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3D 120 mhz display - without ghosting?

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October 27, 2010 9:37:41 AM

Hello all!

So I got a Samsung SM2233RZ, thinking how cool it would be to play Fallout3 in REAL 3D!!

I was VERY disappointed with the screen and am now in the process of sending this screen back.

I have read lots of good reviews on this screen (as a simple monitor), but then I found an issue with ghosting (where left and right images are not clearing quickly enough) which was REALLY bad on this screen! Looking around for the terms SM2233RZ and Ghosting and founds lots of complaints with no resolution. :cry: 

Shame as it has so much potential.

So..... my question is:

Anyone make a recomendation for a 120mhz screen that is good for Nvidia 3D?

BTW:
EVGA GeForce GTX 470 Superclocked 1280MB, with an XPS 630i PC. 4gb ram, 2.4ghz quad core. And vista today, but I just got my Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade DVD at last. :sarcastic: 
a b U Graphics card
October 27, 2010 12:01:54 PM

A higher refresh rate means more frames are being drawn to the screen per second. As such, you need a moniter that also has a low Response Time (The time it takes a pixel to physically change state). For a 120Hz LCD, anything above 2ms is frankly, too slow on average. [Most 3d moniters still use 5ms, which simply isn't fast enough]. You're moniter "claims" 3ms in 3d mode, but given the 2d number of 5ms, I wouldn't be trusting that too much...

Hence, why I favor CRT technology; its far superior to LCD when it comes to high refresh rates.
October 27, 2010 12:17:14 PM

But much more desk space huh?

Ok, I guess it's time I returned the 3D Glasses too.

I don't think we are ready for this yet.

Sigh!
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a c 125 U Graphics card
October 27, 2010 12:21:15 PM

you may want to look into the ACER GD245HQ, I've been using one for about a month now and I don't have anything bad to say about it at all, The picture quality is amazing and I haven't noticed any ghosting at all, mind you I haven't used nVidia's 3D vision technology with it yet so I cant comment on its 3D performance.
October 27, 2010 12:23:12 PM

LOL that's kind of my point.

The SM2233RZ was amazing UNTIL I used the 3D vision.

I kind of needed to know what was good while actually using this tech.
October 27, 2010 1:32:25 PM

Hey thanks for the link, and sorry to see there are still tons of people out there complaining about ghosting on that Acer!

Ok, I'm giving up for now, I'm returning both monitor and glasses both.

It's simply not ready yet, and that totally sucks.

Apparently the Alienware 3D screen can cope, but that's WAY too much money for me.

I think I'll just have to wait for two more years, and see if things move on then.

Sigh...... :cry:  :(  :pfff: 
a c 125 U Graphics card
October 27, 2010 1:40:09 PM

Sorry to hear that man : /.

Seems like either the technology just isn't there yet, or isn't affordable.
October 27, 2010 1:45:13 PM

I'd say the Asus, LG and BenQ are all really good options, way better then the Samsung and Viewsonic, and better then the Acer.
November 2, 2010 12:41:56 PM

Ok, I've had a change of heart.

The BenQ XL2410T looks exciting. Waiting on a review of it.

One question though, I saw someone said on a video review of NVidia 3D vision you need a dual link DVI cable??? Does that mean a DVI cable with one plug at one one end and two at the other? It this needed for the 3D to run fast enough??? Confussed!!!
a c 125 U Graphics card
November 2, 2010 12:48:48 PM

A dual link DVI cable enables you to have 120Hz, one usually comes with any 3D ready monitor. Its like a normal cable, it has one plug at one end and another at the other end.
November 2, 2010 12:52:28 PM

Ok gotcha! Phew!

Thought I'd drop the ball and used the wrong cable and that was why I had issues with the Samsung.

I feel better now, as I used the cable supplied with the screen.
a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2010 12:53:13 PM

Samsung and Viewsonic make some of the best monitors, better then LG and BenQ usually.
November 2, 2010 1:05:37 PM

Good to hear an opinion from the other side of the fence there. Thank you.

I don't think this is the case on Stereoscopic 3D on the 2233RZ. The response time is too low on the 2233RZ. So I had to send it back as I got Ghosting effect.

Apparently the BenQ will offer a 2ms response, and that's good.... if it's true! as there will be little or no ghosting. But I won't know for sure until someone tries it out.

Hence I am waiting for someone to offer a review of the BenQ used with the 3D vision. In other words, I don't want to but based on PR again. :) 
a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2010 2:32:52 PM

Quote:
Apparently the BenQ will offer a 2ms response, and that's good.... if it's true! as there will be little or no ghosting. But I won't know for sure until someone tries it out.


Again, remember that when using 3d, you are drawing TWICE as many frames. Hence why some moniters are great...right until you half the time between needing to draw a new image. Hence, why 3D is less likely to suceede now then it was 20 years ago, as moniter tech has gotten significantly worse. [Seriously, I'll take a 240Hz CRT with a .00001ms Response Time any day. Find a way to make them thin(er) already.]
November 2, 2010 4:30:55 PM

deweycd said:
Samsung and Viewsonic make some of the best monitors, better then LG and BenQ usually.


Not when it comes to 3D so far.
November 2, 2010 9:18:57 PM

OK well seeing as Benq have just bumped the price of the XL2410T for Chistmas (thanks again to commercialism by greedy companies at Christmas!) I'll be waiting until the new year to purchase a screen. Someone should have tried and tested the XL2410T on Stereo 3D, and written a review by then.
a b U Graphics card
November 2, 2010 11:01:45 PM

deweycd said:
Samsung and Viewsonic make some of the best monitors, better then LG and BenQ usually.

That may be your opinion. LG is one of the largest maker of LCD's, second to Samsung.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Display
Currently , Apple displays are made by LG
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