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Do the new AMD 6850/6870 video cards meet your expectations?

Total: 106 votes (23 blank votes)

  • Oh yeah, they are even better than I thought they would be!
  • 28 %
  • They are pretty much exactly what I expected.
  • 46 %
  • After all the hype, I'm feeling a little let down.
  • 25 %
  • What's an AMD 6850/6870?
  • 3 %
October 22, 2010 3:00:24 AM

The reviews are in, and it looks like the 6870 and 6850 are poised to take over the mid-range and maybe a little more.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-revie...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-cross...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/amds-radeon-6870-685...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3600/sapphire_radeon_h...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3601/amd_radeon_hd_687...
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/xfx_radeon_hd_...
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/g...
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD-6870-Revie...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6870_C...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/Radeon_HD_6850_...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6850/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_C...
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/10/21/amd_radeon_hd...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/at...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/at...
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=27053
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1445/1/
http://techgage.com/article/amd_radeon_hd_6870_hd_6850/
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Radeon-HD-6870--6850...
http://www.techspot.com/review/325-amd-radeon-6870/
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Roundups/amd...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-rade...
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1942
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1941
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1944


(Feel free to link other reviews.)

So, are they everything you thought they would be?
More than you thought?
Or are you "not impressed"?

Why?
October 22, 2010 3:12:26 AM

Im a bit disappointed that they dont provide much single card improvement over the 5850 and 5870 but their CF performance seems to be better with 2 6850s beating 2 5870 sometimes. Though at only $240ish for a 6870 on newegg they are looking like pretty good deals right now.
October 22, 2010 3:18:53 AM

Met my expectations which were no more than 10% - 15% performance increase vs. the HD 5850, and improvements to the architecture. I'm guessing power consumption is down a little bit compared to the HD 5850 as well.

Most people were expecting the HD 68xx series to crush the HD 58xx series. I guess they were wrong...
October 22, 2010 3:21:42 AM

jaguarskx said:
Most people were expecting the HD 68xx series to crush the HD 58xx series. I guess they were wrong...

I was some what hoping that, but I can wait. Right now, AMD has a card that can compete at the $200 segment. This means lower prices for the 5770/5750/GTX460/GTX470. Now, let's see how the 69xx(?)/5890 does.
October 22, 2010 3:35:02 AM

I don't know what to answer in the poll. The cards are pretty much exactly what I expected because I've been following the leaks/rumors but the pricing is actually better than I was expecting, especially on the HD6850.
Anyone "expecting the HD 68xx series to crush the HD 58xx series" must have been unaware of the change in the naming scheme by AMD. These are the midrange cards as their price shows. Stupid decision by AMD imo, they deliver cards that are very impressive in terms of price and performance and saddle them with a name that makes them seem less impressive compared to the previous series while pointlessly confusing the consumer.
October 22, 2010 3:43:21 AM

These cards were expecting to fill in the performance gap between the HD 57xx and HD 58xx series but they actually perform almost equally (and at times better) than the HD 58xx series for a far better price.

Damn good job, AMD.
October 22, 2010 3:56:43 AM

Definitely better than what I was expecting. These 6800 series cards are only the midrange products yet they just about match the 5800 series cards(both being 40nm tech). It also seems CFX scaling has improved dramatically which is more than I expected.

With time they will just keep getting better, so by the end the 5800 will most likely lose to the 6800 series in single card benchmarks.
October 22, 2010 4:01:03 AM

The only reason why I selected option 3 is because of product quality. With more pressure price wise and with the rising cost of materials needed for production quality will suffer. One can tell that ATI has room for price cuts with these cards and the pcb looks questionable much like many GTX460 out there right now. With production and selling at a loss even to those who market the cards them selves are not going to help it much either so buy these cards why one can including the 68x0 before quality sinks or availability goes dry.
October 22, 2010 6:20:58 AM

Well I chose the third option, but it was a hard choice.

I AM surprised at how good the 6850 is. Slightly faster than the GTX 460, and a little cheaper while producing much less heat and using much less power. It is also an overclocker's dream, much like the 5850 was and the GTX 460 is.

The 6870 to me seems like a failure. It isn't quite faster than the GTX 470 at stock, and it doesn't overclock worth a damn while the GTX 470 is a great overclocker. For the extra $20, and soon to be less, I would go for the extra performance of the GTX 470. I honestly don't see why anyone would get the 6870 unless they had some very serious power and heat restrictions.
October 22, 2010 6:24:29 AM

Performance is about what I expected. Those following the rumors shouldn't be surprised by any of this. The guru site review was a bit confusing due to their poor labeling practices and changing the color of the cards. The price isn't to bad either, but a bit higher then I thought for the 6870. Good performance for that card, but I'm surprised it couldn't do 1GHz. Overall I think a win.
October 22, 2010 7:26:30 AM

AMW1011 said:
Well I chose the third option, but it was a hard choice.

I AM surprised at how good the 6850 is. Slightly faster than the GTX 460, and a little cheaper while producing much less heat and using much less power. It is also an overclocker's dream, much like the 5850 was and the GTX 460 is.

The 6870 to me seems like a failure. It isn't quite faster than the GTX 470 at stock, and it doesn't overclock worth a damn while the GTX 470 is a great overclocker. For the extra $20, and soon to be less, I would go for the extra performance of the GTX 470. I honestly don't see why anyone would get the 6870 unless they had some very serious power and heat restrictions.



I wouldn't call the 6870 a failure at all. The OC might be a problem, the but xfire performance is amazing. And a 10% OC isn't all that bad anyway. Comparing any card's OC ability to the greatness of the GTX 460 and 470 is unfair. As much as I like the GTX 470, having the 6870 at a cheaper price while performing almost unanimously better in benchmarks puts the value of the GTX 470 at jeopardy. And it simply takes off when crossfired. Not to mention, the power consumption of these cards are awesomely low. Sucks to be an nVidia fan right now.
October 22, 2010 7:59:46 AM

I never really pay much attention to card releases, but I did this one... no clue why, I just did... maybe because I am planing on buying another GPU? who knows =p.
the reason I put that stuff above is because I wanted to ask a question: If a new series of cards is coming out, does this mean DX12 is coming soon?
October 22, 2010 8:06:41 AM

The 6850 is positioned perfectly right now. Same if not better performance than a gtx 460, with half as many power connections and at a noticeably lower price. We all know how popular the gtx 460 has become, I can easliy see the 6850 taking that crown away.
These cards really rectify the embarrassment that the 5830 was.
October 22, 2010 8:22:25 AM

Quote:
6850 and 6870 are rebranded version of which card 5770, 5850 or 5870?Can someone plz clear my doughts.


They are not rebranded.
October 22, 2010 9:03:51 AM

Quote:
6850 and 6870 are rebranded version of which card 5770, 5850 or 5870?Can someone plz clear my doughts.



Nope - they are not re-brands. Thay have different amounts of Stream Processors and different architecture to either the 57## series or the 58## series. (I got crucified on the Fudzilla comments last week for thinking they were re-brands) These new 68xx series have improved crossfire and tesselation performance, they are less power hungry and cooler.

I Cant wait for the 6950 and the 6970 to come out, I think I might get one if the performance is what I'm expecting it to be (roughly 150% to 200% the speed of the 68## series)
October 22, 2010 9:42:17 AM

They aren't even cut down parts. The Guru article didn't go into the insides and I haven't had the chance to read the Anand one yet. But rumor says they have a similar yet redesigned internal structure.
October 22, 2010 9:52:40 AM

Met my expectations, but i was able to do the math early on, so my predictions were actually right on, and so therefore i was happy, as they were higher than everbody elses. Now Cayman :) 
October 22, 2010 1:59:36 PM

Quote:
6850 and 6870 are rebranded version of which card 5770, 5850 or 5870?Can someone plz clear my doughts.




No they are not.
October 22, 2010 3:01:46 PM

nforce4max said:
http://www.hilaliya.com/noob_tn.jpg

No they are not.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
You made my day

anyways I dont really know what to think of the new 6000 series... impressed or dissapointed..

well have to wait for the higher end series to come out
October 22, 2010 3:43:27 PM

Can't wait to see what is replacing the Hemlocks.
October 22, 2010 4:00:48 PM

I am a little let down but I cant wait until the 69XX series. Have they even released the specs for those yet?
October 22, 2010 4:04:10 PM

The 6850 is pretty much what I had hoped for.

I'm getting ready to put together a $600-700 budget rig and the 6850 is great performance for the price with a single 6pin power draw. Since you can't SLI on boards in my price-range it gives me a much more viable upgrade path than the 460, which would have to the other card solution for the top end of my budget previously. The good results in the Xfire benches I have seen are a positive too for adding another card later on.

Considering if I had built in the past month I was looking at a 5770 in that price range (or stretching for a 460 and a limited upgrade path) and now I am looking at a 6850 for a bit more it is a welcome performance bump to a much higher level without ballooning my budget crazily, all while giving me a very viable upgrade path to push the life of the rig longer.

Great news for me. :D 
October 22, 2010 5:23:42 PM

I'm pretty impressed overall, but I think the overclocking headroom on the 6870 is a disappointment. For an enthusiast, you want to be able to play around with those clock speeds. Instead, with a 6870, you will be left mostly playing at stock. When you consider that cards like the GTX460 and even 6850 will overclock a lot better, the performance gap becomes pretty small for the 6870. In the Tom's article, it really looks like a fully overclocked GTX460 will likely beat a fully overclocked 6870 due to the amount of headroom each card has.
October 22, 2010 5:28:27 PM

From what little I had heard of them they did what they were meant to do, I think waiting till december/january will be best for me so they can get the high end out and I can see if anything worth upgrading to comes out. The dual gpu looks interesting as a worthy replacement to what I got.
October 22, 2010 5:52:31 PM

skolpo said:
I wouldn't call the 6870 a failure at all. The OC might be a problem, the but xfire performance is amazing. And a 10% OC isn't all that bad anyway. Comparing any card's OC ability to the greatness of the GTX 460 and 470 is unfair. As much as I like the GTX 470, having the 6870 at a cheaper price while performing almost unanimously better in benchmarks puts the value of the GTX 470 at jeopardy. And it simply takes off when crossfired. Not to mention, the power consumption of these cards are awesomely low. Sucks to be an nVidia fan right now.


Actually the GTX 470 unanimously beats, slightly, or ties with the 6870 depending on review. Also, the Crossfire scaling is still not quite up to the SLI scaling of the GTX 4xx series, except for a few titles.

October 22, 2010 6:42:24 PM

AMW1011 said:
Actually the GTX 470 unanimously beats, slightly, or ties with the 6870 depending on review. Also, the Crossfire scaling is still not quite up to the SLI scaling of the GTX 4xx series, except for a few titles.


OH YES IT IS! :lol:  Every review ive seen has 6800 scaling at 93%, 97%, 85%, 88%, and it has MASSIVELY improved scaling vs. Cypress. I think its one of the most impressive parts! And if i havent said it yet, people have gotten 6870's to 1200 MHz, so give it some time for drivers, voltage control support, and some decent overclockers to get their hands on them. Maybe when Cayman comes.
October 22, 2010 7:08:16 PM

Quote:
6850 and 6870 are rebranded version of which card 5770, 5850 or 5870?Can someone plz clear my doughts.

Did you not read the specs?

If there's anything it it, it's a rename. They basically made the 6850/6870 the place where the ATI 57xx were. Now the high end will probably be ATI 69xx or 5890 or something like that.
October 22, 2010 7:38:11 PM

I think you mean the 58xx were as they are retaining the 57xx series for the low end.

From what I understand it goes some like 6850-5850-6870-5870.

October 22, 2010 7:45:15 PM

ares1214 said:
OH YES IT IS! :lol:  Every review ive seen has 6800 scaling at 93%, 97%, 85%, 88%, and it has MASSIVELY improved scaling vs. Cypress. I think its one of the most impressive parts! And if i havent said it yet, people have gotten 6870's to 1200 MHz, so give it some time for drivers, voltage control support, and some decent overclockers to get their hands on them. Maybe when Cayman comes.


Yeah your right, in a good few titles we are seeing great scaling like SLI, but there are some that don't scale as well, while SLI is pretty much across the board good. Either way I would say the differences are minimal, and the GTX 4xx series no longer has their SLI scaling advantage because ATI has matched them in most recent titles, and will likely get a little better yet.

I wasn't saying that crossfire is inferior, I was just arguing with the quote which made it sound superior to SLI.

As for the overclocking, I will need a MUCH more reliable source first. If you can get 6870s to 1100 MHz+ then the card will be pure win, no doubt about it.
October 22, 2010 8:08:02 PM

Guys just wait a while for more reviews, and better drivers.

Edit: Hey I'm a Regular now =D
October 22, 2010 8:29:34 PM

^ I agree on the drivers, but seriously, how many review do you plan to wait for? Pretty much every one has their review out now.

strangestranger said:
I think you mean the 58xx were as they are retaining the 57xx series for the low end.

From what I understand it goes some like 6850-5850-6870-5870.

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1287676020VD2xGydP4f_1_4_l.gif

So I guess we are going to have a 69xx series now? The question is WHY did AMD do this? Yeah, it make sense to keep the 57xx series if they lower the prices a little bit (else, the Price vs Performance isn't that great for the 57xx given the new 6xxx GPUs price vs performance)
October 22, 2010 8:33:09 PM

Yeah, ati's reasoning appears to be that instead of the new mid range equaling the high end of past and calling it the 67xx they decided to make it that the x8xx series of past would equal the x8xx series of now.

So the 69xx will be up there with the 5970 and the dual gpu variant will surpass it.

Makes sense in an odd marketing way and means they can keep using the same cheap 57xx series.

Personally I liked the old naming schemes.
October 22, 2010 9:24:17 PM

Quote:

Personally I liked the old naming schemes.

Agreed.
October 22, 2010 9:25:14 PM

I believe it was Hard who said AMD sent them 10.11 but not in time so they didnt use it. Thats the one i want to see. 10.10 has given pretty nice improvements across the board for 5xxx:
Quote:
AMD Catalyst™ Software Suite Version 10.10 Release Notes

New Features

Introduction of AMD Catalyst™ Accelerated Parallel Processing ("APP") technology Edition
There will now be two variants of the AMD Catalyst package available:
1. AMD Catalyst (comparable to prior versions in features and components) – currently includes the Direct3D®, OpenGL®, display driver and AMD Catalyst Control Center components
2. AMD Catalyst Accelerated Parallel Processing (“APP”) technology Edition – AMD Catalyst plus the OpenCL driver
Users can still obtain the individual AMD Catalyst components as well (which will also include the OpenCL driver as well)

Video accleration for WMV HD® video content
- This release of AMD Catalyst provides video acceleration support for WMV HD® (Microsoft video codec) under Windows 7
- Compatible with the ATI Radeon™ HD 5000 Series of products

Enhanced Dynamic Contrast video controls
- This release of AMD Catalyst enhances the Dynamic Contrast setting found in the Catalyst Control Center by adding histogram based detection

Introduction of AMD HD3D Technology

Blu-ray 3D Support
-This release of AMD Catalyst enables Blu-ray 3D™ playback
- Requirements include Blu-ray 3D player software, 3D supported display and 3D Stereoscopic glasses
- Compatible with the AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series

Stereo 3D Gaming Compatibility
-This release of AMD Catalyst enables Stereo 3D gaming via 3rd party Stereo 3D Conversion Software from Dynamic Digital Depth (DDD™) and iZ3D™
- Requirements include 3D supported display and 3D Stereoscopic glasses
- Compatible with the ATI Radeon HD 5000 Series and AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series

More information on AMD HD3D Technology, including Stereo 3D Conversion Software and a list of supported displays, can be found at http://www.amd.com/hd3d

Catalyst™ Application Profiles
The following application profiles are available with this release of AMD Catalyst 10.10:
- Multiplayer Medal of Honor™ (DirectX® 9/DirectX® 10/DirectX® 11) CrossFire™ update
- Darksider™ (DirectX 9) performance and CrossFire anti-aliasing update
- NBA 2K11™ (DirectX 9) CrossFire update
- Stone Giant™ (DirectX 10/DirectX 11) CrossFire update
- Civilization V™ (DirectX 10/DirectX 11) tweak CrossFire update
- H.A.W.X.™ 2 (DirectX 10/DirectX 11) CrossFire update
- Formula 1™ (DirectX 10/DirectX 11) CrossFire update
- World of Warcraft™ (DirectX 11) version CrossFire update

Performance Improvements
The following performance improvements were observed with this release of AMD Catalyst 10.10:

Aliens vs. Predator™ DirectX 11 Benchmark
- Performance increases up to 6% on ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series single and CrossFire
- Performance increases up to 5% on ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series single and CrossFire
- Performance increases up to 5% on ATI Radeon HD 5600 Series
- Performance increases up to 5% on ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series
- Performance increases up to 4% on ATI Radeon HD 5400 Series

BattleForge™
- Performance increases up to 6% on ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series single and CrossFire configurations with anti-aliasing enabled
- Performance increases up to 5% on ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series single and CrossFire configurations with anti-aliasing enabled

Crysis Warhead®
- Performance increases up to 9% on Single ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series products with anti-aliasing enabled

Far Cry™ 2
- Performance increases up to 7% on Single ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series products

Metro 2033™
- Performance increases up to 7% on ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series single and CrossFire configurations
- Performance increases up to 8% on ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series single and CrossFire configurations
- Performance increases up to 5% on ATI Radeon HD 5600 Series in DirectX 11 and 10 modes
- Performance increases up to 5% on ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series in DirectX 11 and 10 modes
- Performance increases up to 4% on ATI Radeon HD 5400 Series in DirectX 11 and 10 modes

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.™ : Call of Pripyat Benchmark
- Performance increases up to 7% on single ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series products

Unigine™ Heaven
- Performance increases up to 9% on ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series single and CrossFire configurations with anti-aliasing enabled
- Performance increases up to 8% on ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series single and CrossFire configurations with anti-aliasing enabled

World in Conflict™
- Performance increases up to 9% on ATI Radeon HD 5600 Series
- Performance increases up to 10% on ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series

Hotfix
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...10aHotfix.aspx

AMD Catalyst 10.10a Hotfix Features:

* Support for the new Morphological Anti-Aliasing feature
* Performance optimizations for systems with an AMD Radeon™ HD 6870 and AMD Radeon HD 6850 series of graphics products installed
o Aliens versus Predator performance enhancements
o Star Craft 2 performance enhancements
o OpenGL performance enhancements – gains can be seen in Prey, Quake Wars: Enemy Territories, and Heaven v2.


Perhaps they hired a real driver team? Also this morphologic stuff, free AA basically, but i want to see an IQ comparison.
October 22, 2010 9:29:58 PM

ares1214 said:


Perhaps they hired a real driver team?

XD maybe.....

Edit: we have the first vote for "What's an AMD 6850/6870?" lol =D
October 22, 2010 9:33:09 PM

Atotalnoob said:


Edit: we have the first vote for "What's an AMD 6850/6870?" lol =D

Probably a hermit emerged from his cave and logged on at the nearest internet cafe.
October 22, 2010 9:36:05 PM

I wonder what rock they were living under... :hello:  But i mean, they set out to fix scaling, and on not even first driver release, the beta of the driver before the drivers these were meant for and they are doing fantastic. Some games dont scale well, IE MW2, but thats already 150+, but real games under 60 FPS scale beautifully, id say overall better than 4xx, if not on par. That can only get better as drivers progress, or atleast get to 10.11. They set out to get better tesselation, and they succeeded to a degree, however Cayman should really be where that shows. They set out to fill the gaping whole that the 460 made, and they did it splendidly. All we need to see now is the real drivers, voltage support, and give them a month or iron things out, and ill pass judgement on what appears to be some lame overclocking. Then again, cards that respond well to voltage increases arent unheard of, these might be like that.
October 22, 2010 9:40:00 PM

They have excellent performance seeing as they are mid-range.....
October 22, 2010 9:48:18 PM

ares1214 said:
All we need to see now is the real drivers, voltage support, and give them a month or iron things out, and ill pass judgement on what appears to be some lame overclocking. Then again, cards that respond well to voltage increases arent unheard of, these might be like that.

Not sure about the 6870's, but the Asus 6850 DirectCU has voltage tweaking, and does a great job:

October 22, 2010 10:01:02 PM

17seconds said:
Probably a hermit emerged from his cave and logged on at the nearest internet cafe.

LOL!!!!!
October 22, 2010 11:16:25 PM

I'm wondering if they are even going to be able to have a dual chip solution this time around. The 6870 already uses 150W, so if the 6970 is a decent amount better along with higher wattage of let's say 250W than that doesn't leave much room for a dual chip solution to beat the high end card. Unless they decide to make the dual chip out of slightly underclocked 6870's and they call that the 6970 to keep it under the 300W limit.
October 22, 2010 11:39:20 PM

Haserath said:
I'm wondering if they are even going to be able to have a dual chip solution this time around. The 6870 already uses 150W, so if the 6970 is a decent amount better along with higher wattage of let's say 250W than that doesn't leave much room for a dual chip solution to beat the high end card. Unless they decide to make the dual chip out of slightly underclocked 6870's and they call that the 6970 to keep it under the 300W limit.


The TPD of the 5850 was 150w and the 5870 was ~190w, and yet they made a dual GPU card with something inbetween that. I don't think you can really add them together. I am sure that ATI won't have a problem making one out of two 6870s if they wanted to. It could also be made out of two very underclocked 6950s, who knows.
October 23, 2010 12:13:03 AM

when 6850/6870 release today, nVidia stock raised 6% , does that mean something?
October 23, 2010 1:01:00 AM

^ Not really. It means little. But I think it increased because I guess people were expecting it to beat the GTX480?
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