
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October 20, 2010 11:32:18 PM

MY PC is ZT Sysytems 7391Mi
Intel i7 Processor 870 (2.93GHz)
Sapphire Radeon 5670 1GB
Intel DH55TC motherboard
8GB DDR3RAM
sataII 1.5TB HDD
Windows 7 64bit Home Edition.

Bought the above PC primarily for running RealFlight G5 flight simulator. FS G5 ran ok in default resolution (1024x768) however i just upgraded to RF G5.50 which has some high definition airports. The card creates some visual stuttering so I'm getting a new PC with crossfire capability built around the Sapphire 5850 vapor-x. I don't consider the 5670 or 5770 as gaming cards. Besides i want to get into some serious gaming. From what I've read in reviews here the 4850 is faster than the 5770 but it uses a little more power.
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October 20, 2010 11:41:44 PM

You don't need a whole new system, just replace the video card. The HD5850 is not something to target for a new build anyway with the HD6850 and HD6870 launching on Friday.
Also the HD5770 is on par with the HD4870, not slower than the HD4850.
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October 21, 2010 12:02:45 AM

I need to replace the PC. The M/B is too small for anything larger than a 5770, not crossfire, etc.

It's a nice PC but not for gaming.
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According to Tom's reviews the 4870 is faster but doesn't have the eye candy the 5xxx card has.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446...

"...If you belong to that group and are looking at “Radeon HD 5700-series,” expecting a big step up in performance, even the 5770 is a disappointment. After all, if you own a 4870 or 4890 already, that card is faster in today’s games..."
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October 21, 2010 12:06:59 AM

That review was based on early drivers for the HD5770. If you look at current reviews you will see the HD5770 is on par with the HD4870.
Also your motherboard can't be too small for any card, it either has a PCIE slot or it doesn't
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October 21, 2010 12:27:46 AM

trust me the m/b and case are too small. I've spent a lot of time researching this. If I installed the Sapphire 5850 vapor-x (>10 1/2" in length power connector on end of card) I'd have to cut out 1/2 of the drive cage, relocate the HDD, buy special right angle data/power cables and not crossfire capable. The Sapphire card is very wide and takes up two card slots. For that matter my 5670 takes up two slots on the M/B.

A quick glance revealed reviews -Best Graphics Cards For The Money: October 2010 - that's where my link came from. it is good to know the 5770 is faster then the 4870
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October 21, 2010 4:45:14 AM

The case may be too small but the motherboard isn't. An Antec 300 is a quality case for $60 would be 10 to 15 times cheaper than building a whole new system and would make much more sense considering your current system is already high end and up to date.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That's just a suggestion. There are tons of other cases to choose from.

BTW the HD5770 isn't particularly faster than the HD4870, they are basically equivalent;

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Colorful/iGame_GTX_4...
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October 21, 2010 7:56:09 PM

If I read the chart correctly the 4870 512MB is the same, 64%, as the 5770 1GB. I wonder if the 4870 1GB is the same 64% as the 4870 512MB?

You make a good point re: the case/PSU upgrade. For probably max of $200.00 for quality case and bronze or gold modular PSU I could upgrade the PC to a single Sapphire 5850 1GB vapor-x card. The m/b is a uATX form factor which is very small I'll have to find a case that'll seat a uATX m/b. However, no crossfire and only one extra usable slot verus returning the PC for a full $900.00 refund then spending around $1,400 for a crossfire capable, USB3, SATA III, multiple extra slots and a single Sapphire 5850.

My PC is very quiet, silent actually, which is very important to me and the Vapor-X card is silent as well.

I dunno, by keeping the PC I'll save around $300,00 but lacking this week's latest technology, sata III, USB3.
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October 21, 2010 8:07:12 PM

Just purchase the card and any necessary additions such as psu or cooling. A wimpy athlon 5800x2 is good enough to limp on for a while till you can swap out the board and cpu for a later upgrade when prices come down or something that really blows your socks off and sucks your eyes into the back of their sockets comes out.
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October 21, 2010 8:09:44 PM



CORRECTION ALERT!

sorry I just realized that many of my posts are to the wrong thread.


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October 21, 2010 8:49:02 PM

mike1 said:
CORRECTION ALERT!

sorry I just realized that many of my posts are to the wrong thread.


:lol:  :pt1cable: 
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October 22, 2010 12:58:18 AM

bahhaha, nice dude...
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October 22, 2010 1:26:00 AM

mike1 said:
You make a good point re: the case/PSU upgrade. For probably max of $200.00 for quality case and bronze or gold modular PSU I could upgrade the PC to a single Sapphire 5850 1GB vapor-x card. The m/b is a uATX form factor which is very small I'll have to find a case that'll seat a uATX m/b. However, no crossfire and only one extra usable slot verus returning the PC for a full $900.00 refund then spending around $1,400 for a crossfire capable, USB3, SATA III, multiple extra slots and a single Sapphire 5850.

Like I said earlier I wouldn't be aiming for an HD5850. The HD6850/70 are due out tomorrow and look to be the way to go. Almost all ATX cases can take a microATX motherboard so that isn't something to worry about. Sata III is of little practical value and USB3 is a nice feature but USB2 is already pretty fast.
That said another option which I recommend highly is returning the system like you say you can and just building your own. They've really made it very easy to do so these days and you'll end up with a faster computer that is both cheaper and made only of the highest quality parts with the specifications of your choosing. Taking a quick look at the combos on newegg combos at the moment I came up with this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That's a lil over $800 and the only thing missing is the video card. It's looking like an HD6850 will cost around $200 and an HD6870 around $250, maybe slightly less. The former should be slightly weaker than the HD5850, the latter slightly more powerful and supposedly AMD has increased crossfire scaling on the new cards which is nice. Speaking of which the motherboard is crossfire capable for when the time comes to add another. The power supply is very high quality and can easily hand two of either of them, even with both cards and the processor highly overclocked should you want to do so(recommended.) The hard drive is the fastest you can buy for a reasonable price. If you have some extra money you could throw in a small solid state hard drive for the OS and apps to boost performance or a bluray burner if you are interested in such.
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October 23, 2010 12:04:22 AM

the sapphire 6850 appears to be not as long as the 5850 but I can't find any dimensions on it.
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October 23, 2010 1:05:06 AM

I think it is basically the same length. The cards use the same PCBs from the last series I believe. When the custom PCB designs come out some of them will probably be shorter but you are going to need a new case anyway so it doesn't really matter.
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October 23, 2010 1:16:49 AM

you're right, I'm hoping the 6850 might offer less inference.

I just read in Tom's 6800 article the 6850 is about 9 1/2" length
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October 23, 2010 1:18:29 AM

yea i've heard that the 6000 series is a little bit better when being a single card solution but its way better than the 5000 series in CF
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October 23, 2010 2:50:23 AM

haha i've accaully thinking about that too, does the 5850/5870 need a 8 pin as well? cuz i can only get ones with 6 pin (thats why i cant get the 4870 ):<) anyways by the time i get around to getting a GFX card the prices will be lower
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October 23, 2010 4:01:33 AM

The HD5850/5870/6870 all use 2 6-pin power connectors. The HD5750/5770/6850 use one 6-pin connector. The amount and type of connectors really doesn't matter though; there are always adapters if necessary. What matters is whether your PSU can provide enough power for whatever card you are considering. It's best to choose a card first then pick an appropriate power supply.
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October 23, 2010 3:50:38 PM

well im pretty sure the 5770 is a minimum of 450 Watt which is what im getting, so i dunno yet but i kinda want something from the 5000 series since it uses less power and are a little bit better to their equivlent number (5850>4850 i think) so i think the 5770 is the way to go
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October 23, 2010 7:50:14 PM

Yeah, at your resolution the HD5770 is the best you should consider. It should be extremely good. If you are considering a higher resolution monitor then a 450w of a decent brand should handle an HD6850 as well.
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October 23, 2010 9:18:00 PM

Like a BFG psu, haha i dunno if their a good company yet
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October 23, 2010 9:20:06 PM

They were a good company. They are now out of business. I would recommend something by Corsair or Antec or Seasonic. Even a 400w by those brands should easily handle the HD5770.
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