Best rendering PC (cheap)
Hello everyone. So, thinking to build a PC that will be good for both gaming and rendering. Thinking about nice computer, games will be played pretty rarely (for that I'm planning a laptop with GTX 480M, how do you like it?), but rendering will be done pretty regularly. Budget - well, basically thinking to spend max. $1300 including Windows 7, though less=better. No monitor. So, how do you like it: (I'm not going to build it tomorrow, heh)
i7 2600K 3.4 GHz
4GB memory (or if cheap but good, 8...)
What video card???? Thinking about ATi 5870
Planning to get a PSU no more than 600w
i7 2600K 3.4 GHz
4GB memory (or if cheap but good, 8...)
What video card???? Thinking about ATi 5870
Planning to get a PSU no more than 600w
Vue, and nothing more. So, the reason I'm planning to get the computer is that right now I'm creating a beautiful scene and there are 85 billion! polygons... Can you imagine that??? And my computer gets dead (2gb ram, no video card) when I use it for a long time. But after some re-dos, the scene should be very beautiful. Gaming - well, nothing too heavy. Battlefield, some other "light" games, but no crysis or gta iv.
Get AMD 6870, 8GB RAM and OCZ 550w PSU. 550w is enough for that system unless you want to go crossfire/sli in future then get a Corsair 750w.
GPU: XFX HD-687A-ZNFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 (239$ - 10$ MIR)
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (119$)
PSU: OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W 80+ Modular (69$ - 15$ MIR)
OR CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W 80+ (109$ - 10$ MIR)
6870 is new and is better for future use as u wont find 5870 after an year or so for crossfire as its old now. There is also a price difference btw them to consider. Also within a week new 69xx GPU's from AMD will replace 5870 line so look out for that as well. If the new GPU's are out of ur budget then get this GTX 470 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130549 which is a gr8 deal.
Priority: 69xx > 470 > 6870 > 6850
About the RAM favorite line, well dats like a medicine we dont like but is better for us. Anyways as u wish, get this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315 OR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145324 do have a look into motherboards RAM support list before purchasing any.
Well, if there's an alternative, it's better. And by the way, 6870 has 1120 cores, not 1506. 6970 has it. Also, about memory. Is there any difference in speed between let's say, 1333 and 2000 mhz in rendering? And if I were to overclock the CPU, what would you recommend? I mean, air cooling or liquid? How'd Corsair H70 do? Planning (if I ever do overclock) to 4 so far, with full settings on (turbo, etc.). Again, i7 2600K, on Gigabyte's UD3.
Rendering is it's own little world ..... as rendering performance goes up, gaming performance suffers. If ya want to do both, a CUDA capable nVidia card like the 470 is an affordable choice that has compromises in rendering compared to a Quadro card. But either way ya slice it, CUDA is where it's at in rendering. This build ($1275 ish .... less w/ combos) will let you do both and PSU is sized for a future upgrade to SLI GFX (twin cards)
Case - $90 - Coolermaster HAF-922 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197
Case Fans - Later - CM Red 200 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103072
PSU - $130 - XFX Black Edition 850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207001
MoBo - $200 - Asus Sabertooth http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665
CPU - $295 - Intel i7-950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211
Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185142
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080
RAM - $110 - 3 x 2GB Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226155
GFX - $230 - EVGA GTX 470 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187110
HD - $55 - Seagate 7200.12 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433
SSD - Later - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227590
DVD Writer - $19 - ASUS 24X DVD Writer http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754
Drop the 850 watt PSU to a 650 if ya don't think ya will ever get that 2nd GFX card.
To focus on the rendering, a quadro leaves you ina quandry with a big pricing hole.....the 580 is $190
And next step up is the $440 range
Why don't you like Sandy Bridge? i7 950 is old CPU. And Scythe - I think there are better companies, at least better products...
So, let's start editing your idea...
Case - nothing against it, I guess any is good enough
Case Fan - On some there are already
PSU - I don't need so big, if I get it right, the most my CPU will eat is less than 200w, which will give me some ideas that I'd need a 650 even for GTX 480.
Motherboard - Why dying socket when I can get a new one? Again, I'm not building it tomorrow.
CPU - 3.4 stock vs. 3.06 stock. Feel the difference?
Cooler - no watercooling, eh?
TIM - if it's thermal paste, good one should go with any cooler, though not best, I agree.
RAM - I like CAS 7, but don't like Mushkin.
GFX - like it.
HD - any will do, might even get an SSD for OS.
DVD Writer - have old, so far so good... Though it's IDE
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/01/intel-sandy-bridge-ces/ OK, so here's a "rough draft" on SB. Does it help?
SB shows some pretty significant improvements so a i7-2600k would be the best bet. Pair it with a Quadro 2000 ~$450 or a Quadro 600 ~$170 for the best workstation peformance for your money.
Quadro's aren't gaming GPU's though, so don't expect to game on the system.
You can easily pair the above with a good 500W PSU, such as an Antec earthwatts $70
Pair that with 8gb of RAM such as G SKill ripjaw Kit DDR3 7-8-7-24
$70 for 4gb kit, $60 if you buy today w/ promo code.
Throw in your choice of case and see how much you have left after the CPU + mobo and another ~$120 for optical and OS.
From there you can see if you want to grab an SSD. Whether you want a Quadro 2000 or not would also be a big factor.
accolite so why are there Quadros at all? banthracis it's not like a dump truck and sports car. It's more like some heavy GAS car and hybrid (gas and some other, like electro-engine), where they both have engines (processors) that have similar possibilities, but Quadros are like heavy gas car, GTX are like hybrid cars, which can handle both gas and electricity, but are created to work mainly on electricity, and so are weaker. So, where can I get benches?
It's nvidia's way to charge you for their hard work in ironing out all the bugs in their drivers.
It's the same with firepro cards.
quadro is designed for professional cad programs and geforce is designed for everyday users that plays games etc..
Quadros hardware wise are basically the same thing except for a small feature here and there that is disabled on the geforce cards.
So your analogy is incorrect, to be more correct it is two different people with different mind sets driving the same cars.
So, basically you mean that Quadros' drivers are beta version of drivers for GTX cards? Where did you get all that info from? You are wrong here, video card does render the scene. GTX might not render a lot, but Quadros are created for rendering. It helps a lot by shortening the time of render. You can compare it by getting, let's say, GTX 480 and Quadro 6000. They both have 480 processors, but might have different speeds. You can compare any video cards, but they all should have the same amount of processors. So, you can compare them in action and see that you're wrong.
Read my post again, here let me help you.
"quadro is designed for professional cad programs"
I do not know where you got beta from but then again I assumed you knew about rendering and cad programs, my mistake.
The main difference between quadro and geforce is the way the driver are designed for.
Quadro is for people that make a living off of their pc that depend error free modeling and you pay for that, that is how the quadro came around.
geforce is for the every day user so they do not have to be specifically made to work with any special program.
In basic English the drivers are made for two different tasks.
Lets define by what we mean when we say render:
When I render a scene I click the render button on 3ds max and the CPU does all the work only the cpu and after the cpu cycles it tells the video card to displays what the cpu processed, it makes a still image/frame.
When I am looking and rotating the model/ around I am using the GPU to put a picture on the fly as I rotate it, So when I am rotating a model the gpu draws all the geometry on the fly.
"let's say, GTX 480 and Quadro 6000. They both have 480 processors, but might have different speeds. You can compare any video cards, but they all should have the same amount of processors."
Again this goes back to what the drivers are geared for but they are the same hardware, with some minor changes.
Compare same speed core for core, same memory both, everything identical.
Take a quadro and try to play a game with it and compare it to a geforce, the geforce will own it, try to take a geforce and do some modeling and depending on the application the quadro will come out ahead.
But then again all this info is available if you searched it and actually knew about the two different products.
Now if you cant get your head around this then I cannot help you.
Google it and see for your self.
"It's nvidia's way to charge you for their hard work in ironing out all the bugs in their drivers. "
In other words they jack up the price on the quadros to compensate themselves for going over and making sure all the cad programs work without any errors.
miha2 said:accolite so why are there Quadros at all? banthracis it's not like a dump truck and sports car. It's more like some heavy GAS car and hybrid (gas and some other, like electro-engine), where they both have engines (processors) that have similar possibilities, but Quadros are like heavy gas car, GTX are like hybrid cars, which can handle both gas and electricity, but are created to work mainly on electricity, and so are weaker. So, where can I get benches?
That analogy makes no sense...
No one benches workstation GPU vs Mainstream GPU's. They're designed for different tasks.
Also, there are some significant hardware difference btwn Quadro and GTX's. For ex, double precision is hardware capped at 1/8 single precision in GTX's, but allowed to reach 1/2 in Quadro's.
Major difference there for double precision calculations.
I don't want to start flooding or word war, but I went to one Russian web site which I trust, and there was something saying like mobile (again, mobile, not desktop) Quadros are capable of playing games, and that quadro fx 2800 is better, like, 2 or 3 times than GTX (or just GT?) 540m.
P.S. btw, I got this info from the same site I read that SB+GTX 580 will work with a good 350w PSU
pro apps like adobe, maya, max, Motion builder will not use SLI for rendering
I HAVE CORRECTED THIS POST BECAUSE I WAS MISINFORMED. MAYA, MAX, MOTION BUILDER WILL USE SLI FOR VIEW PORT AND REAL TIME RENDERING. ADOBE WILL NOT USE SLI AT ALL. 3d apps use almost no GPU power when rendering final scenes.
miha2 said:1. SLI is nVidia's technology to use 2 video cards.
2. I'm going to be using those programs. If you'd read more carefully all this topic, you'd know what software I'll be using.
3. This program DOES support dual CPUs.
I knew your using vue
I know what sli is
I am telling you Adobe does not support SLI so rule it out! Autodesk uses almost no GPU when rendering final scene I'm pretty sure vue does not either but they will use it for view port and real time.
All pro apps will support duel cpu. Professional render farm boxes are always duel cpu because rending in Autodesk apps is almost exclusively done via cpu. I dont know about Vue
I worked in an animation studio for 2 years. Not one of our 150 computer (including render farm and servers) had SLI because its nearly useless unless your gaming.
miha2 said:Why would I need SLI? And by the way, no gaming will be on this computer, changed my mind. Only landscaping, so Quadro 600 it is. Now, it's all up to CPU. But don't forget it's all just for home use, not studio or whatever.
I wasn't saying you needed sli at all. I was stating that SLI is not going to work with pro apps.
Honestly im not sure the 600 is really worth all that cash. You could practically build another computer with a gtx570 in it with that savings (well not really but you get my point). If you are a pro and make money by doing this then don't think twice. GO duel cpu and quadro 600 since the increase in productivity is priceless. if this is a hobby and your not filthy rich then go with single cpu 12gb or more ram and a gtx 570 (or seriously splurge on a quadro 600) Be aware that gpu only helps for view port rendering in Autodesk apps (again im not sure about vue).
A quadro 600 will play most games totally fine by the way so dont worry about that. i used to play games on my workstation with a quadro while waiting for the farm to crank out my renders and i had a lower end quadro in that machine.
if you care this is the workstation i have almost built for my home use
EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel $29.99
COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RSA00-80GAD3-US 1000W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready $199.99
Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive
LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
ASUS Rampage III Formula LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
2X Mushkin Enhanced Redline 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 998805
total = about 1840
currently waiting to buy ssd. waiting for price drop. i think its coming.
I built this for some gaming but mostly for adobe and autodesk apps. I dont feel like the quadro is worth the extra money personally. My scenes are usually completely optimized and under 1 mil polys even with 20 or so high res characters. You should look into referencing and scene optimization in vue. 85million is crazy!!! I am no expert in Vue but there has to be a way to optimize that scene. I could be wrong.
Quote:EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Surprised! Now, imagine that Quadro 600 costs $170, and for rendering it'll be just fine. I'm not going to comment your build, since your build is for ("some") gaming, mine will be for rendering only
f you want a rebuilt monster this is similar to what we used to have at our studio. This thing would laugh at any scene.