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March 23, 2011 1:33:50 AM

Topic, why are they inferior in many gaming situations? I remember seeing the Phenom 2 x4 965 and the i7920 long ago and thinking the Phenom was a steal, but i learned later.
So, why are they better in gaming? Even with high clockrates (3.4 vs 2.66), they seem to be beated by the Intel Midrange and High End cpus (i5 750 onwards)
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March 23, 2011 1:38:48 AM

IMO... they are not inferior in gaming. I've seen people post you can find the X4 955 for $100 at Microcenter. You can not bet that CPU in price to performance at $100. What you are seeing is.. it isn't the "Newest" thing out and on a bench to bench comparison the new SB CPU's win.

I've been a firm believer that the CPU's in place prior to the release of SB just didn't all of sudden stop being able to perform for years to come. They are still VERY capable CPU's and there isn't a reason not to get one based on your budget. Granted if your spending over $1,000 for a new build, I see no reason not to look at an i5 2500k setup over any CPU on the market... IMO
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March 23, 2011 1:38:48 AM

How does the IPC compare?
And as for the architecture, I remember that AMD once kicked Intels ass with the Athlons during the Pentium 4 age.
I heard hat Phenoms are K10 architecture but thats not that much similar from the K7 or something similar.Is that true?
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March 23, 2011 1:43:04 AM

bump, i'm also looking for the answer

is it the cache?
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March 23, 2011 1:45:36 AM

Of course, if the i5s, i7s, and Phenoms are nowhere near incapable in todays applications. Microcenter has really cheap prices but you do have to go pick it up usually.
For 100, it is easily an amazing value. Considering that SB doesn't offer twice the performance at twice the price, it has more value
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March 23, 2011 1:48:35 AM

Best answer selected by CruelAngels.
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March 23, 2011 9:23:39 AM

and then some. the cache on the c2d made a huge difference performance wise.
then add to that dye shrinks, higher transistor counts, overall more efficient design each step put intel further ahead to the point that amd have to use 6 cores to match intels 4 and the gap is only gonna get bigger over the next year or so.
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March 23, 2011 4:08:52 PM

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Architecture and Instructions Per Clock. Intel processors are about 3 generations ahead of Amd


An X4 would need to be clocked at 6Ghz to equal a 4ghz 2500k


Were talking about gaming here, not benchmarks or applications.

Phenom II's (are you talking about original phenom?) are not inferior for gaming unless your using two or more video cards and the cpu can't keep up with them.

A PII 965 paired with a GTX480 is going to throw nearly the exact framerates as a i5-2500k using the same GTX480.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

Even multitasking:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

Although some games are the exception:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...
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March 23, 2011 4:15:19 PM

The latest $1000 SBM build surprised me. I was expecting an AMD build for that price range. Yet they did it with the 2nd fastest SB processor (2500K).

So, although you can still say that a Phenom II X3 or X4 " is all you need for gaming", anyone building a new gaming rig is going to see that the price premium of doing an Intel build has gotten a lot smaller, and the total system price point where one would chose AMD has dropped a lot.
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March 23, 2011 5:16:50 PM

DXRick said:
The latest $1000 SBM build surprised me. I was expecting an AMD build for that price range. Yet they did it with the 2nd fastest SB processor (2500K).

So, although you can still say that a Phenom II X3 or X4 " is all you need for gaming", anyone building a new gaming rig is going to see that the price premium of doing an Intel build has gotten a lot smaller, and the total system price point where one would chose AMD has dropped a lot.


I disagree. If the cpu is $100 cheaper and the mobo is $50-100 cheaper, how does that not make the rig cheaper?

PII 955 is $129. 2500K is $229.

While I certainly would spend the extra on the 2500K (actually I would get the 2600K), a lot of people would rather save the money knowing the system is plenty for their needs. That's why they are still selling the crizap out of those X4's. Not to mention you can still drop them into your 3 year old AM2+ board with DDR2. That's A LOT of extra savings.




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March 23, 2011 6:22:15 PM

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People are still buying X4s? Where? All I see are 2500k builds and that's the correct build. AM3 is a dead socket and can't compare to sandy bridge


Apparently you don't get around the forum much. lol
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March 23, 2011 6:24:20 PM

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Do yourself a favor and don't use tom's reviews. Tom's couldn't write a review to save it's life.


Oh ok Mr. Professional reviewer. I'm sorry if the truth hurts, but don't try to make it look like Tom's doesn't know how to run a simple benchmark.

I know you love to bash AMD, which is funny because before the core-i series came out you were running a 1055T and always bragging about how fast it was at 4ghz, but anyways, your trying to tell some guy that he has to have his X4 at 6GHZ to compare to a 2500K at 4GHZ, in gaming, which couldn't be more wrong.

The charts show the truth. At 1920x1080 and above with a single graphics card, there is almost no difference in fps between 955BE and 2500K at the same clock speed in the majority of games.

But I'm not going to argue with you about how Tom's cant do a review. I'm just gonna leave this thread here, never to return. I've learned it's not worth it to argue with kids with big ego's, it shrivels their e-peen and makes them get nasty.
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March 23, 2011 9:00:38 PM

The OP has received their answer to their question. There is no further need for any more back-n-forth discussions on what is better between Intel & AMD
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