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October 24, 2010 2:08:32 PM

I'm designing my own computer and I'm trying to decide between ATI and NVIDIA. I know there is a price difference, but I've only used NVIDIA cards to date. I'm leaning towards the GTX 460-70 models, What's ATI's equivalent, or is there one?

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October 24, 2010 2:16:09 PM

sahall91 said:
I'm designing my own computer and I'm trying to decide between ATI and NVIDIA. I know there is a price difference, but I've only used NVIDIA cards to date. I'm leaning towards the GTX 460-70 models, What's ATI's equivalent, or is there one?


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:March 2011

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: 750w P/S No GPUyet

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS:Undecided on CPU so either NVIDIA nforce for an AMD or an X58 Mobo

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:Newegg, TigerDirect, Amazon
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:U.S.


OVERCLOCKING: Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION:1920x1080i (32 in LCD)
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October 24, 2010 2:16:18 PM
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These:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 6850 outperforms the 460 1 gig by about 5-10% and costs $20 less, 6870 loses to the 470 by about 7%, however costs less, as well as doesnt produce nearly as much heat or use nearly as much energy. Also since these were released less than a week ago, they will likely gain 5-10% performance within the next month due to drivers.
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October 24, 2010 2:31:22 PM

I could see still getting a GTX 470 if you really don't care about power efficiency/heat and are going to give it a healthy OC but other than that the HD6850 or HD6870 are the way to go.
The GTX 460 768mb is also still a decent buy if that is a price area you are considering.
October 24, 2010 2:33:41 PM

$150: 460 768MB --- no ATi equivalent
$180: 460 1G ------- HD 6850,
$240: 470 ----------- HD 6870

at $150, its definitely 460-768MB, others, I would go with AMD/ATi. For less power draw and eyefinity, since they perform similar.
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October 24, 2010 2:34:32 PM

jyjjy said:
I could see still getting a GTX 470 if you really don't care about power efficiency/heat and are going to give it a healthy OC but other than that the HD6850 or HD6870 are the way to go.
The GTX 460 768mb is also still a decent buy if that is a price area you are considering.


768mb is suppose to beat the 6850 by 1% as far as perf/$, so i do agree with it, however i wouldnt recommend it above 16x10 due to low memory, it takes a hit at higher res and AA. If you have 19x10 or 19x12, id go with the 6850/6870. We do have to consider the fact neither has voltage control, so overclocking is up in the air, and that drivers will come. In a month, they should be quite a bit better, but thats how every new card is. Most people forget fermi had sub 58xx scaling right when they were released, or atleast they tied it. I remember at release, 3x 5870 would beat 3x 480. Now look at it :lol: 
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October 24, 2010 2:39:40 PM

Neither what has voltage control?
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October 24, 2010 2:40:48 PM

jyjjy said:
Neither what has voltage control?


Everybody is using MSI Afterburner to test the 6870 and 6850, MSI afterburner doesnt support their voltage control yet, and therefore people cant control voltage. Those who have been able to by other means have gotten some nice OC's apparently.
October 24, 2010 2:48:39 PM

This is a stupid question, but nvidia's dont work better or worse with intels or AMD's and vice versa for ATI? I seem to ussualy see ATI and AMD paired together and Intel and Nvidia.
October 24, 2010 2:53:14 PM

sahall91 said:
This is a stupid question, but nvidia's dont work better or worse with intels or AMD's and vice versa for ATI? I seem to ussualy see ATI and AMD paired together and Intel and Nvidia.

i dont think so.

I don't think those reviews are using different CPUs for A/N cards.
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October 24, 2010 2:55:17 PM

ares1214 said:
Everybody is using MSI Afterburner to test the 6870 and 6850, MSI afterburner doesnt support their voltage control yet, and therefore people cant control voltage. Those who have been able to by other means have gotten some nice OC's apparently.

That's different from saying the cards don't have voltage control. They do and I'm sure the next update of Afterburner will handle them fine.
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October 24, 2010 2:59:45 PM

sahall91 said:
This is a stupid question, but nvidia's dont work better or worse with intels or AMD's and vice versa for ATI? I seem to ussualy see ATI and AMD paired together and Intel and Nvidia.

No, the kind of processor doesn't matter at all. In fact people used to assume the opposite a few years ago when most AMD chipsets were made by Nvidia and AMD hadn't bought ATI yet. The only consideration is that you aren't going to find any motherboards for AMD processors that can SLI except for ones that still use Nvidia chipsets and those are generally considered inferior at this point.
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October 24, 2010 3:05:27 PM

sahall91 said:
This is a stupid question, but nvidia's dont work better or worse with intels or AMD's and vice versa for ATI? I seem to ussualy see ATI and AMD paired together and Intel and Nvidia.


Nvidia doesnt always work as well with AMD, but AMD and Nvidia work just as well with Intel.
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October 24, 2010 3:06:10 PM

Actually I'm sure there are going to be some new Barts that don't have voltage control, because they are using direct components from custom 5850's.
There are some like the Asus and the Saphire model TPU tested that do have voltage control, they used a more expensive exploitable voltage ic.
Someone will have to work out a list.
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October 24, 2010 3:06:10 PM

jyjjy said:
That's different from saying the cards don't have voltage control. They do and I'm sure the next update of Afterburner will handle them fine.


Lack of voltage control via software or lack of voltage control period, same thing IMO.
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October 24, 2010 3:48:40 PM

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I kind of feel the same way, why is that the case to you.?
seriously.


No, but not all AMD boards support SLI, and just a few other things. AMD+AMD and Intel+either one is generally advantageous in my experiences currently.
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October 24, 2010 9:27:08 PM

ares1214 said:
Lack of voltage control via software or lack of voltage control period, same thing IMO.
IMO your O is nuts then :p 
Having to wait a short time for software that can use a feature is very different from not having the feature at all. If someone had given you an HD6850 3 months ago but you had no drivers that made it functional would you just have thrown it in the garbage?
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October 24, 2010 9:28:39 PM

ares1214 said:
Nvidia doesnt always work as well with AMD
This is based on what?
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October 24, 2010 10:00:06 PM

jyjjy said:
IMO your O is nuts then :p 
Having to wait a short time for software that can use a feature is very different from not having the feature at all. If someone had given you an HD6850 3 months ago but you had no drivers that made it functional would you just have thrown it in the garbage?


Of course not, but its like having a gun with no bullets or no gun at all. Effectively the same thing. But we are arguing over wording...
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October 24, 2010 10:01:03 PM

jyjjy said:
This is based on what?


Quite a few AMD boards dont have SLI support, and in my experiences with a 8800 and a 955, i had more problems than a 4890 than a 955.
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October 24, 2010 10:11:21 PM

Its ok, it can help the OP sometimes if someone words something very wrong. Technology is technical, even in grammar ;) 
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October 24, 2010 10:14:47 PM

Using words poorly is often the equivalent of giving out bad information. If a person coming here for advice reads a card "doesn't have voltage control" or that "the GT 240 is smoother than the 9800GT" they are very likely to take it at face value and both are incorrect. When I see people handing out bad information I speak up. If you have an issue with this then it is problem of your own, not mine.
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October 24, 2010 10:20:34 PM

jyjjy said:
Using words poorly is often the equivalent of giving out bad information. If a person coming here for advice reads a card "doesn't have voltage control" or that "the GT 240 is smoother than the 9800GT" they are very likely to take it at face value and both are incorrect. When I see people handing out bad information I speak up. If you have an issue with this then it is problem of your own, not mine.


Calm down. All im getting at is that the inability to control voltage currently is the same as having none at all currently. No need to read into it that much.
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October 24, 2010 10:27:21 PM

Who isn't calm? I know and knew from the start what you were saying but the way you said it was misleading to the less informed. So I spelled out the difference between the real situation regarding the voltage control on the cards and the likely interpretation of your phrasing because the difference in quite important IMO. Not sure why you came back acting like having to wait for the next update of Afterburner is exactly the same as a card not having voltage control at all rather than agreeing with me but whatever.
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October 24, 2010 10:41:59 PM

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OK OK - sing it with me one time......

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

:lol: 


I completely botched the tune on that one up :sarcastic: 

Kum bai ya my lord! Kum bai ya! (swaying holding hands)
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October 24, 2010 10:44:44 PM

Kumbaya just doesn't have the necessary star power to bring about world peace
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October 24, 2010 10:56:23 PM

I'm with jyjjy on this one. An initial statement like "The new HD68xx cards don't have voltage control available in current software, but hopefully that will change soon" would have made more sense than just to saying that they don't have it.
Another thing to consider is PhysX. If you want it, then only nVidia offers that in a single card solution. Using an AMD graphics card with an nVidia card for PhysX requires playing driver games.
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October 24, 2010 11:03:01 PM

Physx is Nvidia only, CUDA as well, but the AMD cards have their own exclusive advantages like support for up to 6 monitors using one card and the new anti-aliasing mode(MLAA) which looks quite impressive and has a very small performance hit.
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October 25, 2010 12:01:45 AM

CUDA is good. Physx less so. However AMD is rolling out some things that might actually do some damage to the 2. APP, and i believe they are working on some sort of accelerator.
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October 25, 2010 12:14:35 AM

ares1214 said:
CUDA is good. Physx less so. However AMD is rolling out some things that might actually do some damage to the 2. APP, and i believe they are working on some sort of accelerator.

I'm still waiting to see the physics implementation that they've supposedly working on for the last few years.
January 2, 2011 1:16:58 AM

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January 2, 2011 12:21:44 PM

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