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November 20, 2011 12:06:23 AM

Have not done a new build in many years. Last time I did it was a workstation for Avid Studio Pro . A dual Zeon with big Quadro card.My kids soon after got me into FPS on the PC.The workstation did okay in my view.I know, nothing ideal but I like it better than my kids PS3.

Now I find myself playing more games ( kids are now 27 & 28 ) they can build their own machine .And I still enjoy FPS and Arcade racing.I have a ton of PS3 games but want to go back to PC.Partly because I want to feel like I did something worthwild building a really cool & awsome PC. I know this might be the lst and only gamer I will do.I felt the community here as I read through the Forums are way ahead of me and have great insight.So if you chime in thanks in advance.

Here is what I need. Advice on what would work best ( I hate to spend $ ) and find out I should of asked more Questions and could of been smarter about planning.

I have some items already and a budget in mind.

First this is what I want to use it for.

40% Store movies DVD's and Blu-Rays to play on 50" HDTV.

40% Game play FPS and arcade racing.

20% Avid HD editing and Adobe CS4 flash and photoshop, dreamweaver etc.


asking alot but this is what I have.

1. WD caviar hard drive 1 TB * 2 each
2. EVGA GTX 560 Overclocked edition *2 each to run SLI
3.LG blu-ray burner.
4.ASUS Sonus 7.1 sound card

I was going to build a media center and thought I would go big and game and edit all in one.

I plan to overclock the procesor and thinking about water cooling the cpu and GTX.

The only item I can say I am ready to add is the processor INTEL i7 2600K 3.4

Looking at ASUS P8X68 Delux gen 3 motherboard. But not sure.

Also will use a SS primary drive maybe a corsair 120 gig.

I have around $1750 in my the remainder give or take. Welcome suggestions .
need help fast .
I'll be home next week and this will only give me a week to get it mostly together and start the build .

I go away for work again and want to have it ready for Christmas for when I my kids come home for two weeks.

I do have a Micro Center a hour away and they have quite a bit instock.

Thanks everyone.
Approximate Purchase Date: (next week to begin build)

Budget Range: ($1750.00)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (Gaming 50%, Watching & burning movies 30% , Running CS4 20% )

Parts Not Required: (What I have now:EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1463-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130664



Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (Micro Center & New Egg & FrozenCPU)

Country: (Good Old USA)

Parts Preferences: ( Intel for CPU , Corsair for SSD & Memory)

Overclocking: Yes 5.0

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Monitor Resolution: ( will also output to 50" panasonic G20 for movies 1920x1080)

here is what I'm thinking
CPU Top Choice: Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623i72700K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115095

CPU Bottom Choice:Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115070

Case Full Tower:Thermaltake Level 10 GT (VN10001W2N) Black Steel SECC / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case with Four Fans-1x 200mm Colorshift side fan, 1x 200mm Colorshift top fan, 1x 200mm Colorshift front fan and 1x 140mm rear fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811133188

CPU Coolerrolimatech PRO-GNSS Genesis CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835242007

CPU Cooler Fans: ( for above ) Scythe Kama Flow 2 120mm case fan 900RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835185148

SSD:Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F120GB3A-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820233206

Memory:CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820233184

MotherboardASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131760
choice2:GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128499

Power Supply:SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151102
Video Cards:choice1:MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III PE/OC GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814127582
Choice2:ASUS ENGTX580 DCII/2DIS/1536MD5 GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121429


I am thinking about selling the EVGA 560's they are new in the box unused.I have $350 tied up in them so far.I could buy a single 570 or 580 and go SLI in a few months or stay with them now and go SLI with a newer version upgrade in a year. I rather spend more money on motherboard and cpu and build around it.Swapping out a card in the future is no issue because it can be done in little time.

My main focus is to run FPS and Arcade Racing like Need for Speed out put to my 50 plasma and if I could find the money go to triple monitors and triple VGU in a year or so.

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Anonymous
November 20, 2011 1:26:22 AM

First off, nice idea so far, and wow I thought the extreme tech'ies would've jumped on this post like cheetahs on an antelope by now....

-I'd agree that you should choose water cooling. Since you probably aren't going after just looks, I'd say to get a closed loop kit, like the H100 (around $100). It's pre-filled and doesn't need any maintenance, unless you want to add on some heavy fans to get a little better temperatures. It literally takes 5 minutes for anybody to install one. If your up for it, you can build your own loop, which will be a little bit pricier. FrozenCPU and sidewindercomputers have a nice selection of kits and parts to start you off.

-Also, if your going to buy 560's in SLI, I don't think it's worth it getting the gen 3 motherboard unless you want to upgrade a little bit down the road.

That's my 2 cents on this post, I'm sorry I'm not knowledgeable enough to help you out further, but I wish you best of luck on your awesome machine your building.
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November 20, 2011 5:25:57 AM

Thanks, I have the 560's got them as a pair new for $330.Decided that it was cheaper than going to a single 580 by quite a bit and the performance would of been only a little bit better.Leaning towards the Gen 3 so I will have more options later on.Motherboard does have me reading a lot so I can choose intellengtly.I'm going over the watercooling forum tomorrow and FrozenCPU to put together the watercooling part of the system.
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a c 221 V Motherboard
November 20, 2011 6:12:54 AM

Water cooling won't gain ya anything, especially the self contained thingies like the Corsair H series. Kinda like buying a Ferrari to go 2.5 miles to work on a 30 mph road.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Corsair H50 73.1
Coolit Vantage A.L.C. (extreme) 73.0
Prolimatech Super Mega 67.2
Antec K├╝hler H2O 620 65.9
Corsair H70 (high) 65.3
Thermalright Venomous X 63.0
Thermalright Silver Arrow 61.8
Cooler Master V6 GT 61.2

The V6GT and the H70 were noted in the review for the amount of noise generated

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t's almost ironic that [air] coolers like this are becoming available just as processors transition to designs that may ultimately render them unnecessary; even overclocked to 5GHz, an Intel Sandy Bridge 2600K doesn't need anywhere near this level of cooling.


1. WD caviar hard drive 1 TB * 2 each .... if ya got em, fine, good drives, but for your usage I'd be buying Barracuda XT's (ones w/ 5 year warranty) when price comes back down to earth.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

2. EVGA GTX 560 Overclocked edition *2 each to run SLI - I'd opt for the Asus model .... installed 10 to date....every one broke 1000Mhz, only 1 req'd a voltage tweak. But that was yesterday, now there's the new 560/570 hybrid named the 560-448 coming out Nov 29
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21520/nvidia_s_geforce_gt...

3.LG blu-ray burner - whatever is on sale that day .... I usally wind upo w/ the Asus

4.ASUS Sonus 7.1 sound card - on board sound should serve just fine.

BTW, the two 560's are 40% faster than the single 580 ....and the new ones coming out in 9 days even more so.

OK, now o spend your other $1750 :) 

$463 Case / Fans / PSU - this to fit the "because I want to feel like I did something worthwhile building a really cool & awesome PC." description ... read why:
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Case - $ 290 - Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fan - $ 12 - Thermaltake Blue120 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $ 160 - Corsair HX850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2nd Choice Antec 1200V3 or DF-85 w/ CP-850 (also 10,o performance rated by jonnyguru)

$518 MoBo / CPU
MoBo - $ 210 - ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $ 220 - Intel Core i5-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $ 83 - Thermalright Silver Arrow http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11676/cpu-tri-77/Ther...
TIM - $ 5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Unless you jumping into video editing in CS4/5, Id stick with the 2500k, if ya go there, why not the 2700k ?

$62 Memory
RAM - $ 62 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair White CAS 8 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


$578 SSD / Optical
SSD - $ 470 - 240 GB Vertex 3 Max IOPS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $ 58 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Card Reader $ 50 AeroCool FP-01 55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That's only $1621....yeah no need for a 240 GB SSD but ya had lotta money left over :) 

Upgrade Mouse and KB ?

Keyboard - $ 95 - Logitech G510 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $ 60 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If ya need anew monitor, drop to a 120 GB SSD and grab this 120 Hz job

Monitor $ 290 ASUS VG236HE Black 23" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 20, 2011 9:38:28 AM

Great responce, I could sell the pair of 560 EVGA I have and go to the new 560/570,

The 2700 vs 2600 ,I will have to read up and see was the advantage would be.

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November 20, 2011 2:46:40 PM

I agree with water cooling not necessary. I will put it towards a better video card. Leaning towards a 570 or 580.Depends on the sale price of the two 560's.I'll aso look athe the hybrid 560/570 on the 29th
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Anonymous
November 20, 2011 4:40:07 PM

captjoe said:
Water cooling won't gain ya anything, especially the self contained thingies like the Corsair H series. Kinda like buying a Ferrari to go 2.5 miles to work on a 30 mph road.


This is a false analogy if I've ever seen one.
I don't know how he made this up but this not true at all. Any gaming you will be doing with any given graphics card will become hot. And obviously to extend your card's lifetime you want to bring down it's temps. SLI has known to be a lot hotter too. I'll try to give you a few ideas and options on what you'd like, not something that's on my wishlist.

-My suggestion is that if you don't plan on doing much overclocking, just buy a XSPC RASA RS360/RX360 kit for < $200 and add on a 240 or 360 radiator for your GPUs. It is nice to have your hardware last instead of having to buy new parts in 2-3 years because your dusty air cooling made your GPU/CPU overheat. It also depends on your case's basic air flow. Honestly though, it's all up to you on what you want to do. The water cooling idea will really bring out the "because I want to feel like I did something worthwhile building a really cool & awesome PC" in you.

-Just remember if you choose it, and you decide to use UV coolant or colored fluid, be prepared to change it out every 4-6 months. Distilled water with a Silver Coil or PTnuke is what I believe to be the best.

-Now for the 560's, no point to sell them. $330 is an amazing deal. You should be easily able to max out any game out there on 1920x1080.

-And on the 2600k vs the 2700k (k is an extra $10 or so but has unlocked overclocking abilities), it's all up to you really, your pretty much asking yourself is it worth the extra $60-$70? In my opinion, for all that your doing on your computer, I'd say so.

-Pretty much any full tower case will be nice. The Level 10 GT case is great, but I have no clue why he's showing you the Snow edition, which is $290 + $25 shipping, the regular black Level 10 GT case is only $200, and they're practically identical. My personal favorite is the HAF-X 942, I've seen it in action and it has some nice cooling from the beginning. But like I said, there's a lot of nice full tower cases that have their small ups and downs.

-For the keyboard he mentioned, the Logitech G150, it's a very nice keyboard, used it before, it has many bells and whistles that fit you. Media control, (volume, playback, etc.), an LCD to control/view all of your system temps, etc. right when you need it. The only thing I dislike is the tall keys. if you have large hands and are not precise, typing may take time to get used to. I took a default Dell keyboard that came with my old factory built PC over a nice $75 gaming keyboard all because the Dell has very flat keys.

-Most of the choosing should be left for you to decide, because it sucks when biased ideas are put into your head and you buy something that you instantly notice you don't like, or something that doesn't fit you. I hope I've helped you on deciding what to buy, and as for water cooling, that is up to you.
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November 20, 2011 5:20:12 PM

The water cooling idea will really bring out the "because I want to feel like I did something worthwhile building a really cool & awesome PC" in you.

Yes, this is what I was looking for in suggestions, to help me getting various ideas in putting this together.I'm sure either way air or water it would be a great machine. I like the idea of water cooling if nothing else for the wow factor for myself when its done nad works.

Motherboard has be spining in circls.

ASUS , ASrock , gigabite ????
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November 20, 2011 5:21:26 PM

The water cooling idea will really bring out the "because I want to feel like I did something worthwhile building a really cool & awesome PC" in you.

Yes, this is what I was looking for in suggestions, to help me getting various ideas in putting this together.I'm sure either way air or water it would be a great machine. I like the idea of water cooling if nothing else for the wow factor for myself when its done and works.

Motherboard has my head spinning in circles with choices.

want SLI capable 2 for sure maybe tri later

usb 3.O

is Nvida 200 important?

ASUS , ASrock , gigabite ????
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Anonymous
November 20, 2011 8:10:50 PM

The fact that water cooling gives you that "ahh...... mission accomplished" feeling once you spend your time setting it up, is all of the reason to get one.

-About SLI and Tri-SLI, there has many problems with Tri-SLI, such as driver issues, compatibility with games, etc. I think that your two 560's will be perfectly fine for years to come.

-You have a couple of choices here (not all, but the obvious):
1.You can buy a board with 2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots that supports just SLI, and save a little money rather than buying the gen 3. Because it seems like you need to have Ivy Bridge CPUs (release in Jan. 2012) to actually use the PCI-E 3.0.... The idea board to buy would be Asus or ASrock, maybe Gigabyte but they seem to have a lot of DOA and boot loop issues, but nice amount of bells and whistles. Once again, based on mainly what you want. This is a good option if you don't feel like upgrading for a few years.

2.You can buy a gen3 board to future-proof your computer, with PCI-E 3.0 slots, that your 560's will work in (but only at PCI-E 2.0 until you have an Ivy Bridge CPU), and have your 2600k or 2700k in it. Then down the road, possibly 6 months from now, you can buy a nice Ivy Bridge CPU, and one of AMD's high-end cards that release in Jan. 2012. These are the 7950, and the 7970, which will a lot faster than previous cards. This is a good option if you want to spend a little more money for new generation hardware.

3.or... you can wait til January 2012 and save about $300-$380 not buying the 2600k or 2700k and just go with a gen3 board and Ivy Bridge CPU. Then you can take advantage of the PCI-E 3.0 and possibly upgrade your graphics cards with gtx 600 series from Nvidia or 7000 series from AMD.

Asus vs. ASrock vs Gigabyte? My opinion is Asus > ASrock > Gigabyte and here's why:
Gigabyte has some very nice features, making everything easier but they seem to have a lot of problems such as boot loop issues. Don't get me wrong, Gigabyte has a very nice selection of boards, just that if you want to risk going through problems in the future. ASrock I don't have much knowledge about, but they have very affordable boards, saving you a bit of cash compared to others. The downside is that they're features seem to be a little bland compared to the other two. I believe that Asus comes out on top because of their reliability on their boards, and their easy-to-use features. Overall they are a great choice. I see people complain about Customer Service for all three being "non-existent," and others saying all three are great. I'll leave that one for you to decide.

-For the three, you may have other thoughts/ideas, it's based on what you really want for yourself. You should look up video reviews on SATA connections/usb 3.0 ports/fan connectors/locations of other useful things/etc.

If you do choose to go for "option 2" or "option 3" that I stated above, you might want to check out these gen3 boards that have PCI-E 3.0 and figure out which one suites you. -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

MSI also has gen3 boards, they just didn't show up on that search, you can also check them out.
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a c 221 V Motherboard
November 21, 2011 11:44:39 PM

Anonymous said:
This is a false analogy if I've ever seen one.
I don't know how he made this up but this not true at all. Any gaming you will be doing with any given graphics card will become hot. And obviously to extend your card's lifetime you want to bring down it's temps. SLI has known to be a lot hotter too. I'll try to give you a few ideas and options on what you'd like, not something that's on my wishlist.


What does a Corsair H series (included as part of the original unedited build) do for video cards ?

On a side note, I haven't had an air cooled 560 SLI build break 82C ..... well within the manufacturer's recommended range....and this overclocked to over 1000 MHz (25%).
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November 22, 2011 3:13:28 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
What does a Corsair H series (included as part of the original unedited build) do for video cards ?

On a side note, I haven't had an air cooled 560 SLI build break 82C ..... well within the manufacturer's recommended range....and this overclocked to over 1000 MHz (25%).


I was just giving him the idea if he didn't want to build his own loop he could buy a pre-build one, which I don't like too much.

And for your 560 SLI, even though the manufacturer gives you a temperature range for the cards, doesn't mean you should run your cards that hot. Water cooling them and keeping them below 60C, hell maybe even 50C on 100% load will help them last saving you money in the long run.
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November 25, 2011 3:03:46 AM

Best answer selected by captjoe.
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