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Upgrading from ATI X850 for WoW - $700 Budget

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October 26, 2010 1:42:05 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: this week BUDGET RANGE: USD $750, but open to more (within reason - $1,500 max) to get the experience I want.

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (Gaming - WoW Only - watching movies, HD FRAPS capture of WoW dungeon battles.)

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: ATI Radeon X850, 750W PSU

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: Intel Pentium D 3.2Ghz 800FSB, MoBo - ASUS P2WD5 Premium, 2GB RAM memory; XP x64, but upgrading to Win7 soon

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: No preference

PARTS PREFERENCES: None

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe? Novice user on overclocking and don't want to break it. SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe?

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: The ATI RAEDON X850 series card just doesn't cut the mustard anymore for WoW. WoW is all I play, but I want to experience it as the top level of the experience. I want to be able to run the game on full on ultra settings and still get 60 FPS in 40 man Wintergrasp encounters (If that is even possible). I also want to be able to capture some encounters in HD.

I've looked at the ATI 5970, and I see there is a new 6870, but some of the reviews have been less than stellar. Some people swear by dual GPUs in Crossfire config.

So in short, what card(s) will get me what I am looking for? Do I need to make changes to my system as well?

I greatly appreciate everyone's input, especially from WoW players.

Edited to put in form I found after posting. :) 
October 26, 2010 2:04:49 PM

Dude seriously? For that resolution, and ONLY playing wow is total overkillbwith a card that powerful. You said your max budget is 1500$ US? For that price you can built a system that will tear WOW to shreds.

A 5970 or new radeon 6900 gpu at that resolution will have such a severe CPU/RAM bottleneck it's not even funny. Is your psu generic or brand name?

Basically what I'm saying is--do a whole system upgrade, and dint blow 700$ on a gpu that will be crippled by your system.

If you make this decision, open a new thread and I will help you price out a build.
October 26, 2010 2:06:00 PM

I used to play WoW, quit 4 months ago :) 

I assume you are only looking for a GPU upgrade. In that case you really don't need more than something like a Radeon 5770/6850. For the NVIDIA side GTS450/GTX460 768MB or 1GB would be enough. 5970 would be WAY overkill for WoW and especially your weak system. Pentium D is getting very old. It might be a better idea to invest in a complete new machine.

Since you got 750$ to spend you could get something along Phenom II X4 955/4GB DDR3/6850. CrossFire is absolutely not necessary for WoW. Just get a nice and quick 3-4 core CPU (Athlon II, Phenom II, i5-750) and a decent mid-high range single GPU.

Again, do not spend more than ~200-250 USD on a GPU for WoW.
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October 26, 2010 4:36:12 PM

Since your current cpu is just pent.D then i wouldn't suggest anything higher than HD5670...
But, if you have $750 then BUILD a whole new system, buddy... :) 
October 26, 2010 6:05:03 PM

Build new. That's q half decent combo, but if you feel comfortable building yourself then base it around this:
Core i5-760 ~200$
4gb ddr3 ram ~75$
750W psu ~100$
Crossfire/sli motherboard ~125$
2 GTX 460 768MB cards ~350$
Put it in a case like the antec 300 or 900
And add your other components and you'll be set
October 26, 2010 10:03:01 PM

reignsupreme11 said:
Build new. That's q half decent combo, but if you feel comfortable building yourself then base it around this:
Core i5-760 ~200$
4gb ddr3 ram ~75$
750W psu ~100$
Crossfire/sli motherboard ~125$
2 GTX 460 768MB cards ~350$
Put it in a case like the antec 300 or 900
And add your other components and you'll be set



I put this together on Newegg. Do you think this does the trick?

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October 26, 2010 10:24:58 PM

You really don't need SLI for WoW.
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October 26, 2010 11:58:05 PM

zamn10210 said:
You really don't need SLI for WoW.


agreed, if anything it can cause more issues. SLI/CF has had many issues in the past
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October 27, 2010 12:01:31 AM

Reddrumjay said:
I put this together on Newegg. Do you think this does the trick?

Newegg Wist List


i would go with a single ATI 6870, 5870 or GTX 470. WoW really likes two fast cores and tends to prefer Nvidia cards (still ATI can handle it just fine)
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October 27, 2010 12:46:15 AM

Agree with people above, go with single powerful card like HD6870 or GTX470. Single card gives you less problem than dual setup cards... :) 
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October 27, 2010 12:56:43 AM

Yep... SLI/CF is a fail. For WoW that is. like ct said, a 6870, 5870 or 470 should do. But why not a 460 or 6850?
October 27, 2010 9:03:46 AM

Might I add that aiming for 60 fps in a full Wintergrasp battle on ultra is highly unrealistic? My 4890/X3 720 was already enough to handle any situation WOTLK could throw at me at ultra (except for a shadows, those were 1 notch above mininum because it's current implentation isn't very efficient). Yeah at a full WG battle FPS would dip below 20 for some moments but most of the time it's smooth sailing and VERY playable.

So just get yourself a nice and quick CPU with high clockspeed (WoW seems to like that alot) and a quick mid/high range single GPU like HD6850, HD6870 or GTX460 (either version). I'd recommend the Radeon cards after reading tons of reviews but WoW does seem to favor GeForce cards a tiny little bit. Reason not to use SLI or CF is that in the past people have not been seeing any worthwhile improvements running dual GPU. Even a 2GPU-on-1-card like 4870X2 wouldn't have a significant performance increase over a single 4870. *I have no idea if this is still the case though, it was less than a year ago last time I checked!*
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October 27, 2010 9:28:05 AM

Since this last patch wow has gotten a lot more intensive. Water has been reworked, and looks a million times better. Added in sun shafts, and a bit extra on the shadows.

Currently, even at off hrs i'm getting about ~52 fps in Dalaran. GPU usage usually isn't that high though. But it can get up to about 80% or so. I still think wow is cpu bottlenecked. WTB more then 2core support.

My hardware specs are i7 930@4.011ghz, 6gb 1600mhz ddr3, and a gtx 470.

EDIT: Thought i'd mention that prior to the last patch i'd get about 90ish fps under the same conditions in Dalaran. And wouldn't drop much below 60 fps even when it got busy.
October 27, 2010 7:29:10 PM

lucuis said:
Since this last patch wow has gotten a lot more intensive. Water has been reworked, and looks a million times better. Added in sun shafts, and a bit extra on the shadows.

Currently, even at off hrs i'm getting about ~52 fps in Dalaran. GPU usage usually isn't that high though. But it can get up to about 80% or so. I still think wow is cpu bottlenecked. WTB more then 2core support.

My hardware specs are i7 930@4.011ghz, 6gb 1600mhz ddr3, and a gtx 470.

EDIT: Thought i'd mention that prior to the last patch i'd get about 90ish fps under the same conditions in Dalaran. And wouldn't drop much below 60 fps even when it got busy.



I guess this is what I was getting at more than anything else - what do I need since the specs for Cata have pushed GPU requirements beyond what they have been through WotLK due to the dynamic shadows, water, sunshafts, DX11 requirements, etc...
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October 27, 2010 7:51:02 PM

Reddrumjay said:
I guess this is what I was getting at more than anything else - what do I need since the specs for Cata have pushed GPU requirements beyond what they have been through WotLK due to the dynamic shadows, water, sunshafts, DX11 requirements, etc...


didn't we answer this already with our recommendations?

October 27, 2010 7:59:08 PM

single 6870 is my vote. if you want to put the extra cash grab yourself an i7-950 and corresponding motherboard and RAM to accompany it. i get the feeling that money
isn't really a huge object if you were willing to spend over 1000$ on graphics alone.

oh and add in a 1TB hard drive, that 60GB SSD won't be enough for all your data
October 27, 2010 8:56:26 PM

reignsupreme11 said:
single 6870 is my vote. if you want to put the extra cash grab yourself an i7-950 and corresponding motherboard and RAM to accompany it. i get the feeling that money
isn't really a huge object if you were willing to spend over 1000$ on graphics alone.

oh and add in a 1TB hard drive, that 60GB SSD won't be enough for all your data



Agree on 6870 at this point. The reviews on the GTX 470 all say it is really loud. The SSD is to replace a 40GB 10K rpm drive that runs the OS. 60 GB will let me add some apps. I already have a 500 GB drive and a 320 GB drive - no need to re-invent the wheel there.

Contemplating the i7. It is looking like more CPU gives you a lot of bang for your buck where Wow is concerned.


@ct - I was just thinking I should have stipulated my request was based on the new the requirements for Cataclysm since dezze posted saying he quit woW 4 months ago.

Thanks for your help everyone! Now to figure out the MoBo/CPU/Memory specs...
October 27, 2010 9:01:52 PM

Hah yeah sorry I didn't think of the slightly increased requirements since patch 4.0. GL on building your new pc :) 

6870 is a great choice indeed!
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October 27, 2010 9:03:46 PM

Reddrumjay said:


@ct - I was just thinking I should have stipulated my request was based on the new the requirements for Cataclysm since dezze posted saying he quit woW 4 months ago.

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"i would go with a single ATI 6870, 5870 or GTX 470. WoW really likes two fast cores and tends to prefer Nvidia cards (still ATI can handle it just fine)"

all DX11 cards that support the latest DX11 in changes for WoW with Cataclysm :D 

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