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December 28, 2010 4:36:03 PM

Hello everyone,
I am in the market for a new desktop PC (as I write this from a borrowed work laptop) My last PC died a week before Christmas, next month would have been 7 years out of my dell with only a few upgrades 3 years ago.

This Time I am looking to build my new rig instead of overpay for someone else to. But, I need some advice.

My normal use for this will be video (HD blu-ray) and photo (15megs avg per pic) (I use CS5 Master Suite) and blu-ray burning. I also am a WoW player and a few other PC games (the new NfS Hot pursuit looks amazing)

I have been researching and reading for weeks and think I have put a decent system together but would like some other info.

Things like I want to over clock do I need a heat sink? What about one for the graphics card?

I have searched Amazon, New Egg, tiger direct and will even be making a trip to Micro Center. If you know of any other sites with good prices let me know please.

Below is what I have come up with. If you suggest changes please explain why. I like to understand your thoughts behind your choices.

Thanks in advance.

Note: I have a Buffalo Terastation 4tb I use for storage So I was not really worried about internal Storage.




199.00
COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case

189.00
CORSAIR Professional Series AX850 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

359.00
ASUS Rampage III Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

404.99
OCZ Reaper HPC 24GB (6 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR1333C9LV24GS

529.00
EVGA SuperClocked 015-P3-1582-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
(I will probably add a second card later)

229.00
Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH120G2K5 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

294.00
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950

219.98
(X2) SONY Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 8X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner Blu-ray Burner BD-5300S-0B - OEM

369.99
Acer GD235HZbid Black/orange 23.6" 2ms Widescreen 1080p 120Hz 3D LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 80000:1

100.00??
HDTV tuner card

40.00
Rosewill 2-Port USB 3.0 PCI Express Card Model RC-505

91.99
Seagate Constellation ES ST3500514NS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

169.99
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD 24-bit 96KHz Sound Card

28.67
Intel EXPI9301CTBLK 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express Network Adapter 1 x RJ45



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December 28, 2010 5:00:22 PM

So much I don't like about this build....

I'll start with the case. There is no reason to spend $200 on a case. Instead, grab the HAF 922 (it's roughly the same size) for a good $110 less. Or pick up the HAF 932 for $60 less. Or check out anything from Lian Li. The 922 is the best choice out there right now, so that's my go to option.

Mobo: I hate the Rampage series. They're also overpriced. Instead, pick up the Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R for $160 less. Or if you're feeling fancy, the Asus P6X58D Premium for $120 less.

RAM: OCZ's DDR3 plays badly with Intel boards. Avoid them at all costs. Also, 24 GB is crazy overkill, regardless of what you're doing. If you actually need that much RAM, you should be building a server with dual CPUs. Instead, pick up these G.Skill Ripjaws 3x4 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 sticks. They're cheaper (buy two for $400 if you insist on 24 GB of RAM) and faster too.

HDD: Not a fan of that drive. Instead, I'd pick up the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB for $70. It's just as fast, yet nearly half the cost per GB. Or you could just get the 500 GB version for a little less.

SSD: Another poor choice. The Intel SSDs were good ones, but they've been passed up by the newer tech. I'd pick up an OCZ Vertex 2, OCZ Agility 2 or G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120 GB drive instead.

Sound card: Practically completely unnecessary these days. Onboard is already excellent, and supports 7.1 systems, and is free. Unless you're a huge audiophile, you won't notice a difference. I'd at least try onboard first.

HSF: You only need a heatsink if you're going to overclock. Some good choices are the Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B ($40) or the Noctua NH-D14 ($85). This is really the only cooling you'll need to add.

I will say that outside of Microcenter's sweet prices on Intel CPUs, I rarely find a better buy than what's on Newegg. Don't forget to check out their combos to save more money.

Now, with all that money I've saved you (I'm estimating around $650 with all the changes), you can probably go ahead and pick up that second 580 now. Or upgrade that i7-950 to the i7-980X. Whichever suits you best. I think the 980X would probably offer a little more benefit with the editing, but it's such overkill that I don't like to recommend it.
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December 28, 2010 5:50:56 PM

MadAdmiral said:
So much I don't like about this build....

Agree

MadAdmiral said:
I'll start with the case. There is no reason to spend $200 on a case. Instead, grab the HAF 922 (it's roughly the same size) for a good $110 less. Or pick up the HAF 932 for $60 less. Or check out anything from Lian Li. The 922 is the best choice out there right now, so that's my go to option.

100% agree on the HAF 922

MadAdmiral said:
Mobo: I hate the Rampage series. They're also overpriced. Instead, pick up the Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R for $160 less. Or if you're feeling fancy, the Asus P6X58D Premium for $120 less.

100% agree on this but another GREAT option is to go with the ASUS P67 Pro (or Deluxe) motherboard due to arrive in a couple weeks with Sandy Bridge

MadAdmiral said:
RAM: OCZ's DDR3 plays badly with Intel boards. Avoid them at all costs. Also, 24 GB is crazy overkill, regardless of what you're doing. If you actually need that much RAM, you should be building a server with dual CPUs. Instead, pick up these G.Skill Ripjaws 3x4 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 sticks. They're cheaper (buy two for $400 if you insist on 24 GB of RAM) and faster too.

100% agree unless going for Sandy Bridge in the near future, in which case, still go with 2 x 4GB G.Skill dual-channel DDR3-1600 CL 7 Kit. 24 GB is overkill

MadAdmiral said:
HDD: Not a fan of that drive. Instead, I'd pick up the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB for $70. It's just as fast, yet nearly half the cost per GB. Or you could just get the 500 GB version for a little less.

100% agree

MadAdmiral said:
SSD: Another poor choice. The Intel SSDs were good ones, but they've been passed up by the newer tech. I'd pick up an OCZ Vertex 2, OCZ Agility 2 or G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120 GB drive instead.

Another good option could be 2 x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MadAdmiral said:
Sound card: Practically completely unnecessary these days. Onboard is already excellent, and supports 7.1 systems, and is free. Unless you're a huge audiophile, you won't notice a difference. I'd at least try onboard first.

100% agree, ditch the sound card

MadAdmiral said:
HSF: You only need a heatsink if you're going to overclock. Some good choices are the Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B ($40) or the Noctua NH-D14 ($85). This is really the only cooling you'll need to add.

HS/F is all preference but the Admiral is correct here with those choices

MadAdmiral said:
I will say that outside of Microcenter's sweet prices on Intel CPUs, I rarely find a better buy than what's on Newegg. Don't forget to check out their combos to save more money.

I am personally waiting on Sandy Bridge i5 2500K or i7 2600K, if you can wait until Jan 9th, do so...

MadAdmiral said:
Now, with all that money I've saved you (I'm estimating around $650 with all the changes), you can probably go ahead and pick up that second 580 now. Or upgrade that i7-950 to the i7-980X. Whichever suits you best. I think the 980X would probably offer a little more benefit with the editing, but it's such overkill that I don't like to recommend it.

I say ditch the 580 and go for 570's in SLI either way. The Corsair PSU (which is a nice choice) will handle it.
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December 28, 2010 5:54:45 PM

Definitely wait for Sandy Bridge. I forgot to mention that. Early tests show that the performance gain is going to be something like 20-30% (according to anandtech's preview), while the prices are going to be close to what they are now. There is absolutely no reason to spend your money on Intel right now with this huge change coming soon.
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December 28, 2010 6:24:56 PM

Thanks , I will start looking into this later when I get a few mins to spare. I have read a few articles on the Sandy Bridge but not enough. I should have added my build time is needs to be built by the end of January.

Thanks again
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December 28, 2010 6:40:35 PM

Definitely wait as long as possible. I don't know if you'll be able to find the new chips in stock immediately after their release, or even a month later. I can't even be sure that the older CPUs' prices will have changed by then. I do know that something will change, and it will likely benefit you with more performance for roughly similar prices or the same performance with lower prices. If it doesn't, all you've lost is a few weeks.
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December 28, 2010 6:51:46 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Definitely wait as long as possible. I don't know if you'll be able to find the new chips in stock immediately after their release, or even a month later. I can't even be sure that the older CPUs' prices will have changed by then. I do know that something will change, and it will likely benefit you with more performance for roughly similar prices or the same performance with lower prices. If it doesn't, all you've lost is a few weeks.



Agreed, I plan on staying up the night of the anticipated release of P67 & Sandy Bridge... My mouse-clicking finger will move at the speed of light because they're probably going to go fast.

@ OP, you should probably be fine for the end of January for Sandy Bridge & a P67 motherboard (ASUS would be a good choice or Gigabyte)
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December 29, 2010 12:20:33 AM

here is where I am at with out trying to price shop or with a monitor.



COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811119197
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant
$109.98
$89.98


SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152185
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$69.99


Intel EXPI9301CTBLK 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express Network Adapter
Item #: N82E16833106033
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
-$1.32 Instant
$29.99
$28.67


GIGABYTE GV-N580D5-15I-B GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814125349
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
$524.99
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NVIDIA Free Mafia 2 Game Coupon
Item #: N82E16800999247
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$59.99 Saving
$59.99
$0.00


CORSAIR Professional Series AX850 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817139015
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$199.99
$189.99


Rosewill 2-Port USB 3.0 PCI Express Card Model RC-505
Item #: N82E16815166026
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$39.99


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9T-12GBRL
Item #: N82E16820231358
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$199.99


ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131614
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty
1 year: $29.99(remove)
-$40.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$309.99
$269.99


Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
Item #: N82E16819115211
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty
1 year: $29.99(remove)
-$5.00 Instant
$299.99
$294.99
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Intel Bunny People Keytag - OEM
Item #: N82E16800995083
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$14.99 Saving
$14.99
$0.00


Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Full
Item #: N82E16832116718
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
-$50.00 Instant
$319.99
$269.99


Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835608018
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
1 year: $9.99(remove)
$84.99


SONY Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BD-5300S-0B - OEM
Item #: N82E16827118050
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
1 year: $16.99(remove)
$219.98
($109.99 each)


Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #: N82E16820148348
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty
1 year: $29.99(remove)
-$5.00 Instant
$279.99
$274.99
Subtotal: $2,558.53
Extended Warranty Fee: $133.94
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I hate that new egg charges tax

I will wait and see what sandy bridge brings and then make changes.
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December 29, 2010 1:36:01 AM

Looks good. Just to verify, but are you sure you want to pay for the full version of Windows? You can get an OEM version for a lot less, and the only difference is that you can't change the motherboard without a new copy...

Newegg only charges tax if you're in a state that has a warehouse. It's basically just California, Texas and New Jersey if I remember right.
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December 29, 2010 2:15:04 AM

MadAdmiral said:
Looks good. Just to verify, but are you sure you want to pay for the full version of Windows? You can get an OEM version for a lot less, and the only difference is that you can't change the motherboard without a new copy...

Newegg only charges tax if you're in a state that has a warehouse. It's basically just California, Texas and New Jersey if I remember right.


I figured just in case I upgrade or with my luck need to replace the MOBO I would just get the full.

and Sadly I am in CA so I get hit with the Taxes.
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December 29, 2010 11:08:41 AM

kasket said:
I figured just in case I upgrade or with my luck need to replace the MOBO I would just get the full.

and Sadly I am in CA so I get hit with the Taxes.



Small price to pay for fast shipping :) 
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January 5, 2011 4:58:32 AM

Kasket:

As per your direct invitation, I have run over this thread.

The Admiral has brought you a LONG way back, from the brink ...
... now, he and I do not always see eye to eye (philosophically and economically) but I certainly agree on MOST points that he has taken the time to make.

... Where I disagree, is on waiting for a Sandy. Go for the 950+Hyper212+ NOW.
WHY? ... reqardless of whatever the current price and benches are, this is a brand new chip and you will want to OC one of the "K" models, when they finally DO come down in price. ... The 950 is great ... proven ... clocks well, and will tear thru your 15MP Photo renders, just fine. ... Don't blow more than ~$40 on a cooler, tho ... power requirements are trending downward and SANDY is a good example ... you won't need a super-massive cooler, but a hyper212+ would not be overkill, for any of the planned SANDIES.

Get a GTX 570 ... They can be unlocked to 580 specs ... several recent threads on this.

I would go with 12GB of generic (mushkin, kingston, g.skill) generic value ram.
... 1333c8 is fine but if you can get 1600c7 (for $10 more) , then go for it.

.... What is that network card for ? ... you should have a couple of gigabit ports on board, already.

I dint see what mobo you picked but I recommend the UD3 or the ASUS that is the same price (something like a P65D, or the successor to same).

You won't need 850 WATTS ... get a SEASONIC X750 or a corsair 750Watt.

... You sure don't won't need a RAMPAGE mobo ...

... Get the VERTEX2 ... +1 on the spinpoints, that's a no brainer (get 1TB model ! )

... That's my $00.02 ... The Admiral has done a great job of saving you HEAPS !!!

= Toodles = Feel free to PM me if you want any 3rd opinions.

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January 5, 2011 6:09:50 AM

Intel EXPI9301CTBLK 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express Network Adapter
Item #: N82E16833106033
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
-$1.32 Instant
$29.99

Why the NIC ? ... Does that board not have two gigaports, already ?


Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Full
Item #: N82E16832116718
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
-$50.00 Instant
$319.99
$269.99

I would recommend Win7-Pro64 (OEM)

Rosewill 2-Port USB 3.0 PCI Express Card Model RC-505
Item #: N82E16815166026
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$39.99

Again ... Why?? You will have a few USB3.0 ports, already ... and a WHOLE bunch of USB2 ports, as well ... You can always add this card later !

Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835608018
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
1 year: $9.99(remove)
$84.99

This Cooler is way too dam big for the 922 case !! It CAN be made to fit, but it is so big that it will actually work against the more limited air-flow of the 922 ...
... GO WITH THE HYPER212+ ! ... !!
... The 212+ is WAY overkill for the new "K"-series Sandies (which will be your next upgrade, in a few years) ... When the 1366 "K"-Series Sandies finally do come down, in price, they will be able to run at nearly 5GHz without even getting hot ... The 212+ cooler will be WAY MORE than enough, for the Sandies, and is PLENTY GOOD, for the i7-950 . DO NOT DO THE NOCTUA ON THIS BUILD ! U WILL B SORRY
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GIGABYTE GV-N580D5-15I-B GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536M
B 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814125349
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
$524.99

$28.67

The 570 is PLENTY SNAPPY for CS5 PS and even for Premiere MPE Acceleration ... and prolly uses a bit less power ... Go with the GTX 570 ... The 580 is a waste of money and power.


CORSAIR Professional Series AX850 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817139015
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$199.99
$189.99

Again ... 750 Watts (Seasonic or Corsair), is plenty-'nuff with headroom to spare ...
... This is plenty for all and Sandy will drink even less power (20W less, I think).

ARE YOU HONESTLY PLANNING TO BURN MORE THAN ONE BR DISK AT A TIME ???

... Why not just get *ONE* burner and get a BR *READER* as the 2nd drive ??

... Save another ~$60


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January 5, 2011 5:14:37 PM

Thank you for the Input Alvin I just got back into town after a little vacation and will be making some changes to drop the price a bit. I will post back as soon as I have a chance.

Thanks!
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January 6, 2011 10:27:56 PM

kasket said:
Thank you for the Input Alvin I just got back into town after a little vacation and will be making some changes to drop the price a bit. I will post back as soon as I have a chance.

Thanks!



... Hmmm ... Seeing that your proclivity is prone towards "over-loading" the config ... I am going to recant, somewhat, my comment on the 850-vs.-750 watt PSU ...

... Go ahead and get a Corsair 850Watt PSU ... If initial outlay is your greatest concern.

... Tho it would cost significantly more, A seasonic "X"-series 850W PSU would be (prolly much) more quiet and would be "power-efficient", even at lower loads ... So, if they are making an "X"-Series 850Watt, it WILL pay for it's self, over the life of this build and could be used in the next build, as well.

Safety ... Relative Silence ... Efficiency ... Dependability ... Seasonic "X" Series Power Supplies.

(That is what is called a "product endorsement").



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