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December 14, 2010 4:28:40 AM

Hello everyone. So, thinking to build a PC that will be good for both gaming and rendering. Thinking about nice computer, games will be played pretty rarely (for that I'm planning a laptop with GTX 480M, how do you like it?), but rendering will be done pretty regularly. Budget - well, basically thinking to spend max. $1300 including Windows 7, though less=better. No monitor. So, how do you like it: (I'm not going to build it tomorrow, heh)

i7 2600K 3.4 GHz
Gigabyte P67-something-UD3
4GB memory (or if cheap but good, 8...)
What video card???? Thinking about ATi 5870
Planning to get a PSU no more than 600w

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December 14, 2010 7:59:47 AM

You'll probably want an Nvidia card for Cuda.
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December 14, 2010 11:41:43 AM

Which software are u gona use for rendering etc?
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December 14, 2010 3:15:12 PM

possible alternative would be an amd 6 core
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December 14, 2010 3:48:54 PM

Vue, and nothing more. So, the reason I'm planning to get the computer is that right now I'm creating a beautiful scene and there are 85 billion! polygons... Can you imagine that??? And my computer gets dead (2gb ram, no video card) when I use it for a long time. But after some re-dos, the scene should be very beautiful. Gaming - well, nothing too heavy. Battlefield, some other "light" games, but no crysis or gta iv.
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December 14, 2010 5:12:45 PM

Get AMD 6870, 8GB RAM and OCZ 550w PSU. 550w is enough for that system unless you want to go crossfire/sli in future then get a Corsair 750w.

GPU: XFX HD-687A-ZNFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 (239$ - 10$ MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (119$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W 80+ Modular (69$ - 15$ MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W 80+ (109$ - 10$ MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 14, 2010 7:10:51 PM

But 6870 has only 1506 (I think) cores, not 1600 like 5870.
Don't like G.Skill. My favorite companies (and trademarks) are:

Corsair (XMS3, Dominator)
Kingston (HyperX (T1, LoVo, but not principal)
OCZ (not principal)
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December 14, 2010 7:43:12 PM

6870 is new and is better for future use as u wont find 5870 after an year or so for crossfire as its old now. There is also a price difference btw them to consider. Also within a week new 69xx GPU's from AMD will replace 5870 line so look out for that as well. If the new GPU's are out of ur budget then get this GTX 470 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... which is a gr8 deal.

Priority: 69xx > 470 > 6870 > 6850

About the RAM favorite line, well dats like a medicine we dont like but is better for us. Anyways as u wish, get this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... OR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... do have a look into motherboards RAM support list before purchasing any.
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December 14, 2010 8:35:01 PM

Well, if there's an alternative, it's better. And by the way, 6870 has 1120 cores, not 1506. 6970 has it. Also, about memory. Is there any difference in speed between let's say, 1333 and 2000 mhz in rendering? And if I were to overclock the CPU, what would you recommend? I mean, air cooling or liquid? How'd Corsair H70 do? Planning (if I ever do overclock) to 4 so far, with full settings on (turbo, etc.). Again, i7 2600K, on Gigabyte's UD3.
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December 14, 2010 8:36:12 PM

Rendering is it's own little world ..... as rendering performance goes up, gaming performance suffers. If ya want to do both, a CUDA capable nVidia card like the 470 is an affordable choice that has compromises in rendering compared to a Quadro card. But either way ya slice it, CUDA is where it's at in rendering. This build ($1275 ish .... less w/ combos) will let you do both and PSU is sized for a future upgrade to SLI GFX (twin cards)

Case - $90 - Coolermaster HAF-922 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - Later - CM Red 200 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $130 - XFX Black Edition 850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $200 - Asus Sabertooth http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $295 - Intel i7-950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $110 - 3 x 2GB Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $230 - EVGA GTX 470 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD - $55 - Seagate 7200.12 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - Later - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $19 - ASUS 24X DVD Writer http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Drop the 850 watt PSU to a 650 if ya don't think ya will ever get that 2nd GFX card.

To focus on the rendering, a quadro leaves you ina quandry with a big pricing hole.....the 580 is $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And next step up is the $440 range
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December 14, 2010 8:48:35 PM

JackNaylorPE
Why don't you like Sandy Bridge? i7 950 is old CPU. And Scythe - I think there are better companies, at least better products...
So, let's start editing your idea...

Case - nothing against it, I guess any is good enough
Case Fan - On some there are already
PSU - I don't need so big, if I get it right, the most my CPU will eat is less than 200w, which will give me some ideas that I'd need a 650 even for GTX 480.
Motherboard - Why dying socket when I can get a new one? Again, I'm not building it tomorrow.
CPU - 3.4 stock vs. 3.06 stock. Feel the difference?
Cooler - no watercooling, eh?
TIM - if it's thermal paste, good one should go with any cooler, though not best, I agree.
RAM - I like CAS 7, but don't like Mushkin.
GFX - like it.
HD - any will do, might even get an SSD for OS.
DVD Writer - have old, so far so good... Though it's IDE
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December 15, 2010 3:24:17 PM

by the way, is there any difference between 1333 mhz and 2000 mhz in rendering?
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December 17, 2010 4:31:06 AM

So, is the i7 950 + GTX 470 the best choice for me?
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December 17, 2010 4:38:23 AM

I would say so, if your budget allows.
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December 17, 2010 4:39:23 AM

Not Sandy Bridge...?
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December 17, 2010 9:14:37 AM

You can always wait for the benchmarks before deciding, you know. Either way you get 4 hyper-threaded cores.

You might even get to upgrade to 6 or 8 cores at a reasonable price going this route, once SB is released.
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December 17, 2010 3:38:17 PM

Well, I'm not talking about 4 cores, not about upgrade. I'm talking about 3.4 GHz, 3.8 with Turbo Boost. And I'd overclock it if I had a chance to. To about 4 GHz... (with watercooling from Cooler Master H70 I guess that will be possible...)
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December 17, 2010 7:19:43 PM

By the way, I might also play with CityEngine
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December 17, 2010 8:05:47 PM

sandy bridge will be an enirely new CPU & Mobo.
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December 17, 2010 9:17:36 PM

Yes, and according to news that I read on the internet, it'll be way much better compared to 950 (is it Bloomsfield?)
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December 26, 2010 5:21:03 AM

Anyone?
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December 26, 2010 6:31:09 AM

no way to really tell until we get benchmarks
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January 3, 2011 6:41:16 PM

SB shows some pretty significant improvements so a i7-2600k would be the best bet. Pair it with a Quadro 2000 ~$450 or a Quadro 600 ~$170 for the best workstation peformance for your money.

Quadro's aren't gaming GPU's though, so don't expect to game on the system.

You can easily pair the above with a good 500W PSU, such as an Antec earthwatts $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Pair that with 8gb of RAM such as G SKill ripjaw Kit DDR3 7-8-7-24
$70 for 4gb kit, $60 if you buy today w/ promo code.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Throw in your choice of case and see how much you have left after the CPU + mobo and another ~$120 for optical and OS.

From there you can see if you want to grab an SSD. Whether you want a Quadro 2000 or not would also be a big factor.
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January 3, 2011 11:12:15 PM

But where can I find benches of Quadro 2000 vs GTX xxx?
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January 4, 2011 6:23:54 PM

1 is a workstation GPU, other is a gaming GPU.

Completely different parts designed for different purposes.

It would be like comparing a dump truck to a sports car. Yea, they're both vehicles, but that's pretty much where the similarities end.
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January 4, 2011 6:36:56 PM

What kind of rendering?

On 3ds max all the video card does there is show you whats on the screen or window it does not do any rendering of your clips or scenes.

All the rendering is done on the processor for 3ds max.
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January 4, 2011 6:51:01 PM

accolite so why are there Quadros at all? banthracis it's not like a dump truck and sports car. It's more like some heavy GAS car and hybrid (gas and some other, like electro-engine), where they both have engines (processors) that have similar possibilities, but Quadros are like heavy gas car, GTX are like hybrid cars, which can handle both gas and electricity, but are created to work mainly on electricity, and so are weaker. So, where can I get benches?
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January 4, 2011 7:01:00 PM

It's nvidia's way to charge you for their hard work in ironing out all the bugs in their drivers.

It's the same with firepro cards.

quadro is designed for professional cad programs and geforce is designed for everyday users that plays games etc..

Quadros hardware wise are basically the same thing except for a small feature here and there that is disabled on the geforce cards.
So your analogy is incorrect, to be more correct it is two different people with different mind sets driving the same cars.
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January 4, 2011 9:45:33 PM

So, basically you mean that Quadros' drivers are beta version of drivers for GTX cards? Where did you get all that info from? You are wrong here, video card does render the scene. GTX might not render a lot, but Quadros are created for rendering. It helps a lot by shortening the time of render. You can compare it by getting, let's say, GTX 480 and Quadro 6000. They both have 480 processors, but might have different speeds. You can compare any video cards, but they all should have the same amount of processors. So, you can compare them in action and see that you're wrong.
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January 5, 2011 1:57:07 AM

Read my post again, here let me help you.

"quadro is designed for professional cad programs"

I do not know where you got beta from but then again I assumed you knew about rendering and cad programs, my mistake.

The main difference between quadro and geforce is the way the driver are designed for.

Quadro is for people that make a living off of their pc that depend error free modeling and you pay for that, that is how the quadro came around.

geforce is for the every day user so they do not have to be specifically made to work with any special program.

In basic English the drivers are made for two different tasks.



Lets define by what we mean when we say render:
When I render a scene I click the render button on 3ds max and the CPU does all the work only the cpu and after the cpu cycles it tells the video card to displays what the cpu processed, it makes a still image/frame.
When I am looking and rotating the model/ around I am using the GPU to put a picture on the fly as I rotate it, So when I am rotating a model the gpu draws all the geometry on the fly.

"let's say, GTX 480 and Quadro 6000. They both have 480 processors, but might have different speeds. You can compare any video cards, but they all should have the same amount of processors."

Again this goes back to what the drivers are geared for but they are the same hardware, with some minor changes.

Compare same speed core for core, same memory both, everything identical.

Take a quadro and try to play a game with it and compare it to a geforce, the geforce will own it, try to take a geforce and do some modeling and depending on the application the quadro will come out ahead.

But then again all this info is available if you searched it and actually knew about the two different products.

Now if you cant get your head around this then I cannot help you.

Google it and see for your self.

"It's nvidia's way to charge you for their hard work in ironing out all the bugs in their drivers. "
In other words they jack up the price on the quadros to compensate themselves for going over and making sure all the cad programs work without any errors.
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January 5, 2011 1:46:50 PM

miha2 said:
accolite so why are there Quadros at all? banthracis it's not like a dump truck and sports car. It's more like some heavy GAS car and hybrid (gas and some other, like electro-engine), where they both have engines (processors) that have similar possibilities, but Quadros are like heavy gas car, GTX are like hybrid cars, which can handle both gas and electricity, but are created to work mainly on electricity, and so are weaker. So, where can I get benches?



That analogy makes no sense...

No one benches workstation GPU vs Mainstream GPU's. They're designed for different tasks.

Also, there are some significant hardware difference btwn Quadro and GTX's. For ex, double precision is hardware capped at 1/8 single precision in GTX's, but allowed to reach 1/2 in Quadro's.

Major difference there for double precision calculations.
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January 5, 2011 7:41:39 PM

So, we're off the topic. Quadro is quadro, 8gb is 8gb. SB is SB, what else? Power supply, some minor details like overclocking and stuff. I found out that (but still can't beleve if it's true) that SB with GTX 580 needs a good 350w PSU. On the box it says it needs 550-600w, don't remember.
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January 5, 2011 8:08:28 PM

SB + GTX 580 might pull 380W. That does not mean you buy a PSU rated for that. See the PSU guide in my sig.

You'll need something that will deliver around 36-40 amps on the 12V rail, at least.
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January 5, 2011 11:23:48 PM

I don't want to start flooding or word war, but I went to one Russian web site which I trust, and there was something saying like mobile (again, mobile, not desktop) Quadros are capable of playing games, and that quadro fx 2800 is better, like, 2 or 3 times than GTX (or just GT?) 540m.
P.S. btw, I got this info from the same site I read that SB+GTX 580 will work with a good 350w PSU
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January 23, 2011 7:59:42 PM

So, decided to review this topic and add Xeon here. How do you like it? Possibly 2 CPUs, but for less money then. Let's raise the budget to $1500-1600.
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January 23, 2011 10:20:45 PM

pro apps like adobe, maya, max, Motion builder will not use SLI for rendering

I HAVE CORRECTED THIS POST BECAUSE I WAS MISINFORMED. MAYA, MAX, MOTION BUILDER WILL USE SLI FOR VIEW PORT AND REAL TIME RENDERING. ADOBE WILL NOT USE SLI AT ALL. 3d apps use almost no GPU power when rendering final scenes.
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January 23, 2011 10:41:49 PM

1. SLI is nVidia's technology to use 2 video cards.
2. I'm going to be using those programs. If you'd read more carefully all this topic, you'd know what software I'll be using.
3. This program DOES support dual CPUs.
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January 23, 2011 11:06:29 PM

miha2 said:
1. SLI is nVidia's technology to use 2 video cards.
2. I'm going to be using those programs. If you'd read more carefully all this topic, you'd know what software I'll be using.
3. This program DOES support dual CPUs.


I knew your using vue
I know what sli is
I am telling you Adobe does not support SLI so rule it out! Autodesk uses almost no GPU when rendering final scene I'm pretty sure vue does not either but they will use it for view port and real time.
All pro apps will support duel cpu. Professional render farm boxes are always duel cpu because rending in Autodesk apps is almost exclusively done via cpu. I dont know about Vue

I worked in an animation studio for 2 years. Not one of our 150 computer (including render farm and servers) had SLI because its nearly useless unless your gaming.
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January 23, 2011 11:13:01 PM

your going to spend extra on everything for a server board with xeon. I would guess a min budget would be around 2k when all said and done but i am totally guessing.
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January 24, 2011 12:12:55 AM

Why would I need SLI? And by the way, no gaming will be on this computer, changed my mind. Only landscaping, so Quadro 600 it is. Now, it's all up to CPU. But don't forget it's all just for home use, not studio or whatever.
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January 24, 2011 3:17:08 AM

miha2 said:
Why would I need SLI? And by the way, no gaming will be on this computer, changed my mind. Only landscaping, so Quadro 600 it is. Now, it's all up to CPU. But don't forget it's all just for home use, not studio or whatever.


I wasn't saying you needed sli at all. I was stating that SLI is not going to work with pro apps.
Honestly im not sure the 600 is really worth all that cash. You could practically build another computer with a gtx570 in it with that savings (well not really but you get my point). If you are a pro and make money by doing this then don't think twice. GO duel cpu and quadro 600 since the increase in productivity is priceless. if this is a hobby and your not filthy rich then go with single cpu 12gb or more ram and a gtx 570 (or seriously splurge on a quadro 600) Be aware that gpu only helps for view port rendering in Autodesk apps (again im not sure about vue).

A quadro 600 will play most games totally fine by the way so dont worry about that. i used to play games on my workstation with a quadro while waiting for the farm to crank out my renders and i had a lower end quadro in that machine.
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January 24, 2011 3:27:18 AM

Ok, let's just forget this. And yes, this is just a hobby.
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January 24, 2011 3:32:10 AM

if you care this is the workstation i have almost built for my home use
final build

EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$359.99
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel $29.99
COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RSA00-80GAD3-US 1000W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready $199.99
Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$264.99
LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support
$21.99
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$69.99
LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$118.99
ASUS Rampage III Formula LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$299.99
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
$294.99
2X Mushkin Enhanced Redline 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 998805
12gb total
205.15

total = about 1840
currently waiting to buy ssd. waiting for price drop. i think its coming.

I built this for some gaming but mostly for adobe and autodesk apps. I dont feel like the quadro is worth the extra money personally. My scenes are usually completely optimized and under 1 mil polys even with 20 or so high res characters. You should look into referencing and scene optimization in vue. 85million is crazy!!! I am no expert in Vue but there has to be a way to optimize that scene. I could be wrong.
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January 24, 2011 5:07:54 AM

Quote:
EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$359.99

Surprised! Now, imagine that Quadro 600 costs $170, and for rendering it'll be just fine. I'm not going to comment your build, since your build is for ("some") gaming, mine will be for rendering only
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January 24, 2011 5:55:18 AM

oh! wow. i just typed it in Google grabbed the first price i saw. turns out it was for a whole comp. My bad. Figured by the price it was way overkill.
Posting my build was more to give you an idea of what 1800 get you. Its not duel socket.
Goodluck
xtreme out
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January 24, 2011 5:58:09 AM

Well, of course, I'm not going to get E5640 or whatever, just some basic 45 nm, 130W CPU. Or Sandy Bridge is better? (how about 980X?)
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January 24, 2011 6:24:35 PM

Built by yourself would cost a thousand less I guess...
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