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March 29, 2011 9:06:48 AM

I'm running (for the last 4 years):

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13Gb (266x8) [overclocked to 336x8, 2.68Gb on stock cooler)
Asus P5W DH Deluxe (LGA 775)(Intel975x) motherboard
2 x 1Gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 (PC2-6400)
700W Thermaltake power supply
WinXP

Does it make any sense to upgrade this CPU? Or should I just run what I got until I do a whole new build?

Has anybody somewhat recently upgraded on a 775 board and how do you now feel about that decision?

Cost is an issue. I'm assuming a used CPU can be found on eBay for well under retail. What upgrade CPUs would be the best value and offer a decent improvment?

What issues are there with running a 45nm CPU on this motherboard vs. a 65nm one?

Any thoughts, ideas, or recommendations?
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March 29, 2011 9:26:27 AM

It does make sense for you to both upgrade your cpu and your RAM,

For your CPU i would get on ebay and see if you can get yourself a nice quad core, you can still of course buy these new but they are expensive, the 45nm ones run cooler than the 65nm so make better overclockers generally.

The next step is to buy another 2 x 1Gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 (PC2-6400), to increase your system ram to 4gb.

Upgrading these will give you a noticable system boost.

CPU upgrades

Intel CPU Q8300 Core 2 Quad Processor = http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-2-quad-q8300-... still available for £100

Intel CPU Q8400 Core 2 Quad Processor = http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-2-quad-q8400-... still available for £116

So get yourself the Q8400 and a Titan Fenrir after market cooler and Overclock your chip to 3GHZ
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March 29, 2011 11:06:27 AM

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What issues are there with running a 45nm CPU on this motherboard vs. a 65nm one?
You should read the FAQ at http://support.asus.com/Search.aspx?SLanguage=en&keywor...

As mentioned in the FAQ:

Due to chipset limitation, i975X chipset is not able to support all the features of 45nm CPU. The following is a list of the limitations:
1. VT function does not work.
2. The maximum FSB is capped at 1066MHz.
3. 0.5 CPU multiplier is not supported.
4. L2 cache size is not recognized correctly. However L2 cache is still functioning.

You probably should not buy a Q8300 (7.5 multiplier).
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March 29, 2011 1:15:07 PM

Q6600 used
aftermarket cooler
oc the Q6600 to 3.2
two more gigs of ram
can possibly all be done for under $200 USD

Possibly Graphics Card upgrade?
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April 2, 2011 9:37:24 AM

Thanks for your replies. GhislainG, I was having difficulty finding that Asus FAQ so thanks for the link.
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April 3, 2011 3:16:54 AM

"what's your buget"

The reality is that my budget is the absolute least amount that I can spend to give me a certain level of satisfaction. So ... I don't know. I'm poor but I like feeling like I have a nice computer. Other things also compete for my limited dollars.

Since this discussion was started, I think the CCFL inverter on my monitor is going bad. (The monitor is older than the rest of the system.) I'm looking into a new 1920x1200 monitor. I can't understand how most people think that 1080 vertical resolution is just great. I've been running at 1280x1024 and have always wished for more height, not more width.

I'm also looking into a new video card because my x1950xt is getting achient by modern standards and a bigger monitor will drag it down. It has been good to me but I'd like to try Crysis2 and that card just won't work.

I also tried pushing the overclock on my E6400. I haven't tried in years. I hit 2.8 Ghz (350x8) real easy. I don't know what I was doing wrong before, but I guess 2.6 was mild.

I also found that I can get the same two memory sticks, that cost me $234 four years ago, for $37. It might make sense to double my RAM.

Any comment would be greatly welcome.
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April 3, 2011 4:45:17 AM

4gb ddr2-800 dual channel matching pairs if possible
Good aftermarket cooler so you can get better OC
that cpu should go higher
3.0ghz easy on good air
E6400 were Ovr Clocker favorites "Back in the DaY"
Just google "overclocking E6400"
pages and pages
Spend your main money of GPU
That will carry over to new build
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April 3, 2011 4:52:50 AM

I just got a Q9450 for 155 after shipping on ebay. I've OC'd it to 3.4 super hot, 3.26 super cool. Considering I'm running a GTX 560, overclocked extremely high... it is perfect. Best 775 setup for the money, for sure.

Sandy and core i processors are not worth the upgrade with a single (even high end) graphics processor. The performance in video games (and some other applications) are identical in the aggregate, clock for clock. Unless you plan to run GTX 570 in SLi, do not worry about upgrading to a new chipset/socket.


I'd recommend looking for the best Q9xxx series deal on ebay or craigslist. A Q9400 can be found for like 140. And yes, get another 2 gigs of RAM. If you want to overclock, you can get a hyper 212+ or freezer 7 pro rev 2 for ~30 dollars... though you should get a better cooler for 15 bucks more. Might be over 200, but undoubtedly less than 220.

Don't get a Q6xxx series. Too hot and too much power.
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April 3, 2011 2:52:28 PM

I agree. I wouldn't throw any money into LGA775 at this point. Run what you got and save until you can build a SB computer. The good news is that you can go with z68 if you wait....
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April 4, 2011 12:07:54 AM

majin ssj eric said:
I agree. I wouldn't throw any money into LGA775 at this point. Run what you got and save until you can build a SB computer. The good news is that you can go with z68 if you wait....


Why a waste?! As far as gaming is concerned there is no difference (clock for clock) in the aggregate of any quad core chips when using any single gpu configuration. An i7 with an hd 5870 will effectually perform identically to a q9300 and 5870, when they run at the same clock speed. One chip will have 4 more fps in Dirt 2, the other 7 more fps in Call of Juarez... during a single benchmark.

If you're going to spend 700 dollars (or more) on graphics processing alone, it becomes a different argument. 775 is only dead if you can afford to build something that takes advantage of the next generation... yet there will always be a next generation.

So what I'm saying is you'd be better off taking money and investing it in your new build in 20 years. Don't even own a computer right now. Terrible waste of money. :sarcastic: 


Belker, get a Q9xxx for under 150 and sell your old one for 50. The improvement you'll see in Batman AA and BC2 is dramatic. If you're ready for a new computer, simply sell everything and buy everything again... though you wouldn't see much difference unless using, for example, 2 GTX 560's and up.
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April 4, 2011 2:37:35 AM

Play nice guys

Both of you have valid points

Mal - if the cost of upgrading LGA775 can get you into a SandyBridge setup then it makes no sense

Romeka - if upgrading LGA775 to high end Quadcore is done cheaply (sell old cpu off too) then that is a good idea since a Q9xxx is still very viable especially OCd
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April 4, 2011 4:00:32 AM

my .02 cents, its better at this point to suck it up and deal with crappy framerates while you save up for a more modern system, theres more the the 1155 platform then just clock speed. its a whole different ballgame then 775
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April 4, 2011 4:02:31 AM

:lol: 

When playing Crysis (for example), clock for clock, there is no difference when using a GTX 570 (for example) and any quad core processor currently available for consumer purchase. None... whatsoever.

I'm not frustrated... because I didn't spend 700 dollars to get 8 extra frames... in a few games... that I was already getting over 60 fps in. I spent 90 dollars to get 7 extra frames.


:sarcastic: 


I'm simply telling belker "the absolute least amount" he can spend for the best performance currently available. This is not my, or rather, an opinion.

If he wants to buy 2 dual graphics processing units, by all means he should buy a sandy bridge and entirely new computer as well. It is rather difficult to spend "the least amount," however, when you're buying a whole new computer. I would not be, or rather, am not recommending he buy a 775 chip unless it is dramatically reduced in price, and he plans to use a single graphics processing unit configuration.

I don't know why you'd suggest I'm frustrated. I'm just confused as to how spending 100 dollars for a significant upgrade in processing power (for example) is more of a waste than spending 400 dollars for a new chipset/computer (for example) when you won't see much (if any) performance gain unless you were to spend at least another 500 dollars for graphics cards. :??: 


My point is you, or rather, he would have to buy a lot of new parts to see a significant improvement over a quad 775. Of course an i7 is "better" than a core 2 quad, but future proofing and synthetic benchmarks are irrelevant. 1155 came out the day they announced 2011 is coming in 9 months... so why not just put up with minimum settings in BF3 and save for the chip after 2011 for BF4?


Speaking of that, where are them 2011 sockets anyway? I want one. Who wants to buy my computer? I need to save up now.
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April 4, 2011 4:11:35 AM

Romeka Bonaface said:
:lol: 

When playing Crysis (for example), clock for clock, there is no difference when using a GTX 570 (for example) and any quad core processor currently available for consumer purchase. None... whatsoever.

I'm not frustrated... because I didn't spend 700 dollars to get 8 extra frames... in a few games... that I was already getting over 60 fps in. I spent 90 dollars to get 7 extra frames.


:sarcastic: 


I'm simply telling belker "the absolute least amount" he can spend for the best performance currently available. This is not my, or rather, an opinion.

If he wants to buy 2 dual graphics processing units, by all means he should buy a sandy bridge and entirely new computer as well. It is rather difficult to spend "the least amount," however, when you're buying a whole new computer. I would not be, or rather, am not recommending he buy a 775 chip unless it is dramatically reduced in price, and he plans to use a single graphics processing unit configuration.

I don't know why you'd suggest I'm frustrated. I'm just confused as to how spending 100 dollars for a significant upgrade in processing power (for example) is more of a waste than spending 400 dollars for a new chipset/computer (for example) when you won't see much (if any) performance gain unless you were to spend at least another 500 dollars for graphics cards. :??: 


My point is you, or rather, he would have to buy a lot of new parts to see a significant improvement over a quad 775. Of course an i7 is "better" than a core 2 quad, but future proofing and synthetic benchmarks are irrelevant. 1155 came out the day they announced 2011 is coming in 9 months... so why not just put up with minimum settings in BF3 and save for the chip after 2011 for BF4?


Speaking of that, where are them 2011 sockets anyway? I want one. Who wants to buy my computer? I need to save up now.


there might not be a difference in crysis 2 (tho when you think about it, what system cant run crysis 2...), however there are big differences in other games that are CPU bound (starcraft 2, WOT, WoW, RIFT, APB:R, COD:BO, ect. ect.).
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April 4, 2011 4:10:29 PM

I have a 775 mobo. Pricing a new chip to up grade yours, you could get a E6800 Wolfdale chip( appx 100.00) and more ram. spending another 70.00 will get you an E8400@3.0 that you could OC. But price with more ram is then up to 200.00.. Hit Portatech.com they will give you pricing and basic PassMark speed info for comparison. Another thought, download Software Sandra or PassMark. Run the app and compare your machine to other baselines to help you decide where you want to be. You may decide to keep your cpu and upgrade your mem and gpu. Also download 3dMark to test your video. Test and compare. From what I've seen it is not worth upgrading to a more expensive chip on a 775 if you also need to buy more mem. I would love to up grade my c2duo also, but no money at this time. AMD 4 core Propus chip and mobo is what I might go with as I am not looking to break the bank.
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April 4, 2011 4:49:09 PM

Selective upgrade is an option.
But pick parts than will transfer to a new system (Except memory as this will need to be DDR3 for new system).

Still have my E6400 as my backup computer. Have 2 pair Raid0 HDDs (One for Xp, on for Vista).

I'd go for a upgrade on the cheap until you can afford the "New" system.
(1) The E6400's should be good/easy to hit 3.2. I had no problem and back in its hay days many other posters were hitting that. May need a $30 HSF (I'm using the Zalman 9500 (better ones are cheaper, got mine on sale from COMPUSA). For the HSF, Buy one that you can mover over to new system (ie for SB 2500k CPU - So not a waste.

(2) fo for the 4 gigs of ram even if running 32 bit operating system. - 2 gigs is to small. Need to buy same Ram as you already have, or just buy 2 x 2 gig - Better for OCing.

1+ 2 approx $70 ($90 if buying 2 x 2 Ram), but if you buy the right HSF it is really only costing you the price of the memory in the long run.

(3) did not catch the GPU. For gaming the GPU is very important. Upgrading this may not be worth it unless you can find one that would give you exceptable performance on your new build. The problem is I think the best you could goto is pcie express 2.0 as boards for 2.1 may not work in current system. Picking the right Video card upgrade could save on your initial "Buy" of a SB computer and then at a later date upgrade the video card. (ATI HD57xx for $120 -> $150).

I'm a intel guy (not really a fanboy) so if you want sub SB 2500K with amd whatever.

Added:
Cost of new system, reusing what you can
CPU ($200) + MB (100 -> 150 -> 200 depending on features) + Memory ( Approx $45 for 2 x 2 Gigs DDR3-1600 CL9)
Win 7 upgrade (approx $100)
Min = Approx $500 + GPU at least $150
PS (you have High enough wattage, just not sure of Brand and if you want to go with 4 yr old PSU) If new approx $50->75.

Reuse
Case ??
HDD and DVD drives.

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April 4, 2011 8:00:04 PM

you can get 8 gigs of DDR3 1600 CAS 9 with lifetime warrenty for 75 bucks on newegg.com atm.
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April 4, 2011 8:14:15 PM

fatsoferret said:
you can get 8 gigs of DDR3 1600 CAS 9 with lifetime warrenty for 75 bucks on newegg.com atm.

His mobo is DDR2 and he looking for an upgrade not a DDR3 mobo plus new chip and DDR3 mem.
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April 4, 2011 8:45:14 PM

mw14220 said:
His mobo is DDR2 and he looking for an upgrade not a DDR3 mobo plus new chip and DDR3 mem.


i was referring to RetiredChief's post stating that you can get 4 gigs of DDR31600 for 100 bucks. the prices of memory are at a low right now so its actually cheaper then he stated.
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April 5, 2011 2:45:14 AM

RetiredChief said:
The problem is I think the best you could goto is pcie express 2.0 as boards for 2.1 may not work in current system. Picking the right Video card upgrade could save on your initial "Buy" of a SB computer and then at a later date upgrade the video card.

I was under the impression that all PCIe 2.1 x16 video cards were backwards compatible with PCIe 2.0 x16 slots. Is this correct?
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April 5, 2011 5:14:51 AM

you gotta love some of the replies on here.
a fresh build would cost the guy in excess of $1500/£1000 for not a great deal of gaming performance over a c2q. (DEPENDING ON GPU SETUP)
fair enough if he's doing productivity but if its just for games then spending $150 or £100 moving over to a quad isnt gonna break the bank and will give a healthy boost in performance over what he has.
its all well and good saying that he should go for a sandy but the harsh reality is that not every 1 can afford 1 and they are pretty pointless if the rest of the system isnt up to scratch too...

basically what im getting at is if a user has a gtx 460 and buys a c2q he will get pretty much the same gaming performance as a gtx460 system with a sandy 2500k in it. but the sandy will cost x4 to get up and running

as long as the xbox 360 and playstation 3 have there market share, then the core 2 quad will still be a relevant part for budget gaming at least.

yes a sandy would be nice to have but there not the gaming killers that some would make them out to be, especially on low-midrange gaming platforms.

personally i would rather buy a decent core 2 quad, with an sli setup for the same price as a sandy 2500k and a single card setup. the c2q in this situation will give more gaming performance and will still be relevant for at least 2 more years.

oh! and b4 you guys cry foul. dont blame me, blame the console owners...
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April 5, 2011 2:04:28 PM

@ fatsoferret Your correct, edited it to $45 for 2 x 2 DDR3-1600 CL 9)

@ Belker I could be mistaken but his MB may be PCIE version 1) (looked at MB manual and was not listed). and some version 2.1 GPU cards have problems with ver 1 slots. You are correct Version 2.1 cards not a problem if slot is version 2.0.

@ HEXit - I do agree the upgrade option is the best choice, based on need and budget. Not sure I would go to the C2Q as this money would be "down the Toilet" when he does go for the new system.
There are more compeling reasons for a "New" system than just FPS such as USB 3 support, Sata 6 support PCIe 2.1 support( possibly ver 3 support downstream ect.
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The cost of a new SB system is very dependent on what can/is carried over from old system. Case in point - My cost for a new SB system will be ONLY approx $450, Just waiting on New Z series MBs - Already priced out. This is because I can carry over much of my "Old" System, the only thing I need to buy is CPU ($200), MB ($200), and a After market HSF ($50). Latter on I'll upgrade my GPU which I'll limit to $150. (Prices in USD)
The OP should be able to go with a SB system for CPU + MB + Memory + win 7 for Approx $500. Add to this a GPU for $150 if he goes for new system vs upgrade. But if he goes upgrade and buys a good GPU then this would carry over to SB build.
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April 5, 2011 2:15:45 PM

fatsoferret said:
i was referring to RetiredChief's post stating that you can get 4 gigs of DDR31600 for 100 bucks. the prices of memory are at a low right now so its actually cheaper then he stated.

I stand corrected.
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April 5, 2011 2:23:52 PM

RetiredChief said:
@ fatsoferret Your correct, edited it to $45 for 2 x 2 DDR3-1600 CL 9)

@ Belker I could be mistaken but his MB may be PCIE version 1) (looked at MB manual and was not listed). and some version 2.1 GPU cards have problems with ver 1 slots. You are correct Version 2.1 cards not a problem if slot is version 2.0.

On a 975X chipset motherboard, the PCIe slots are version 1.1.
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April 5, 2011 5:51:58 PM

mw14220 said:
I stand corrected.


no worries man :) 

i still think he should save up and just get a SB, upgrading a 775 socket is mute unless your butchering a computer you already have to do it.
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April 6, 2011 12:05:19 PM

Another question concerning the upgrade of a 4 year old system, if I had

C2D E6400 overclocked to 2.8+Ghz
Asus P5W DH Deluxe (LGA775-975x) motherboard
4Gb DDR2-800

then what is the fastest video card that makes sense?
(probably staying with ATI/AMD card)

And, when does it ever make sense to buy a video card that is bottlenecked?
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April 6, 2011 12:49:11 PM

When does it make sense:
Spending 100 -> Ouch dollars on a video card that would be bottlenecked by the rest of your system only makes since if you can (and be happy with performance) carry it over to new system, and New sytem will be bought with-in a year.

Options range from the "Ouch" $560 for a 5870, 2 Gig card, to the ATI 5770 @ $120.
Remember stay with PCI-E Ver 2.0 (may have problems with 2.1).
Best option is:
Buy a ATI 5770 (their are both Versions 2.0 and 2.1 out there). This would be $120 currently @ Newegg). This card is more off a midrange card that seems popular. When you do upgrade your system, and if you find you would like to improve performance you could buy a 2nd one and xfire them - Make sure the new MB will allow for Xfire.
Here is a link to the performance to compare against other cards and your current card.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
Link to 5770, $20 off ends 04/10:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I only used ATI per your preference (Which is also mine), but there are the "N" cards also. The same comments apply - Stay with 2.0 and keep in mind that you can always buy a 2nd and go with SLI when you do get around to buying new system.

Bear in mind, if your system is 4 years old, I would NOT invest more than $100 to upgrade, not counting the video card which you can carry over. I have 1 computer that I still use that is about 7->8 years old and I am using 3 computers @ work that are about 10 years old - BUT the probability of a failure goes up as you pass the 4/5 year point.
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April 6, 2011 10:52:47 PM

fatsoferret said:
there might not be a difference in crysis 2 (tho when you think about it, what system cant run crysis 2...), however there are big differences in other games that are CPU bound (starcraft 2, WOT, WoW, RIFT, APB:R, COD:BO, ect. ect.).


Crysis, not Crysis 2.

Starcraft and supreme commander, yeah. Black Ops and World in Conflict, no. And APB:R is not out. I don't even know if APB is still a game.



If your board can handle it, an HD 6950 is ~220 after rebate.
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April 6, 2011 11:51:34 PM

APB:R is in closed beta (im a tester :)  ), and aye 6950 is good.
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April 7, 2011 1:02:35 AM

yeah its good but way to much for his current cpu.
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April 7, 2011 1:58:00 AM

HD 6950 is Good choice to get now and move to new build later
especially if the OP gets a decent cooler and OCs his current C2D to 3 ghz or higher
if possible
a year or two from now the HD 6950 with OCing will still be a very viable GPU
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April 7, 2011 2:35:18 AM

I believe all 6xxx gpus are pci-e ver 2.1. There was a post recently that talked about problems using ver 2.1 GPU in a pci-e ver 1.1 slot (I know, suppost to be backward compatable - not always totally true.)

I think Belker's MB is ver 1.1, and if so he needs to verify that a 2.1 gpu card will infact work in HIS MB.
Ref: GhislainG's post
"On a 975X chipset motherboard, the PCIe slots are version 1.1."
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April 7, 2011 12:22:58 PM

My MB (P5W DH Deluxe) definately has pcie v1.1 slots. So far, I can't find evidence of anyone using a 69xx card on this MB. People are using older cards but they seem to come in both 2.0 and 2.1 versions. It seems that a 6870 is the newest card for 2.0 slots (& 5870 too expensive for me).

Originally, I was thinking of getting a 6950 card but you guys pointed out (thank you) that this might not work on my machine. I'm still temped to get a new card because my 256MB video card is starting to limit which games I can play. My X1950XT has been doing pretty decent at 1280x1024 and lower-mid settings. Now that I'm going to switch to a 1920x1200 monitor I think this card will probably choke.

Will a v2.0 card have a very high probability of working in a v1.1 slot?

Thank you, everyone, for contributing to this discussion, especially since many of my questions don't have a straight-forward correct answer.
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April 7, 2011 12:27:56 PM

Yes.

Did you look at the link for the 5770 performance I provided. It is not as high as the 68xx or 69xx, But probably a larg boost from you current card. You will also be able to transport this to a new SB system at a later date, and the if needed you could buy a 2nd and xfire them, or buy a single better card.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-tes...
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April 7, 2011 4:11:43 PM

RetiredChief, a 5770 is definately under consideration and I think it is a good recommendation. I did read your link, and many other reviews of various cards. I printed out a copy of TH "Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart" and find it quite helpful in how it ranks cards into tiers. A 5770 would be a 9 tier jump for me. If I spent twice as much I would only jump up about 2.5 more tiers.

Part of my internal debate is buy a cheaper card now and replace it sooner, or buy a better card now and keep it longer, or somewhere in between. I've got to admit that I'm bad at making decisions and often spend time trying to find more information than is actually needed to make the decision.
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April 7, 2011 4:28:24 PM

Did you note that 2 x 5770's in xfire is almost equiv to a 5850. So if you bought one now and you feel you need faster then a 2nd one could be purchased later. I think this might be a better option than buying a lower end card, then replacing it with a higher end card later - Tough call, I'm not in to games.
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April 8, 2011 12:03:24 PM

Best answer selected by Belker.
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April 8, 2011 12:44:20 PM

This thread took a few twists but was helpful. Thanks to all for your responses.

The final conclusion, at this time, is that I purchased the following items to "upgrade" my computer:

2 Gb DDR2-800 ram (bringing my total to 4 Gb)

HP LA2405WG 24" 1920x1200 monitor (to replace a, most likely failing, 1280x1024 6+ year old monitor) (budget & wide-gamut concerns kept me out of a IPS panel)

Sapphire 5770 1Gb (pci-e v2.0) (to replace my 256mb X1950XT)

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (I already have one, but it's almost full. Price per Gb better than good blank DVDs for some of my storage needs)

Windows 7 (I already had a disk given to me. I'm going to try a dual boot config, for now, even though I will eventually be forced to abandon XP.)

I spent $500 (which is more than I wanted) but will be at a better starting point for my next mb-cpu-mem upgrade. I'm still going to keep an eye out for a C2Q but decided to be very patient in order to find a super good deal. I hoping to eventually turn my leftover pile into a dedicated HTPC.
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April 8, 2011 12:57:03 PM

ENJOY
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