Phenom 955 or i3 2100?
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cdem
March 26, 2011 11:13:18 AM
Purpose of build is 3d modelling software (Maya).
I'm looking at the Phenom II x4 955 or the i3 2100. Both are similarly priced, if push came to shove an i5 is a possibility but it would have to be very much worthwhile in terms of software performance to convince me.
What say ye?
I'm looking at the Phenom II x4 955 or the i3 2100. Both are similarly priced, if push came to shove an i5 is a possibility but it would have to be very much worthwhile in terms of software performance to convince me.
What say ye?
More about : phenom 955 2100
They are very close see http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289&i=2.3.... If you are overclocking the get the 955, the i5 2500 is around twice as good see http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=289&i=2.3...
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cdem
March 26, 2011 12:33:37 PM
I won't be overclocking btw. But they are almost too close to call...dang! the i5 is tempting but do i spend the extra dough for it now or wait!?...hmmm
Edit: I'm heavily leaning towards the i3. The i5 is too much at the moment, nearly twice as much as the i3. Depending on memory prices I'll have 4/6gb to accompany the CPU so I should hopefully not be faced with any performance problems. And then an upgrade to the i5 or i7 if need be in future is available.
Now onto the motherboard.
Edit: I'm heavily leaning towards the i3. The i5 is too much at the moment, nearly twice as much as the i3. Depending on memory prices I'll have 4/6gb to accompany the CPU so I should hopefully not be faced with any performance problems. And then an upgrade to the i5 or i7 if need be in future is available.
Now onto the motherboard.
cdem
March 26, 2011 12:57:35 PM
I've just come across this build on EBay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intel-i5-2500K-Quad-core-4GB-HD-3...
RE: 955 motherboards. I had a quick look earlier at prices whilst reading a motherboard page here, the 955 were around £100, give or take10-15, but then the h67 for Intel were also similarly priced...
Edit: Second thoughts on that link. I think it only has onboard graphics so I would still have to fork out for a GPU...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intel-i5-2500K-Quad-core-4GB-HD-3...
RE: 955 motherboards. I had a quick look earlier at prices whilst reading a motherboard page here, the 955 were around £100, give or take10-15, but then the h67 for Intel were also similarly priced...
Edit: Second thoughts on that link. I think it only has onboard graphics so I would still have to fork out for a GPU...
AMD boards that can take a 955BE start at just over £30 see http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&sort=pricelow&limit...
lccc37
March 26, 2011 1:31:48 PM
cdem
March 26, 2011 1:43:32 PM
Cheers for bringing those prices to my attention Simon, I'll have to go through some threads on the mobo forum before I know what I'm after, they're probably the most confusing of all.
@lcc37: Does the fact that I won't be overclocking change much?
Also, aren't PCI-E slots for the GPU? And I'll only have one of those anyway...but if the AM3 is just better in performance rather than features then I'll have to keep it in mind.
I might just plan along 3 routes: i3, Phenom 955, and an i5. And do a final evaluation at the end, the i3 and Phenom are really close and the money saved on the Phenom would edge it. But depending on how much an i5 rig would come to and because it seems to be significantly better it is still in with a shout.
@lcc37: Does the fact that I won't be overclocking change much?
Also, aren't PCI-E slots for the GPU? And I'll only have one of those anyway...but if the AM3 is just better in performance rather than features then I'll have to keep it in mind.
I might just plan along 3 routes: i3, Phenom 955, and an i5. And do a final evaluation at the end, the i3 and Phenom are really close and the money saved on the Phenom would edge it. But depending on how much an i5 rig would come to and because it seems to be significantly better it is still in with a shout.
cdem
March 26, 2011 8:36:56 PM
cdem
March 27, 2011 10:53:46 AM
proton9
March 27, 2011 10:59:09 AM
cdem
March 27, 2011 11:20:47 AM
proton9
March 27, 2011 11:34:23 AM
abdussamad
March 27, 2011 11:53:05 AM
cdem
March 27, 2011 5:57:36 PM
soloby
March 27, 2011 10:00:04 PM
cdem
March 28, 2011 9:12:31 AM
soloby
March 28, 2011 1:50:33 PM
cdem
March 28, 2011 2:42:23 PM
cdem said:
Purpose of build is 3d modelling software (Maya). I'm looking at the Phenom II x4 955 or the i3 2100. Both are similarly priced, if push came to shove an i5 is a possibility but it would have to be very much worthwhile in terms of software performance to convince me.
What say ye?
I suspect you should be more concerned with your video sub-system as opposed to your CPU.
cdem
March 29, 2011 9:16:08 AM
cdem said:
wisecracker, I'm under the impression that I'll find the greater performance via the CPU and RAM as opposed to the GPU, either way i'm looking at an i5 and a gtx460. so hopefully I'll get performance from these.Without stirring up the THG CPU Hornet's Nest, your processor is not going to make a huge difference. It may partially impact your final render if you sit around and watch your computer while it works to output your final product. It doesn't sound as if you will be out-putting huge scenes at this point, anyway, so I would still consider it a secondary issue. If you go with AMD be certain to purchase a 'black socket' which will support AM3+ processors.
The GPU is far more important as you build your scene(s) due to re-gens in your view-ports. Your 460 should be okay but there seem to be a good many 'less than positive' reviews of Fermi and OpenGL. Give it a Google. ATI/AMD has upped their 'game' in OGL (or nVidia is 'firing blanks' on desktop cards). Some have speculated this was intentional by nVidia to move folks to Quadro cards (which seem to have much better performance in OpenGL).
ATI/AMD is not without detractors. Folks complain about object selection but this seems to be based upon those who have soft-modded desktop cards into FirePro/FireGL workstation cards.
cdem
March 29, 2011 11:31:51 AM
cdem said:
so, would i be best off dropping down to an i3 and putting that extra cash into a better GPU?i'll probably stick with an intel + nvidia combo.
I don't think you will go wrong either way AMD/Intel/ATI/nVidia --- and instead of 'better' GPU, I would say 'right' GPU. OpenGL is in a bit of resurgence (and though not really related, OpenCL is gaining relevance). The reasons are far more complex than you will find here. Folks are tending away from D3D, CUDA and any other proprietary stuff -- but this tends to ebb and flow as new versions/drivers become available. Example: An earlier version may be more robust for your intentions when operating with the 'best' working drivers/application accelerators.
The bottom line is 3 years ago folks were dancing on the grave of OpenGL and the tide has turned. You may well find that a GTX 2XX in OGL will perform on par with GTX 4xx & 5xx.
Bottom Line #2: It's the OPERATOR working with the hardware, with an explicit understanding of the software. There is no hardware that will overcome a lack of understanding/ability in the z-plane. Some folks get it 'spatially' and some folks just don't.
cdem
March 30, 2011 9:47:17 AM
XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870 1GB : $170 after rebate
Don't know how that compares in price to your 460 but should be quite snappy in OpenGL. That price is good through 3/31.
Don't know how that compares in price to your 460 but should be quite snappy in OpenGL. That price is good through 3/31.
cdem
March 30, 2011 1:49:21 PM
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