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December 16, 2010 6:53:22 PM

BASIC INFO

Approximate Purchase Date: 3/1/2011 or soon thereafter.

Budget Range: Trying not to exceed $1000. Cannot exceed $1500.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: I don't want cheap stuff. I'm building for longevity.

Overclocking: NO (I'm building for longevity)

SLI or Crossfire: In the future.

Monitor Resolution: Not sure. I have an old CRT. Will look into getting a new monitor when I have the money.

Additional Comments: A quiet PC would be nice. My Alienware (about 6 years old) always has and always will sound like a jet.

*IMPORTANT* notes before we begin. I've been putting these specs together while slowly learning about the parts along the way so there have been a lot of revisions to this build, and I've got plenty of time to get it right before I buy.

*First and foremost, this topic is about *Saving money for those NOT interested in overclocking*

As I was saying, I've put this build together, and I've been happy with it for the most part except the price is higher than I'd like. So in order to cut the price down, I started looking into the parts I've listed, and asking myself if I need all the features. OCing is a no across the board. I'm not interested in burning the parts out with high performance. I want good steady performance for years to come.

So I'm interested in finding comparable products to the ones I've listed here that have the same performance but are cheaper due to not being designed for OCers. For instance, I recently switched out an ASUSP6X58D-E Motherboard for a comparable ASUS Sabertooth X58. From what I've read across forums, the Sabertooth is a good board and it's cheaper due to having less OC friendly design. This is the kind of thing I'd like to do across the board with this build.

If you see something here that's designed for OCers, let me know. Say, "Hey, why are you getting this? You don't want to overclock!"

BUILD

Case - COOLER MASTER HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case: $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO - ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard: $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor: $294.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit: $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0: $249.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - CORSAIR 750W ATX12V / EPS12V: $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive- 1TB: $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD - (x2 in RAID 0) OCZ Vertex Series 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD): $179.98 ($89.99/SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders: $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thermal Paste: $4.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(x2) Mounting Bracket for SSD: $11.98 ($5.99/unit)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL PRICE - $1461.86


Since I'm not Ocing this machine, I removed this from the list:

CPU Cooler - CORSAIR CAFA50 120mm CPU Cooler: $32.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm open to looking into new brands, but they need to be quality. I seem to be hearing okay things from G.Skill RAM. It'll just be hard to beat 6GB DDR3 1600 for $89.99

I most recently had a single Crucial C300 64GB SSD for the OS and replaced it with these two OCZ drives. There seem to be too many problems with the Marvel controllers and SATA III. Plus the dual setup should be faster.

Please let me know if there's any place I can trim some off the price.

~Remington
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December 16, 2010 7:39:21 PM

If you are not going to run 2 video cards the 750 PSU is overkill. The 650TX for about $30 less would do. and eliminating one SSD will save you quite a bit.

If you are going to use the cooler that came with the CPU, you do not need thermal paste. It is preaplied to the stock cooler.
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December 16, 2010 8:09:09 PM

@jsc - I put my specs into the Newegg PSU calculator and it gave me 612 watts. I just didn't want to cut it too close. I'm okay getting a smaller PSU, I just want to make sure it'll be enough.

I do plan on going SLI at some point, but it won't be for a long time, and I figure I'll get a new PSU when I get another GPU. So just enough power for the single GPU is all I need right now.

Oh, and thanks for the Thermal Paste tid-bit. This is my first build, so things like that which seem like second nature to most, are often looked over, so I never find out about 'em. So thanks!

Also, about the SSD situation. I want at least 60GB of space for the OS and all my apps. I'm afraid of going too much smaller. I have another 60GB SSD in mind, but I'll have to decide if $50 is worth the speed boost of two in RAID-0.
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December 16, 2010 9:00:17 PM

Keep the cooler or get the hyper 212 plus, the stock cooler will barely keep up and won't if you start doing heavy processing. And use this Arctic Silver Ceramique Thermal Compound. ^+1 on the video card, or since your planned build date is March I would wait and check out the new 6970/6990 first. Keep the PSU also if you're planning on CorssFire/SLI later down the road - no sense in buying it twice. Or get this one BFG Tech EX-1000 1000W ATX12V 2v.2/EPS12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Power Supply for only $130. I run one in my system (check my config) and never have any problems with POWER. It might sound like overkill today but you don't know what you might want to put in it later. If your current build calls for 612 W and you add a second card using 300/350 watts you're going to be glad for the 1,000 watts. Wait on the SSD's also, they're not much faster and not worth the money yet for so small a drive and you can add them anytime down the road - they will only get better, bigger and faster :sol:  .
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a b B Homebuilt system
December 16, 2010 9:44:42 PM

Your paying a price premium for overclocking capable components and then not overclocking ... In short, you're buying "too much machine" spending for capabilities you won't be using.....the Sabertooth is a fine OC'er by the way....the P6X58D-E's most distinguishing feature compared to the Sabertooth is that it's older. (Yes the P6X58D-E has an extra PCI-E slot but if both GFX cards are running at 16x, all the 3rd slot can do is 1X).

I think most here would say that your assumptions on OC'ing and longevity are off the mark. Pushing a i7 CPU to 4.5 GHz with voltage tweaks over manufacturer specs ....yes, you'll shorten the life.

A modest 25% OC is not going to have any longevity significance with a decent cooler. A 25% OC on a 950 will run cooler, at lower voltage with a decent $40 aftermarket cooler than a non OC'd 950 w/ a stock cooler. Since it's higher temps that shorten life ......

I'm not trying to dictate your choice here, I wouldn't want to argue someone into overclocking if that's not something they are comfy with. I'm just saying, no need to buy rain gear when you're sure you're not going to go out into the rain. OC'ing requires more case air flow, OC'ing requires, more PSU power, OC'ing requires highe rmemory speed ratings .... if you're not OC'ing you don't need any of that but you're buying it anyway.

But getting back to your desired goal ......

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..... finding comparable products to the ones I've listed here that have the same performance but are cheaper due to not being designed for OCers.


.... if we can agree that you don't need components designed for an OC'd box if your not OCing.... let's see if we can save you some money and get closer to that budget goal.

-The HAF means "High Air Flow" which is of little use in a non OC'd box. All you will accomplish is bringing more dust inside the box for no gain. Drop down to a cheaper case and smaller PSU to save money as the additional expense is not bringing anything to the table. To OC, you need to account for the increased power going to the CPU....you don't have that.

Save $20 with an Antec Illusion. I use these in industrial settings where extra cooling is required due to high ambient temperatures such as power plants and they do wonderfully. They also have dust filters which, if ya worried about shortening CPU life, ya don't wanna allow dust to build up on CPU cooler fins. The filters will help there.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-The 750 watter is too big for one GFX card and too small for two..... use a 650 for one GFX card and an 850 for two. If not OC'ing no need to jump to the upper tier PSU's, the mid tier Corsair TX / Antec TP will do just fine.

-Your non overclocked system runs at 1066 MHz...so why buy 1600 MHz memory ? DDR3-1600 memory can't run at that speed without overclocking the BCLK or upping the memory multiplier. If you don't want to OC, all you need is 1066 MHz memory. These CAS 7's (your selections were CAS 9) are only $82
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

These DDR3-1333's are more than ya need and only $64 ....a $25 savings
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Don't understand the why SATA III (6 GB/s) is a consideration when using a single mechanical HD which can't come close to even matching SATA II output. Save some $$ and get the Spinpoint F3 which is only $59 with the promo code BEMCZNZS22. That's another $30 saved.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-You have chosen an overclocked GFX card (625 MHz) ....stock is 607 MHz if I recall correctly...stock one is $10 cheaper

-No need for thermal paste if not overclocking, stock cooler doesn't use it.

Vertex 2 is the latest round from OCZ.....$180 for twin 30's seems money could be better spent

These 60 Giggers are twice the size and way faster for just $20 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This 90 Gigger gives ya 1.5X the storage for $20 less than twin 30's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Not also that you can buy the SSD's in a 3'5" form factor (as above) saving you the trouble of buying 2.5" -> 3.5" adapters.




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December 16, 2010 11:18:13 PM

@mosox - I picked the gtx 470 because it's a 320-bit card whereas the 6870 is still 256-bit. If I remember correctly, the 470 received higher benchmark scores, and I'm assuming it's because of the higher bit rate.

@suteck - I'm basically outfitting my build with a PSU suited for 1 GPU because I know that when the day comes that a single GTX 470 isn't able to run most games at a reasonable quality, I'll have a lot more money to spend, and perhaps higher wattage PSUs will be cheaper.

@ JackNaylorPE - Thank you so much for your time. You've done a lot here for me, and I appreciate it. Looks like I'm going to be doing more research and shifting my build. Oh, and don't worry about arguing me into anything. I'm really more interested in learning and absorbing info rather than sticking to my opinions when I have very few facts to base anything on. Again, this is my first build, so I need to be taught what's what. I spend a lot of time on newegg and all around forums learning as much as I can, and just when I feel like I have an idea of what's going on, I find out I don't!

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I think most here would say that your assumptions on OC'ing and longevity are off the mark.


That's exactly why I wanted someone with OC experience to chime in here.

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A modest 25% OC is not going to have any longevity significance with a decent cooler. A 25% OC on a 950 will run cooler, at lower voltage with a decent $40 aftermarket cooler than a non OC'd 950 w/ a stock cooler. Since it's higher temps that shorten life ......


This is really interesting to me, and I'm going to look into OCing for efficiency which seems possible the way you put it. I'm just not interested in putting the petal to the metal with my machine and burning it out. My basic view of OCing was pretty black and white (i.e. You can OC to get higher performance at the price of lifespan) but I guess there's a sweet spot with some chips where you can tweak for more efficiency. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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-Your non overclocked system runs at 1066 MHz...so why buy 1600 MHz memory?


I had no idea. From the MOBO specs on Newegg, I see this: Memory Standard - DDR3 1866/1800/1600/1333/1066. So, am I to assume the lowest number is the stock number and all the other ones are achievable speeds through OCing?

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-Don't understand the why SATA III (6 GB/s) is a consideration when using a single mechanical HD which can't come close to even matching SATA II output. Save some $$ and get the Spinpoint F3 which is only $59 with the promo code BEMCZNZS22. That's another $30 saved.


This is really throwing me off. SATA III is slower than SATA II? Or is it just slower when you're only using one drive? Apart from the interface difference, the WD has double the cache size, and a 5 year warranty compared to a 3 year. I'm just trying to figure out why everyone loves the Caviar Black so much. *EDIT* After re-reading your comment, I think you're saying that the drive itself can't fully utilize the SATA II speeds. That makes sense.

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This 90 Gigger gives ya 1.5X the storage for $20 less than twin 30's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227601

Not also that you can buy the SSD's in a 3'5" form factor (as above) saving you the trouble of buying 2.5" -> 3.5" adapters.


This is awesome. I don't know how I missed it on Newegg.

Again, great advice, man.
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December 17, 2010 12:43:26 AM

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December 17, 2010 2:23:54 PM

Not sure how much "bang for your buck" you will get out of a 470 over a 460. You can get a EVGA 460 1gb for $160 right now.

Save up and SLI those bad boys.
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