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October 30, 2010 10:15:40 AM

Hey well im upgrading from a GTX275..and i was going to go with a 275 SLI but the power consumption is ridiculous also im looking into a DirectX11 card...best bang for buck mainly. Ill be playing games such as GTA IV, Lost Planet 2 , Medal of Honor, Battlefield Bad company 2, Call of duty black ops at High settings, 1920x1080.

I can get 2x EVGA GTX460 1GB SuperClocked for the same price as a Single HD5870. Would it be enough for GTA IV? or is SLI a no go?

My Specs:
Intel i7 870 2.93Ghz
4GB Corsair Dominator GT 2133Mhz
Gigabyte GA-P55-UD5
500GB Barracuda 7200.12
GTX275 atm

Thanks in advance.

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a c 1401 U Graphics card
October 30, 2010 1:02:07 PM

That would be a nice upgrade! SLI is a go so is crossfire if you want to look at the HD6xxx cards. Then again the HD69xx cards are releasing in a few weeks and might be interesting price wise.
a c 376 U Graphics card
October 30, 2010 2:03:57 PM

I'd go with HD6850s and overclock them myself. It will save you $60 and you will get the same performance. Or wait for the HD6900 cards like rolli suggested. They should be out it a few weeks supposedly.
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October 30, 2010 2:06:25 PM

jyjjy said:
I'd go with HD6850s and overclock them myself. It will save you $60 and you will get the same performance. Or wait for the HD6900 cards like rolli suggested. They should be out it a few weeks supposedly.

Oh okay. thing is the EVGA Superclocked perform faster than a 5850...so im just thinking i should get a pair of these do they scale well in GTA IV as thats my main game im worried about.
a c 1401 U Graphics card
October 30, 2010 2:10:25 PM

GTA IV is badly coded therefore is not good game to build on, I guess the 2xGTX460 would handle it just as well as HD5870.
a c 376 U Graphics card
October 30, 2010 2:24:10 PM

has22fas said:
Oh okay. thing is the EVGA Superclocked perform faster than a 5850...

Well they do that through a factory overclock. Overclocking a video card is quite simple really so I wouldn't recommend paying a company to do it for you. Also the factory overclock(763mhz) on that card is actually much lower than it can go. Usually a GTX 460 can get core speeds of 850-900mhz or higher even on the best models.
I recommend the HD6850 instead because it is cheaper, slightly faster at reference speeds and overclocks just as well.
If you are going to pay extra for anything it should be for the best cooling. Fortunately for the HD6850 the card with the best cooling doesn't actually cost more than the other cards;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you still want to go with GTX 460s I would recommend the MSI Hawk instead of the EVGA card you are looking at;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's actually significantly faster(+47mhz) even if you don't overclock on your own and it is specifically designed to be overclocked much higher, usually 900-950mhz.
October 30, 2010 3:15:38 PM

jyjjy said:
Well they do that through a factory overclock. Overclocking a video card is quite simple really so I wouldn't recommend paying a company to do it for you. Also the factory overclock(763mhz) on that card is actually much lower than it can go. Usually a GTX 460 can get core speeds of 850-900mhz or higher even on the best models.
I recommend the HD6850 instead because it is cheaper, slightly faster at reference speeds and overclocks just as well.
If you are going to pay extra for anything it should be for the best cooling. Fortunately for the HD6850 the card with the best cooling doesn't actually cost more than the other cards;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you still want to go with GTX 460s I would recommend the MSI Hawk instead of the EVGA card you are looking at;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's actually significantly faster(+47mhz) even if you don't overclock on your own and it is specifically designed to be overclocked much higher, usually 900-950mhz.

Thanks , i like the look of that card...i wanted to go EVGA because of lifetime warranty...i dont want to get a 6850 because ive seen a benchmark of the 5870 being 2-4fps faster than a GTX285 in GTA IV.
a c 376 U Graphics card
October 30, 2010 6:56:55 PM

Look up some reviews and you'll find it's the best you can buy.
a b U Graphics card
October 30, 2010 7:06:28 PM

has22fas said:
Thanks , i like the look of that card...i wanted to go EVGA because of lifetime warranty...i dont want to get a 6850 because ive seen a benchmark of the 5870 being 2-4fps faster than a GTX285 in GTA IV.


Id recommend the 2x 6850 like jyjjy suggested.
October 31, 2010 4:18:44 AM

ares1214 said:
Id recommend the 2x 6850 like jyjjy suggested.

I can pick up two Asus OC 6850's for a little cheaper then 2 OC 460's do you think it be worth it? also i don't like the fact im moving to ATI purely because of how many games favour Nvidia cards.
a c 376 U Graphics card
October 31, 2010 8:45:24 AM

Dual HD6850s or GTX 460s are very similar in performance overall. Overall means with games that favor Nvidia already taken into account which is why I recommend saving the $40-60 by going with HD6850s.
An important thing to keep in mind is that they are also both extremely powerful for your 1920x1080 resolution. You can count on one hand with a finger or 2 left over the number of games that will have average frame rate below 60 fps on either setup. Frame rates above 60 are actually useless on most monitors because they have a refresh rate of 60 which means the screen cannot physically display more than 60 frames per second.
So with either of the setups you are thinking about the vast majority of the time either your monitor or your processor is going to be what limits your frame rates, not the video cards.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2010 11:21:47 AM

has22fas said:
I can pick up two Asus OC 6850's for a little cheaper then 2 OC 460's do you think it be worth it? also i don't like the fact im moving to ATI purely because of how many games favour Nvidia cards.


Most of those games are also from when Nvidia was on top, 2 years ago about. From now until 2012 most games are supposed to be designed with AMD in mind.
October 31, 2010 11:28:36 AM

Right i think im going to pick up 2 GTX460 Zotac AMP editions they have higher clocks then most of the OC's, including the MSI Talon. And i can get it for same price as an EVGA GTX460 SC which has lower clocks. Sorry but ive had bad experiences with ATI cards.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2010 11:52:27 AM

has22fas said:
Right i think im going to pick up 2 GTX460 Zotac AMP editions they have higher clocks then most of the OC's, including the MSI Talon. And i can get it for same price as an EVGA GTX460 SC which has lower clocks. Sorry but ive had bad experiences with ATI cards.


Ive had bad with both, but if one has the better card, i buy it no matter what my experiences.
a c 620 U Graphics card
October 31, 2010 1:56:28 PM

has22fas said:
Right i think im going to pick up 2 GTX460 Zotac AMP editions they have higher clocks then most of the OC's, including the MSI Talon. And i can get it for same price as an EVGA GTX460 SC which has lower clocks. Sorry but ive had bad experiences with ATI cards.

Be careful of the extra wide coolers on the Zotac AMP. You need to have good space between your PCIe slots. I expect with that motherboard you will be fine. Don't forget that Nvidia has PhysX and the two GTX460's will be faster than two 6850's.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2010 3:48:40 PM

17seconds said:
Be careful of the extra wide coolers on the Zotac AMP. You need to have good space between your PCIe slots. I expect with that motherboard you will be fine. Don't forget that Nvidia has PhysX and the two GTX460's will be faster than two 6850's.


Physx isnt exactly a good thing, but CUDA counts as a pro id say. AMD has theirs too, finally getting some features of their own, but still lacking in the area. And wrong. 6850>460 at stock, and equal to when both are OC'ed to the max. But they are also cheaper, run cooler, use less power, hence the reason i now recommend them over the 460.
a c 620 U Graphics card
October 31, 2010 5:00:38 PM

ares1214 said:
Physx isnt exactly a good thing, but CUDA counts as a pro id say. AMD has theirs too, finally getting some features of their own, but still lacking in the area. And wrong. 6850>460 at stock, and equal to when both are OC'ed to the max. But they are also cheaper, run cooler, use less power, hence the reason i now recommend them over the 460.

PhysX is a GREAT thing if you have a game that uses it (and yes there are several that do utilize it brilliantly). As an AMD owner, you probably don't have the experience of actually playing with it enabled to comment either way.

According to this chart, the GTX 460 @ 850mhz outperforms the 6850 @ 891mhz by anywhere from 8-19% in the most common 1680 and 1920 resolutions:


The same article notes:
"if you buy a card for its efficiency, don’t expect power consumption to be anywhere near that of the reference design once you overclock it. GDDR5 in particular can draw impressive amounts of power when pushed to its limits." http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

According to this chart from the same article, the 6850 @ 891mhz runs at 75c, while the GTX460 @ 895mhz runs at 67c. Needless to say, the GTX460 is also quieter:


Overall, the 28 watt power consumption difference between a 6850 @ 891mhz and a GTX460 @ 850mhz: #1 doesn't make up for the performance difference, #2 According to guru3d.com will only amount to less then 5 Euros per year if you game for 5 days a week, 4 hours per day.
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2010 5:07:01 PM

17seconds said:
PhysX is a GREAT thing if you have a game that uses it (and yes there are several that do utilize it brilliantly). As an AMD owner, you probably don't have the experience of actually playing with it enabled to comment either way.

According to this chart, the GTX 460 @ 850mhz outperforms the 6850 @ 891mhz by anywhere from 8-19% in the most common 1680 and 1920 resolutions:
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD6800-OC/HD6800-OC-90.jpg

The same article notes:
"if you buy a card for its efficiency, don’t expect power consumption to be anywhere near that of the reference design once you overclock it. GDDR5 in particular can draw impressive amounts of power when pushed to its limits." http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

According to this chart from the same article, the 6850 @ 891mhz runs at 75c, while the GTX460 @ 895mhz runs at 67c. Needless to say, the GTX460 is also quieter:
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD6800-OC/HD6800-OC-89.jpg

Overall, the 28 watt power consumption difference between a 6850 @ 891mhz and a GTX460 @ 850mhz: #1 doesn't make up for the performance difference, #2 According to guru3d.com will only amount to less then 5 Euros per year if you game for 5 days a week, 4 hours per day.


The power consumption numbers are wrong, thats a reference 6850, so temps and such are lowed on say a DCU, and the LOWEST ive seen a 6850 get is 900 MHz, most can make it to atleast 950-1000. Physx is also not very supported, ive used it before, not like ive always had a AMD card, and it just made things unrealistic. Not useful anymore.
October 31, 2010 5:24:22 PM

17seconds said:
Be careful of the extra wide coolers on the Zotac AMP. You need to have good space between your PCIe slots. I expect with that motherboard you will be fine. Don't forget that Nvidia has PhysX and the two GTX460's will be faster than two 6850's.

Yeah i should be okay in terms of spacing...the HD6850 aint for me to be honest. GTX460 is where its at as i have a GTX275 currently, I noticed theres a big performance impact when these cards are overclocked...
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