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Choosing a build.

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Hey all,
This is my first thread. But I've been using the forums as references when going through the process of choosing these two rigs. Now on to my question, basically I want to build a mid range gaming computer that I can upgrade as needed later on, I really want SLi or Xfire on the motherboard as which every card way I go I can advance it further with and extra one. I want to use it to play games that either I'm half minded about or want but don't care for the features that are on the xbox. Also I would like to get a board that lets me unlock more cores and easy over-clock preferably.

 

Info on the build
Either Xfire or SLi
Budget of about $600
Buying on the 29th
Mainly well only gaming
No monitor, OS or peripherals
In the UK
Using http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/ for buying and prices but changed it to dollars to help you guys who seem to be mainly US. Using newegg to show products fine as I can usally find it.

 

Build one - AMD & ATi XFire
Generic 4Gb (2X2Gb) Dual Channel DDR3 1333Mhz Memory - $43
NZXT m59 Classic Series ATX Gaming Case - $74
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Multi-format CPU Cooler - $29
320Gb W. Digital Caviar SE 7200Rpm 16Mb Cache SATA II HDD - $41
AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition AM3 Processor - Retail - $105
Generic 750W 24-pin ATX PSU, 12cm Fan, PFC, PCI-e, Black - $34
Samsung SH-S223C DVDRW - $21
ATi Radeon HD 5770 - $148
MSI 870AG54 - $103

 

Total (inc P&P) - $615

 

Build two - AMD & nVidia SLi

 

Generic 4Gb (2X2Gb) Dual Channel DDR3 1333Mhz Memory - $43
NZXT m59 Classic Series ATX Gaming Case - $74
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Multi-format CPU Cooler - $29
320Gb W. Digital Caviar SE 7200Rpm 16Mb Cache SATA II HDD - $41
AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition AM3 Processor - Retail - $105
Generic 750W 24-pin ATX PSU, 12cm Fan, PFC, PCI-e, Black - $34
Samsung SH-S223C DVDRW - $21
nVidia Geforce GXT 460 - $199
Asus M4N98TD EVO - $143

 

Total (inc P&P) - $689

 

Thanks for any help I just don't want to waste my money now as this is my first build.


Message edited by Freetechmind on 12-27-2010 at 07:41:16 PM
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instead of the phenom ii, get the athlon II X3 450 or Athlon II X4 640. the guaranteed extra cores are better than L3 cache.

they'll also save $25 (X3) or at least $5 (X4).

do not get a generic PSU!! you only need around 500W for either build, go with a name brand: Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, Coolermaster, Xigmatek, OCZ at around 500W (450-550)

get this motherboard:
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/pr [...] BA-870EXT3

and a HD6850 instead of a GTX 460

you can skip the cooler if you aren't overclocking.

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My PC: I5-2400, ASRock H61-VS, Mushkin 4 GB 1333, HD 6850, 2x Seagate 500 GB HDD, Corsair 430W, Rosewill R102 case
HTPC: Phenom I 9650 2.3Ghz, 4 GB DDR2-800, 120gb hdd, HD4850 512MB, Ultra 500W
Reply to ScrewySqrl

I agree with the above, but I'd rather get an HD 5850 instead of the 6850. It's more powerful, yet usually around the same price. Either would be fine though...

I'd also swap the HDD for a Samsung Spinpoint F3. The 500 GB is 30 pounds or the 1 TB is 39 pounds. These would be faster than that Western Digital drive.

As far as PSUs go, I'd eliminate Xigmatek, Coolermaster and OCZ from that list. They're not the best quality. Instead, add XFX and Silverstone to the list. Since you're looking to Crossfire (SLI and AMD is a horrible idea), you'll want at least a 650W unit.

Finally, I don't think that RAM's that good. Since it looks like you're wanting to overclock, I'd pick up some 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 sticks, like these G.Skill Ripjaws for 55 pounds. At the very least, get 1600 mhz CAS Latency 9 sticks. They'll be a lot faster once you start overclocking.


Message edited by MadAdmiral on 12-27-2010 at 10:01:53 PM
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Just wondering what the difference is between the 460 and HD 6850 as they seem to be similar in benchmarks even the 460 being better and costing less as I have found. Also do you have a site for the 5850 being a similar price to the 6850 as all I can find is it coming in at £200 compared to the 6850 £145 preferably as the default ATi version as I like the looks the best and it seems to be cheaper.

I am now soursing round for better prices as now it seems Eclipse is lacking with middle range parts at affordable prices. Any good Uk online stores?

Reply to Freetechmind

The 6850 is newer, so it's still likely to get a lot of performance gains from new drivers. In addition, it scales slightly better than the GTX 460.

Finally, since you're doing an AMD build, nVidia isn't really an option. AMD doesn't natively support SLI, so the boards that do support it are often pricey, low quality and unreliable. Basically, if you choose AMD for your CPU, and want the future proofing that dual card solutions offer, you're handcuffed to ATI (which is AMD).

As for pricing, the 5850 is around $170 on Newegg and the 6850 is around $180, so that's my source. No idea on UK pricing, but that seems pretty fishy. Regardless, the 5850 is more powerful, so a higher cost is rational.

The only other UK sotre I can think of is ebuyer.com.

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MadAdmiral wrote :

The 6850 is newer, so it's still likely to get a lot of performance gains from new drivers. In addition, it scales slightly better than the GTX 460.

Finally, since you're doing an AMD build, nVidia isn't really an option. AMD doesn't natively support SLI, so the boards that do support it are often pricey, low quality and unreliable. Basically, if you choose AMD for your CPU, and want the future proofing that dual card solutions offer, you're handcuffed to ATI (which is AMD).

As for pricing, the 5850 is around $170 on Newegg and the 6850 is around $180, so that's my source. No idea on UK pricing, but that seems pretty fishy. Regardless, the 5850 is more powerful, so a higher cost is rational.

The only other UK sotre I can think of is ebuyer.com.



If I wen with the 5850 should I try to get a mobo with the 890 chip set for dual x16 with cross fire. Also Could I order from newegg ship to the Uk would there be an output difference or is that only for tvs and dvd regions?

Reply to Freetechmind

16x/16x doesn't make a difference. The performance loss is at most 3-4%, and only really has an impact if you're using the 5970. Don't bother paying the $50+ premium for a 16x/16x board over an 8x/8x one.

Newegg will not ship overseas, so you'd have to use an intermediary (i.e. you buy it from Newegg, Newegg ships somewhere in the US, the US receipient ships to you). You'd likely have to pay some kind of import/custom fee. I doubt you'd save anything in the long run.

I don't believe there'd be a technical difference in the parts, but I'm not sure. If there was a difference, the only part that I could see it effecting is the PSU.

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Do you consider this to be the best mid range build for $600 or are there better combinations?

Reply to Freetechmind

Best is extremely relative. Once you've made the changes above (X3, ASRock board, good PSU), it's certainly a great build. Of course, once you start talking about putting the 5850/6850 in there, it's going to be more in the $700 range...


Message edited by MadAdmiral on 12-27-2010 at 11:08:58 PM
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Decided to go with the X3 after looking at it again looked at the am2 socket one before and thought that it was the same but now see the advantages. Last question for a bit. When you say then putting in either the 5850/ 6850 are you saying its a great build with them or before adding those if its before which card where you referring to?

Reply to Freetechmind

there should be only about $10 difference between a 460 (fine as a single card) and a 6850 (about equal to the 460 solo, and scales wonderfully in crossfire)

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My PC: I5-2400, ASRock H61-VS, Mushkin 4 GB 1333, HD 6850, 2x Seagate 500 GB HDD, Corsair 430W, Rosewill R102 case
HTPC: Phenom I 9650 2.3Ghz, 4 GB DDR2-800, 120gb hdd, HD4850 512MB, Ultra 500W
Reply to ScrewySqrl

Thank you both for your help with this build just wondering what would be the best build for $460. I am still using the information you are giving me just wondering what it would be like if I went down a price bracket. Thanks again.

Reply to Freetechmind

the main difference would be stepping down on the graphics card

------------------------------ We have no wish to offend you, unless you're a twit.
My PC: I5-2400, ASRock H61-VS, Mushkin 4 GB 1333, HD 6850, 2x Seagate 500 GB HDD, Corsair 430W, Rosewill R102 case
HTPC: Phenom I 9650 2.3Ghz, 4 GB DDR2-800, 120gb hdd, HD4850 512MB, Ultra 500W
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How does this look I have an old DVD rw drive and a good hard drive already to run OS on. Is this a good build now?

 

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3226/mybuild.png


Message edited by Freetechmind on 12-28-2010 at 04:30:42 PM
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It's prety decent. I'm not a huge fan of the Coolermaster PSUs, but it should do the job. I generally consider them to be a second tier product. If you've got the budget left, I'd try to grab a 650W Corsair, Antec or XFX (SeaSonic and Silverstone are likely out of budget).

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MadAdmiral wrote :

It's prety decent. I'm not a huge fan of the Coolermaster PSUs, but it should do the job. I generally consider them to be a second tier product. If you've got the budget left, I'd try to grab a 650W Corsair, Antec or XFX (SeaSonic and Silverstone are likely out of budget).


Would 550 be enough for the build as I can get a silverstone if it is?

Reply to Freetechmind

550 shoudl be fine as it is. CoolerMaster is, however, a good brand, I'd stick with that 650 you have, which will leave plenty of room for a second 6850 later.

You only will need the Hyper 212+ If you plan to overclock.

------------------------------ We have no wish to offend you, unless you're a twit.
My PC: I5-2400, ASRock H61-VS, Mushkin 4 GB 1333, HD 6850, 2x Seagate 500 GB HDD, Corsair 430W, Rosewill R102 case
HTPC: Phenom I 9650 2.3Ghz, 4 GB DDR2-800, 120gb hdd, HD4850 512MB, Ultra 500W
Reply to ScrewySqrl

I am planning to OC but now this should be the last question be fore I order given the option:

Coolmaster 650w

or

Corsair CX600w

?
Which would be better I am planning to crossfire later?

Reply to Freetechmind

I'm not saying Coolermaster makes really bad PSUs, I'm saying that they aren't the highest quality. You can live with them if you have to.

I don't think the 600W would be big enough. I'm also a little troubled by the lack of an 80+ Certification. I believe Corsair's CX (their "Builder's" series) are their low quality, budget line. Is there not a Corsair 650TX (or if you're feeling fancy, the HX)? Or Antec's Earthwatts 650W (EA650)?

If the choice between those two PSUs only, I'd lean towards the Coolermaster.

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Reply to MadAdmiral

Thanks Ill probably go coolmaster then. I found the 650TX but it takes me out of my budget which is already getting stretched. Thank you for all your help.

Reply to Freetechmind

Is that including the Hyper 212? If it is, and you aren't overclocking, you can remove the Hyper to free up some budget.

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Reply to MadAdmiral

Yeah Ill drop it I can oc later so will pick up one later when I have more money. Will core unlock require one? Thank you guys so much for this help.

Reply to Freetechmind

Yes. I didn't see that you said you were going to OC eariler. I'd probably just keep the HSF in the purchase. Replacing it later is a pain in the ass.

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Oh yeah I forgot Id have to do it all again yeah ill keep it then I wont order till later and recheck every thing again. Another random question do either of you now about when you sett up a raid do the HDD have to be the same size?

Reply to Freetechmind

yes, they do.

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HTPC: Phenom I 9650 2.3Ghz, 4 GB DDR2-800, 120gb hdd, HD4850 512MB, Ultra 500W
Reply to ScrewySqrl

They need to be the EXACT same HDD (same size, same brand, same model).

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Reply to MadAdmiral

Thanks not really relevant to the build yet but wanted to check.

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