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March 12, 2011 7:32:32 PM

AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W

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Intel Pentium E6700 Wolfdale 3.2GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W

Which one is better and why?

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March 12, 2011 7:46:21 PM

I believe the AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2GHz is a C3 stepping and pops up on sale for $100 from time to time --- it's essentially a propus quad but should OC to 3.6-3.8GHz without too much trouble.

It would put a major beatdown on the socket 775 E6700.
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March 12, 2011 10:44:16 PM

AMD Athlon II X4 would be better than any Pentium. Pentiums suck really, really ,really bad.
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March 12, 2011 10:51:20 PM

< runs 3x Zombie pc's then :p 
Am3 isn't dead, not by a long shot, chalk up another vote for the 640.
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March 12, 2011 10:51:41 PM

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That E6700 will do 4Ghz quite easily but going 775 is a waste of money.. Then again AM3 is a dead socket as well

AM3 is not a dead socket, it is still being used by just about every AMD user. AM3+ will be out soon, so it will not be used as often, but for people who do not have the money for the new BD will still use it.
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March 12, 2011 11:09:34 PM

Okay, what is Llano though? I have never heard of it. What socket does it run on???? AM3 is still not dead, PLENTY of people use it. LGA775 is dead. p55, p67, h55, h67, and AM3 are still used all over the place.
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March 12, 2011 11:11:06 PM

Is Llano part of Bulldozer? If so, it hasn't even come out yet.
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March 12, 2011 11:13:33 PM

Okay, so Llano isn't even out yet, now is it? So AM3 is not dead yet.
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March 12, 2011 11:14:20 PM

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Llano is the 32nm generation of the Athlon II lineup. When i say AM3 is dead i mean there are no new processors coming out for it.

Oh, okay I see. But didn't the Phenom II X4 975 B.E. just arrive?
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March 13, 2011 12:22:08 AM

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Its not like the X4 actually competes with sandy bridge. The X4 is on par with the Core I3

The X4 doesn't compete with sandy-bridge, that is true, but it does compete with the i5s. The Phenom II X4 series competes with the i5. Yes, it loses, but it will eat the core i3s for breakfast due to the core i3's lack of REAL cores. HT is a nice addition to the Intel line-up, but it doesn't perform like a true quad. So, the X4 is in between the i3 and i5. The Phenom II X6 1100t normally beats the Core i7 860 by a few FPS though. Sandy bridge is great tech though, I can't argue with that. I want to see how BD compares to SB. I am very sad to see that BD will be based on K10 tech though. AMD just won't let go of Phenom; they need to actually make big performance strides instead of baby-steps.
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March 13, 2011 12:35:52 AM

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Main reason to go with an I3 over an X4 is because the I3 will overclock over 4Ghz quite easily. With a basic 30 dollar cooler 4.4Ghz is the norm for a 530 or 540. While the X4 might have 2 more cores the better IPC of the I3 and higher clock speed negates a lot of it.

Normally the X4 series can OC to 4Ghz pretty well. I am not saying the i3 is a bad chip in any way, just in later games and programs you will need more cores. I would grab a Phenom II X4 in a heart-beat as long as it is a B.E. CPU, which is not worth buying if it is not a B.E. For the price of the i3, I think that it is not worth it. I am going to play some COD:bo zombies now, so I will reply later. ;) 
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March 13, 2011 5:55:38 PM

HostileDonut said:
Normally the X4 series can OC to 4Ghz pretty well. I am not saying the i3 is a bad chip in any way, just in later games and programs you will need more cores. I would grab a Phenom II X4 in a heart-beat as long as it is a B.E. CPU, which is not worth buying if it is not a B.E. For the price of the i3, I think that it is not worth it. I am going to play some COD:bo zombies now, so I will reply later. ;) 


Completely agree, the latest AMD BE chips can get to 4.0GHz+ very easily on air.

It took about 20 minutes for me to get my 1090T to 4.0GHz and it's been stable 24/7 since doing it several months ago.

An four cores at 4.0GHz will be a lot better than 2 cores at 4.4GHz.
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March 13, 2011 6:51:15 PM

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More about IPC then cores these days.

If IPC means speed, (lol, I don't really know) then yes, but in later games, a quad will treat you better.
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March 13, 2011 7:06:52 PM

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1100T (old stock) vs 980x (old stock)

That's the difference between Intel and Amd Performance wise

Yes, although you pay 1/3 the price for the top end AMD six core than for the top end Intel six core, which makes AMD better IMO.
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March 13, 2011 7:07:08 PM

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Its the reason a 2500K beats up on a 1100T X6

Thank you.
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March 13, 2011 7:57:32 PM

Hmmmm.... I still think the AMD is better. You could buy 3 AMD CPUs with the money you put into a Intel CPU.
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March 13, 2011 8:12:05 PM

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what's 3 going to help you with. People who buy them use it for they profession. The quicker the job is done the more you make

Okay, I see what you mean now. For the average user, AMD is better. About .05% of the world actually NEED a Intel 990X.
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March 13, 2011 8:34:59 PM

I hope that you girls realize that:

1) The OP was spending around $100 for his CPU, and most likely could not care less about IPC;

2) AM3 is far from dead -- but one Hell of a lot further from dead than s775;



3) "The quicker the job is done the more you make" --- LOL, what?

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Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes it obstructs your vision.


4) AM3 CPUs have both a DDR2 & DDR3 memory controller, and for the most part are supported not only by all AM3 motherboards, but the over-whelming majority of AM2+ motherboards; and

5) The OP has not returned to engage in this frivolity!
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March 13, 2011 8:47:14 PM

Wisecracker said:
I hope that you girls realize that:

1) The OP was spending around $100 for his CPU, and most likely could not care less about IPC;

2) AM3 is far from dead -- but one Hell of a lot further from dead than s775;

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww165/Back_at_the_Ranch/AMD%20Overlords/intel-MBs_3-11-11.jpg

3) "The quicker the job is done the more you make" --- LOL, what?

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Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes it obstructs your vision.


4) AM3 CPUs have both a DDR2 & DDR3 memory controller, and for the most part are supported not only by all AM3 motherboards, but the over-whelming majority of AM2+ motherboards; and

5) The OP has not returned to engage in this frivolity!

IPC is what makes a CPU fast. I forgot what it was, but I think I remember now, an AMD 2Ghz CPU is equal to a intel 1.5Ghz CPU, which means if you have a low IPC, your CPU will run slow. I would think he wants a fast CPU, right?????? Although Pentium sucks and the AMD will be faster anyway.
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March 13, 2011 8:56:48 PM

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Point is Amd's X6 gets beaten by Intel's quad's so why would you compare it to gulftown which destroy's the X6?

2500K : 219.99
1100T : 229.99

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=203

You know what Amd is good at? Being overpriced and getting its ass kicked by a processor with 2 less cores

Look, when you do editing, and highly threaded thing like that, the two extra cores come in handy. Yeah, but why would you compare sandy bridge to Phenom II???????? Is that really fair??? You compare Phenom II to older core 'i' series and BD to SD. So don't tell me what to compare and what not to compare. I compared it to the other six core competitors. For 1/3 the price, it's not a bad deal. Yo don't normally buy a x6 to play games, quad cores do that. Comparing it a to a 2500k for gaming is not very fair We will see the real SB competition when BD comes out.
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March 13, 2011 9:08:01 PM

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I never said i was comparing the X6 to gaming. The 2500K beats the X6 in EVERYTHING especially encoding, ripping, converting. The X6 is garbage and maybe you should learn to read and realize that fanboy. Just because it has more cores doesnt mean ***.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4083/35031.png

Whats that? A 4 core 2500K beating a 6 core X6 in a multithreaded benchmark?

Go read Anandtech's Sandy Bridge review and educate yourself. Amd has you brainwashed

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

DARN YOU! NOOOO! But still, why are you comparing Sandy Bridge to Phenom II????? Compare old series core 'i' to Phenom II.
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March 14, 2011 9:26:54 AM

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I never said i was comparing the X6 to gaming. The 2500K beats the X6 in EVERYTHING especially encoding, ripping, converting. The X6 is garbage and maybe you should learn to read and realize that fanboy. Just because it has more cores doesnt mean ***.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4083/35031.png

Whats that? A 4 core 2500K beating a 6 core X6 in a multithreaded benchmark?



No one that buys a 1100T or 1090T keeps it at stock.. it's a black edition. I wonder what a stock 2500k would look like against a 4.0GHz+ AMD 6 core.

For the price difference, AMD is much better in my opinion.
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March 14, 2011 4:19:16 PM

Best answer selected by jaylim0512.
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