Approximate Purchase Date: ASAP - My wife wants me to stop obsessing and just order. I think I could get her to chill for a week or so, but she wants me to order by tomorrow!
Budget Range: ~1500 Euro. Don't care too much about rebates.
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (GTA IV, Mass Effect 2, Civilization 5, Starcraft 2, Total War series, LOTR: Online, COD series), Movies/TV, Internet, Music
Parts Not Required: Speakers - I've got a set of 5.1 speakers that came with my current Dell. I'm hoping I'll be able to use them on the new machine. For reference - Dell MMS 5650 5.1 Surround System. HDD - I've got 2 Seagate 7200 HDDs at 150 and 500GB plus an external 1.5TB, so storage shouldn't be an issue. Opticals - I've got a DVD burner and an external CD burner from my old machine that should be fine.
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Unfortunately newegg doesn't deliver to Germany, so I'm using idealo.de. Great prices from what I can tell, though some of the retailers it links to are a bit dodgy so the lowest price isn't always the one to choose. Also, I've got one Amazon.de link in there because it's got a ridiculous price I can't seem to beat anywhere.
Country of Origin: Germany
Parts Preferences: Not totally committed to anything, but I'd prefer to go AMD because I don't want to get screwed in intel's imminent architecture switch. As noted in the title, I'm intrigued by Lucid's HydraLogix chip and would like to use a Mobo that incorporates it. AFAIK, there are only 2.
Overclocking: Yes. I have no experience with OC'ing, but my Mobo of choice has an automated utility for it and I'm sure the wonderful Tom's community will guide me through manual OC'ing if and when I get around to it.
SLI or Crossfire: Yes, potentially both. The idea I'm working with is starting with one AMD 6950 now, then grabbing another one when the prices come down. I'm also toying with the idea of eventually adding a cheap nVidia card as a dedicated PhyX board.
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 native. Eyefinity would be sweet down the line, but I can't afford 3 monitors ATM.
Additional Comments: After a long time away from the PC world, I'm diving back in with both feet. I posted an earlier thread with my first ideas for this build, but I've learned so much between then and now that I figured it was better to start over again with the advice process. I've built machines before, but the last time was before 2000, so literally EVERYTHING has changed. I feel brand new again. Please evaluate my build and add in anything I'm forgetting or not considering including cables, kits, etc.
Build
Case:
*Option 1 - Antec Nine Hundred Two v3 @ 113.50 Euro
*Option 2 - CoolerMaster HAF932 @ 116.43 Euro
*Option 3 - CoolerMaster Storm Sniper @ 126.77 Euro
Mobo: MSI 870A-GD60 Fuzion @ 99 Euro
CPU: Phenom II X4 955 BE C3 Box @ 127.70 Euro
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 2GB @ 255.84 Euro
PSU:
*Option 1 - BeQuiet! 700W @ 79.90 Euro
*Option 2 - Seasonic SS-750HT-F3 750W @ 102.37 Euro
*Option 3 - Seasonic X-750 750W @ 152.94 Euro
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws PC3-10666 CL-7 8GB Kit (2x4GB) @ 118.80 Euro
SSD:
*Option 1 - OCZ Vertex 2 120GB 3.5 Form @ 183.90 Euro
*Option 2 - OCZ Agility 2 120GB 3.5 Form @ 189.90 Euro
Cooling: Corsair H70 Hydro Cooling @ 81.78 Euro
Monitor:
*Option 1 - LG W2443T @ 145 Euro
*Option 2 - Iiyama ProLite E2409HDS-1 @ 172.18 Euro
*Option 3 - LG W2453V-PF @ 189 Euro
Keyboard: Merc Stealth Gaming Keyboard @ 39.95 Euro
Mouse: Logitech MX518 @ 26.33 Euro
OS: Windows 7 Home 64-bit English @ 83.49 Euro
Extra cooling: CoolerMaster Blademaster R4-BMBS-20PK-R0 120mm @ 9.95 Euro
Final Price: 1365.14 - 1501.45 Euro plus Shipping
Build Notes
I'm really torn on the 3 cases. I've heard good things about them all, I'm leaning toward the Antec purely because of price reasons, but I've also heard that the HAF932 is particularly good for water cooled systems, but I'm not sure why.
The Mobo looks sexy and seems to have everything I want, highlighted by the HydraLogix chip and 16x/16x Crossfire capability. The only thing that worries me is the RAM compatibility. I've seen in various places that it won't take PC3-12800, but some people say it can with an OC, but I don't know what kind of OC they're talking about, the board or the RAM itself.
I feel pretty good about my CPU/GPU choice. I can go to an X6 when they get cheaper and I can unlock the 6950 to a 6970 (Thanks for the heads-up Tom's!). The dual 6950(unlocked) Crossfire config should be wicked!
The PSU choices are all about price. I know Seasonic is the most trusted brand among power users, so I'll probably go that way, but I can't seem to figure out the advantage of the X series over the SS series. The X series is about 50 Euro more expensive though. The Be Quiet! unit seems to be reliable enough and it's a ridiculous bargain at 80 Euro.
Wanted to go with PC3-12800, but I've read that the performance difference isn't a big one.
Can't figure out what the difference is between the Agility and Vertex series. Price is about the same.
I want to go with liquid cooling just because it's super quiet and it makes me feel much better about OC'ing. I've heard the H70 is really good for the price and more importantly, easy to set up for water cooling newbies like me. Is it true?
All of the monitors listed are 24". Options 2 and 3 for the monitors are at about the same price point. The Iiyama came highly recommended by a German magazine, the LG came from Proximon's list of "serious gaming monitors". Option 1 saves me a nice chunk of change (40-50Euro), but I read a review that it doesn't live up to its 2ms reaction time in real use. Can anybody verify?
I need a mouse and the MX518 is an old standby. Can anybody recommend a newer model that will blow me away? I'm a finger-mover, i.e. I rest the heel of my hand on the mousepad.
I couldn't find a reason to spend more on the OS. Is there any compelling reason for a gamer to upgrade to Pro or Ultimate?
Thanks
Thanks in advance to those who read and respond to this thread. I really appreciate the help and my wife will be SO happy when I'm finally done speccing this thing.
Budget Range: ~1500 Euro. Don't care too much about rebates.
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (GTA IV, Mass Effect 2, Civilization 5, Starcraft 2, Total War series, LOTR: Online, COD series), Movies/TV, Internet, Music
Parts Not Required: Speakers - I've got a set of 5.1 speakers that came with my current Dell. I'm hoping I'll be able to use them on the new machine. For reference - Dell MMS 5650 5.1 Surround System. HDD - I've got 2 Seagate 7200 HDDs at 150 and 500GB plus an external 1.5TB, so storage shouldn't be an issue. Opticals - I've got a DVD burner and an external CD burner from my old machine that should be fine.
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Unfortunately newegg doesn't deliver to Germany, so I'm using idealo.de. Great prices from what I can tell, though some of the retailers it links to are a bit dodgy so the lowest price isn't always the one to choose. Also, I've got one Amazon.de link in there because it's got a ridiculous price I can't seem to beat anywhere.
Country of Origin: Germany
Parts Preferences: Not totally committed to anything, but I'd prefer to go AMD because I don't want to get screwed in intel's imminent architecture switch. As noted in the title, I'm intrigued by Lucid's HydraLogix chip and would like to use a Mobo that incorporates it. AFAIK, there are only 2.
Overclocking: Yes. I have no experience with OC'ing, but my Mobo of choice has an automated utility for it and I'm sure the wonderful Tom's community will guide me through manual OC'ing if and when I get around to it.
SLI or Crossfire: Yes, potentially both. The idea I'm working with is starting with one AMD 6950 now, then grabbing another one when the prices come down. I'm also toying with the idea of eventually adding a cheap nVidia card as a dedicated PhyX board.
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 native. Eyefinity would be sweet down the line, but I can't afford 3 monitors ATM.
Additional Comments: After a long time away from the PC world, I'm diving back in with both feet. I posted an earlier thread with my first ideas for this build, but I've learned so much between then and now that I figured it was better to start over again with the advice process. I've built machines before, but the last time was before 2000, so literally EVERYTHING has changed. I feel brand new again. Please evaluate my build and add in anything I'm forgetting or not considering including cables, kits, etc.
Build
Case:
*Option 1 - Antec Nine Hundred Two v3 @ 113.50 Euro
*Option 2 - CoolerMaster HAF932 @ 116.43 Euro
*Option 3 - CoolerMaster Storm Sniper @ 126.77 Euro
Mobo: MSI 870A-GD60 Fuzion @ 99 Euro
CPU: Phenom II X4 955 BE C3 Box @ 127.70 Euro
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 2GB @ 255.84 Euro
PSU:
*Option 1 - BeQuiet! 700W @ 79.90 Euro
*Option 2 - Seasonic SS-750HT-F3 750W @ 102.37 Euro
*Option 3 - Seasonic X-750 750W @ 152.94 Euro
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws PC3-10666 CL-7 8GB Kit (2x4GB) @ 118.80 Euro
SSD:
*Option 1 - OCZ Vertex 2 120GB 3.5 Form @ 183.90 Euro
*Option 2 - OCZ Agility 2 120GB 3.5 Form @ 189.90 Euro
Cooling: Corsair H70 Hydro Cooling @ 81.78 Euro
Monitor:
*Option 1 - LG W2443T @ 145 Euro
*Option 2 - Iiyama ProLite E2409HDS-1 @ 172.18 Euro
*Option 3 - LG W2453V-PF @ 189 Euro
Keyboard: Merc Stealth Gaming Keyboard @ 39.95 Euro
Mouse: Logitech MX518 @ 26.33 Euro
OS: Windows 7 Home 64-bit English @ 83.49 Euro
Extra cooling: CoolerMaster Blademaster R4-BMBS-20PK-R0 120mm @ 9.95 Euro
Final Price: 1365.14 - 1501.45 Euro plus Shipping
Build Notes
I'm really torn on the 3 cases. I've heard good things about them all, I'm leaning toward the Antec purely because of price reasons, but I've also heard that the HAF932 is particularly good for water cooled systems, but I'm not sure why.
The Mobo looks sexy and seems to have everything I want, highlighted by the HydraLogix chip and 16x/16x Crossfire capability. The only thing that worries me is the RAM compatibility. I've seen in various places that it won't take PC3-12800, but some people say it can with an OC, but I don't know what kind of OC they're talking about, the board or the RAM itself.
I feel pretty good about my CPU/GPU choice. I can go to an X6 when they get cheaper and I can unlock the 6950 to a 6970 (Thanks for the heads-up Tom's!). The dual 6950(unlocked) Crossfire config should be wicked!
The PSU choices are all about price. I know Seasonic is the most trusted brand among power users, so I'll probably go that way, but I can't seem to figure out the advantage of the X series over the SS series. The X series is about 50 Euro more expensive though. The Be Quiet! unit seems to be reliable enough and it's a ridiculous bargain at 80 Euro.
Wanted to go with PC3-12800, but I've read that the performance difference isn't a big one.
Can't figure out what the difference is between the Agility and Vertex series. Price is about the same.
I want to go with liquid cooling just because it's super quiet and it makes me feel much better about OC'ing. I've heard the H70 is really good for the price and more importantly, easy to set up for water cooling newbies like me. Is it true?
All of the monitors listed are 24". Options 2 and 3 for the monitors are at about the same price point. The Iiyama came highly recommended by a German magazine, the LG came from Proximon's list of "serious gaming monitors". Option 1 saves me a nice chunk of change (40-50Euro), but I read a review that it doesn't live up to its 2ms reaction time in real use. Can anybody verify?
I need a mouse and the MX518 is an old standby. Can anybody recommend a newer model that will blow me away? I'm a finger-mover, i.e. I rest the heel of my hand on the mousepad.
I couldn't find a reason to spend more on the OS. Is there any compelling reason for a gamer to upgrade to Pro or Ultimate?
Thanks
Thanks in advance to those who read and respond to this thread. I really appreciate the help and my wife will be SO happy when I'm finally done speccing this thing.