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Hey,
I'm about to upgrade my computer and I was wondering if what I want to get will be supportable on my current specs.

These are my current specs:

PSU: 550W

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600

RAM: 3GB DDR2

Motherboard: P5N32-SLI-SE-Deluxe

Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce 7950 GT

Harddrive: 500GB

and this is what I wish to get:

Motherboard: GA-H67M-UD2H
http://gigabyte.com/products/produ [...] id=3657#sp

CPU: either...
Intel Core i5 760 2.8GHz
(http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs / Processors/Intel Core i5/Intel Core i5 760 2.8GHz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156) Processor - Retail ?productId=40924)

or... Intel Core i3 540 3.06Ghz
(http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs / Processors/Intel Core i3/Intel Core i3 540 3.06Ghz (Clarkdale) (Socket LGA1156) Processor - Retail ?productId=39241

I'm aware that the i5 is better but if I get that it leaves me with no money so although I want it, I'm not entirely sure yet.

And lastly...

Graphics Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 460 AMP 1GB GDDR5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-GeForce-DDR5-Graphics-Card/dp/B00405EWOQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1293446603&sr=8-5)

what I want to know is will they be okay on my system, or... if there's any thing else I could get thats just as good which will allow me to play games on high settings, (One game is one thats not out till 2012, so need to be open about graphics requirements)
without paying to much, or going to AMD (can't stand AMD)

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Mainly I'm worried I need a new PSU, I know about RAM already and that I need to buy DDR3 forgot to mention that.

Reply to TheSchneid

Those processors won't fit in that motherboard, you picked a Sandy Bridge motherboard.

Also, 550 watts is way more than enough for a gtx 460.
What brand is your PSU though?

Reply to jaguarmatt
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Wait until you have the money for a PSU that is rate 200-300 watts above what you currently have spec'd out, which would allow a 2nd GTX460 in SLI in the future.
Opt for the i5 quad core if at all possible..

(reminder: newer i5 SandyBridges and socket 1155 mainboards out in a few weeks)

Reply to mdd1963

whats a Sandy Bridge Motherboard? whats the difference between a normal one?
and my PSU is Hec apparently.... no idea if thats good
and I'll buy one of the 750W PSU's in the future so I can do that =]
on one GTX 460, am I able to have 2 -3 monitors?

Reply to TheSchneid

Sandy Bridge is the codename for the new processor microarchitecture developed by Intel. U can find many articles about it by googling :)

Reply to sixthseven

AMD hater, why.?
it sounds like AMD is the way you need to go, $$.
I do like the nVidia card selection but not Zotac manufacturer..


Message edited by malmental on 12-27-2010 at 06:32:31 PM
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Reply to malmental

I'm an AMD hater cos all of the ones I've used have never worked sufficently well in my opinion... so yeah, I stay away from them.
and why not Zotac? I can get another manufacturer wouldn't bother me, that one just looks kool :P hah

and I see whats special about Sandy Bridge?

Reply to TheSchneid

so you picked your card because of looks huh.? do you at least have a clear panel screen to view the interior.?
if not then what's the point.?
anyways Zotac sux..
SB is a better technology and a break-through in terms of performance comparisons..


Message edited by malmental on 12-27-2010 at 07:39:07 PM
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Reply to malmental

nah I picked that card cos I know its pretty good, but that particular card manufacturor cos it looks kool aha xD
and there isn't any real point just like the look of it, and I don't currently, but once I've gotten it all upgraded going to invest in a nicer case.
and ohhh I see. I don't know to much about hardware... trying to compare my current things and what I may need takes me forever.

Reply to TheSchneid

soo... anyone got any suggestions as to what I can get?
I need something thats got good power... can use 32bit windows..
at least 4gb RAM...
Rather stuck... since noone has actually said what other ones I can get instead

Reply to TheSchneid

sandy bridge will be the new line from Intel to be launched 5 Jan 2011,overall performance has been greatly improved over the current available midrange hardware,i'd say wait till 5 Jan even if you dont buy a sandy bridge CPU the prices on the current i3,i5 and i7 hardware would like drop by a significant margin

Reply to obsidian86

do you know how much they would cost approximately?
How does everyone know that the Motherboard I had picked is Sandy Bridge anyhow?
I thought it was just the next model up from the basic ix motherboard range.

Reply to TheSchneid

TheSchneid wrote :

do you know how much they would cost approximately?
How does everyone know that the Motherboard I had picked is Sandy Bridge anyhow?
I thought it was just the next model up from the basic ix motherboard range.


prices are said to be similar to current options but with estimated 20% increase in performance across the board

 

and

  

info on socket LGA1155


Message edited by obsidian86 on 12-28-2010 at 11:01:50 PM
Reply to obsidian86

so where are we now in terms of what you are doing.?

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Reply to malmental

I checked up on the proccessor... and it supports the 1156 ix chips... soo it shouldn't matter

Reply to TheSchneid

and were up to why is Zotac not very good malmetal?
whats a better companies GTX 460 to go for?

Reply to TheSchneid

TheSchneid wrote :

I checked up on the proccessor... and it supports the 1156 ix chips... soo it shouldn't matter


nope it doesn,but get a 1156 board for the i5

http://gigabyte.com/products/produ [...] id=3436#ov

Reply to obsidian86

I was looking at the wrong motherboard aha xD
I'd rather have this one,...
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/189292
I think its a little bit better as it supports i3 as well
amd I might need to go i3 first the improve on it at a later date

Reply to TheSchneid

TheSchneid wrote :

and were up to why is Zotac not very good malmetal?
whats a better companies GTX 460 to go for?


i just sold off parts of a unit and I have the ASUS DirectCU GTX460 safely back in it's box in my dresser drawer....;)
and in the unit I run now i have the GTS450 MSI Cyclone, and there GTX460 models (MSI) are beastly as well.
ASUS - the best along with top EVGA units in overall quality
MSI - best in overclocking
zotac, plait, galaxy and especially sparkle can lay nothing but eggs as far as i'm concerned..

 

so now are we waiting for the SB LGA1155 board or are we getting LGA1156 that runs i3 and i5 options.?
and
FYI - if undecided about buying now then go bigger and get the LGA1366 i7 combo.
LGA1366 will be around for longer (LGA1156 already being replaced) and it will be stronger (slightly) than the newly released SB.
just mentioning my opinion..


Message edited by malmental on 12-29-2010 at 01:31:10 AM
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Reply to malmental

aha I want to buy a good one... but I don't want to spend tooo much =[
you not using the GTX460 atm then?
whats the GTS 450 Cyclone like? =]

Reply to TheSchneid

edit my last post BTW...

 

MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$119.99 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

 

it's better than the HD5750 and is slightly behind the HD5770, it actually beats it though in one or two testing categories too..


Message edited by malmental on 12-29-2010 at 01:34:23 AM
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Reply to malmental

I don't know what good and bad about it...
is it better than the GTX 460?
and I'm gonna go for a board that can use i3 i5 and i7...
and upgrade again in the future once I've got more money...
do you know any sites that sell parts cheaper
than aria and ebuyer?

Reply to TheSchneid

so you want a LGA1156 board now that can run all three i-chips.?
and you haven't thought about the LGA1366 that will be around for at least 1+ years as current.?
or you have and you want the LGA1156.?


Message edited by malmental on 12-29-2010 at 01:47:12 AM
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Reply to malmental

I don't know the difference's between them really..
all I need is a board that can run all three chip types... can use 32bit or is it 64 bit the one that can use more than 4GB RAM? I forget...and that is powerful enough to be able to handle a game that should be coming out in 2012. (So I need to approximate the requirements of a game in the future haha xd)

Reply to TheSchneid

LGA1366 only runs i7..
so if buying now then LGA1156 or wait till SB LGA1155 to be released are your options...

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Reply to malmental

Don't really want to wait.. cos knowing me the money will rapidly disappear xd
could you be so kind as to help me find a website that sells them cheaply?
and would I see a big change in speed and power over what I've got now with just i3?

Reply to TheSchneid

i3 certainly beats a C2D that's not question
an i5-760 is the ideal chip right now (not tomorrow) if you really want to have fun and costs less than $200 currently.
where are you, in the US.?

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Reply to malmental

I'm in England.. xd aha
and I only have about........ £250-300
which is about $450-500 I think

and I know it beats it.. but would I see a noticeable change?

Reply to TheSchneid

definitely and also it will be DDR3 RAM too....

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Reply to malmental

is that good?
I posted on here before and someone said DDR2 is better..
I was thinking I doubt that.. xd

Reply to TheSchneid

well you'll have no choice so it doesn't matter, i-series only runs DDR3.
now, do you want mATX or ATX size board and what case will or do you have for this new hardware, also are you thinking of SLI in the future.?

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Reply to malmental

whats the difference between the two boards other than size?
and yeah I am thinking of SLi in the future
and umm... I have the case for the MESH Computers E6600 Elite...
you'll have to have a look for it cos I've only found the case by looking for it

Reply to TheSchneid

yeah thats the one

Reply to TheSchneid

I'm researching some hardware for you..

In the mean time:
I need yo to look for something for me 'across the pond' as they say....
I'm looking for a particular motherboard and all the sites I find on it are over in the UK...
I would like to see if you can find one for me, even make calls if possible.
I will send PM (private message) about it later.
item in question:
ASUS M3N78-EM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8300 HDMI mATX - motherboard.

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Reply to malmental

No problem ^^ I shall look for you =]

Reply to TheSchneid

I have 4 different motherboards for you to look at, these are US web-sites but I just want you to look and see which you might like;
search credentials were possible SLI and not Cross-Fire in the future, i-series 'platform' compatability and then both mATX and ATX sizes:

 

1.) ASUS Maximus III GENE LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$139.99 after rebate - US
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product
2.) MSI P55A Fuzion LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$159.99 after rebate - US
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product
3.) EVGA P55V 120-LF-E651-TR LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$74.99 after rebate - US
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product
4.) ASRock P55 EXTREME4 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$144.99 - US
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

 

the motherboard is the most important piece so we start with that..


Message edited by malmental on 12-29-2010 at 03:12:27 AM
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Reply to malmental

whats the difference between SLI and Cross-Fire? I've forgotten xd

Reply to TheSchneid

ATi - Cross-Fire
nVidia - SLI

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Reply to malmental

ahhh I see xD aha
what does SLI actually do? I know it puts two graphics cards together
but I've never actualy found out what the difference it makes

Reply to TheSchneid

it's for high powered gaming and video...
running dual video cards together with a connector (bridge) and it turns the single card into a 'super card' by utilizing both cards together..
http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_faq.html

 

What is NVIDIA® SLI® technology? How does it work?
NVIDIA SLI technology is a revolutionary platform innovation that allows you to intelligently scale graphics performance by combining multiple NVIDIA graphics solutions in a single system with an NVIDIA SLI-Certified motherboard.

 

How is SLI technology different from competitive product offerings?
SLI technology is the only multi-GPU solution that was built from the ground up with dedicated scalability logic in each GPU. This logic enables the most efficient communication between GPUs providing the best scalability performance. SLI technology also has the most comprehensive list of supported games.

 

Do you have dedicated hardware for NVIDIA SLI technology or is it just software?
Yes. NVIDIA GPUs combined with an SLI®-Certified motherboard (which ships with the proprietary NVIDIA SLI connector) are the necessary building blocks for the SLI platform. Dedicated scalability logic in each GPU and a digital interface between GPUs (the SLI connector) enable this logic. In addition, a full software suite of advanced rendering algorithms provide the best image quality.

 

How much of a performance increase will I see with SLI technology?
The amount of performance improvement will depend on the application and its ability to scale. Several of today's hottest games see a full 2x increase in performance when using SLI technology with two graphics cards. 3-way NVIDIA SLI technology enables up to 2.8x performance increase over a single GPU. In general, applications running at higher resolutions with higher image quality settings will benefit most.

 

Why don't all games see performance increases?
Applications which tax the GPU will see tremendous performance improvements of up to 2x with SLI technology when using two graphics cards. Most of today's hottest games and as well as next-generation games fall into this category. However, some applications, typically older generation applications, are limited by factors other than the GPU's processing power.

 

The most common limitation is the CPU. If an application becomes CPU bound, no additional graphics power can improve performance. This situation is most common at low screen resolutions like 1024x768 with no additional functionality turned on. Turning on antialiasing and anisotropic filtering or switching to higher resolutions can often move the processing requirements back to the GPU.

 

For CPU-bound applications, NVIDIA offers a new SLI rendering mode called SLI Antialiasing. This rendering mode allows you to enable SLI8x, SLI16x, or SLI32x (for quad SLI only) antialiasing and enhance the visual quality of any gaming application.


Message edited by malmental on 12-29-2010 at 03:23:29 AM
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Reply to malmental

ohhhh I see xD so it makes it like... double its normal power and such then?
and those boards... I don't know whats good and whats not? can you like give me
a list like go..
Best..
then 2nd and so on so I can see the difference =]
as I'm not very hot on my computer hardware..
I know RAM and HDD and thats it :P
and thats only cos its numbers hehe

Reply to TheSchneid

well I'm thinking that you can for either or in your case, mATX or ATX sizes.
so in order from best to 'not best':
quality
1.) ASUS Maximus III GENE LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
2.) EVGA P55V 120-LF-E651-TR LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
3.) MSI P55A Fuzion LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
4.) ASRock P55 EXTREME4 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
bang for buck
1.) EVGA P55V 120-LF-E651-TR LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
2.) ASUS Maximus III GENE LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

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Reply to malmental

bang for buck? haha you telling me to become a male prostitute? hahaaha
and okays =] thanks =]
I'm guessing processor after motherboard then?

Reply to TheSchneid

The Asrock one doesn't look to bad..
The MSI one looks pretty good too..
in terms of look and what it says

Reply to TheSchneid

TheSchneid wrote :

bang for buck? haha you telling me to become a male prostitute? hahaaha
and okays =] thanks =]
I'm guessing processor after motherboard then?


:kaola:

 

yes, cpu comes second after the board..


Message edited by malmental on 12-29-2010 at 04:10:58 AM
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Reply to malmental

hahaha cheeky B**** haha :P
I inboxed you about the motherboard earlier by the way..
the one you wanted =]
so what processor do you think I should get?
I can't go any higher than about low i5 but that will leave me little money
for the graphics card..
and thats one of the main things I want to change atm

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